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30-09-2018, 09:57   #46
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It's not the end of #metoo. It is showing the world, yet again, what a seething, corrupt cesspit the American political system is. It's yet another low.
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Some people WERE claiming he was hysterical. Alyssa Milano for one. She was behind him taking snaps on her mobile. She also implied his hysterics made him less credible.
So?
As I've said if it was a women crying that much they'd be claiming she was hysterical too.

As for her taking snaps on her mobile, unless its illegal to do so I'm not seeing the relevance here.
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I saw him struggle to remain composed, I saw no hysteria. This person has been accused of molestation, facilitating gang rape and suggestions of paedophilia have been thrown into the mix for good measure. His family have been vilified and received death threats. He was attempting to defend himself not only before the senate but also knowing a huge national and international audience would witness him trying to defend himself against accusations that are as low as one can be accused of. I didn't begrudge him his emotions. It's of zero consequence to me who is appointed, I'm only going by what I saw in that testimony.

Eh, same goes for Ms. Ford. Her life has also been turned upside down and for what? So she can lie under oath about an alleged sexual assault in her teens? What benefit is she getting from making these accusations?
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Ridiculous post. Of course people are allowed have an opinion of an issue where the arguments are being unveiled before our eyes, it'd be weirder not to given the entire process is being held in public for that exact reason. Same reason they do public debates ahead of elections. Some people get so weird and touchy about sexual cases and start spewing crap like "You're not allowed think things or you're stupid!! If you didn't SEE the sexual assault how do you know?!"

I wasn't with OJ Simpson the night his wife got murdered, but I have thoughts about that too, as does everyone and their mother. You probably do too. The only difference with that and this is there's a sexual assault component here and that's making you weird and say things that just aren't true.
This oj nonsense again. They real difference there is.. there was OVERWHELMING evidence of his guilt.

This is literally he said, she said.
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You can have your own private thoughts on the matter but when #ibelieveher starts trending on twatter, that's dangerous.
While there was no twitter in 1991, it was pretty clear that most believed Anita Hill at the time and it directly affected senate elections the following year. So this isn't really new, the intent of the GOP was for the hearing to be a show, they didn't ever intend for the allegations to face an investigation. It backfired on them and the likes #ibelieveher probably substantially impacted it to the point where now an investigation is actually occurring.
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His very partisan rant made him unfit for the role. I don't know who to believe but when a potential supreme judge goes on party political speech about Trump then it makes a mockery out of separation of executive and judicial system.
The whole exercise has been completely partisan. Chuck Schumer said just as Brett Kavanaugh was announced as the nominee he would oppose him with every fibre in his body.

Its not normal for Supreme Court nominee's to be passed with a slim majority. Most of the time they're passed with 60 or 70 senate votes with huge bipartisan majorities.

Neil Gorsuch, despite having nothing bad about his character, barely squeaked past with only 54 votes and the GOP had to actually remove the 60 vote threshold filibuster in order to get him confirmed given the overwhelming opposition by democrats.

Now a lot of this is due to Republicans pathetic obstruction to Merrick Garland and democrats justifiably wanting revenge, but he's not wrong to point out that a lot of opposition against him is cynically partisan.
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Ridiculous post. Of course people are allowed have an opinion of an issue where the arguments are being unveiled before our eyes, it'd be weirder not to given the entire process is being held in public for that exact reason. Same reason they do public debates ahead of elections. Some people get so weird and touchy about sexual cases and start spewing crap like "You're not allowed think things or you're stupid!! If you didn't SEE the sexual assault how do you know?!"

I wasn't with OJ Simpson the night his wife got murdered, but I have thoughts about that too, as does everyone and their mother. You probably do too. The only difference with that and this is there's a sexual assault component here and that's making you weird and say things that just aren't true.
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I've struggled for a few minutes now to think of a reply to this. Pointless.
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Eh, same goes for Ms. Ford. Her life has also been turned upside down and for what? So she can lie under oath about an alleged sexual assault in her teens? What benefit is she getting from making these accusations?
the suggestion is that this is purely political ie Ms Ford does not benefit personally but it's a win for the democratic party.
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This oj nonsense again. They real difference there is.. there was OVERWHELMING evidence of his guilt.

This is literally he said, she said.

Most of the time, that's all you've got to go on in sexual assault cases, no?
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I didn’t watch this - American politics is a clown show - but whatever outrage is there is partisan, after all Bill Clinton is loved by the democrats. Of course the outrage over Clinton was also party driven.
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Most of the time, that's all you've got to go on in sexual assault cases, no?
Yes, but we shouldn't believe one or the other. Asking questions like "what has she got to loose" is silly. People make stuff up all the time, often for inexplicable reasons. Let the Courts do their job. We are not all legal experts.
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Most of the time, that's all you've got to go on in sexual assault cases, no?
yes but sexual assault cases usually get thrashed out in a court with a judge and jury
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Eh, same goes for Ms. Ford. Her life has also been turned upside down and for what? So she can lie under oath about an alleged sexual assault in her teens? What benefit is she getting from making these accusations?
So far 1 million bucks in a go fund me account.

I said clearly that I have not decided who I believe. Anyone can lie under oath.
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Most of the time, that's all you've got to go on in sexual assault cases, no?
And?
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