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KildareFan · 08-03-2016, 10:24

I've just read John Grenham's blog about missing Census forms on the NAI site....http://johngrenham.com/irishroots/?p=127

What a revelation. Not all census forms hit the online search, but you can find them if you know the general area where the ancestors lived by manipulating the address/URL. Each form has a unique URL so by changing the URL you can move to another form.

I had long wondered why my great grandfather's household form didn't show up in the search, even though I knew the area where they had lived since the household was listed in the House and Building Return form. I realised from that form that households 1-10 in his village did not appear in the search. However, I was able to find the household form for my great grandfather by manipulating the URL in the address bar using John Grenham's invaluable method.
" In your browser address-bar, you’ll see something like “census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002500860/”. Just add 1 to that number to go forward a frame and subtract 1 to go back."

John also lists major omissions from the online census - what a pity the Irish Times no longer publishes his articles, and that NAI didn't install a scroll feature on the census forms....

Hermy · 08-03-2016, 10:48

It's a shame there isn't ongoing maintenance to improve these and other record collections - Tithes for instance.

Jellybaby1 · 08-03-2016, 14:21

A few years ago when I couldn't find a census form for one of my in-laws I just entered his first name for that area and went through them all until I eventually found him. They had misspelled his surname, I never would have found it otherwise.

Hermy · 08-03-2016, 14:26

Another useful trick is to try the surname in the forename box and vice versa.

montgo · 08-03-2016, 19:11

I can't find an entire townland but it is not listed on John Grenham's list. I have emailed NAI a couple of times asking if they hold a hard copy/microfiche of the returns for the missing townland but have never received a reply. Any other ideas?

Alan259 · 08-03-2016, 21:17

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Originally Posted by montgo

I can't find an entire townland but it is not listed on John Grenham's list. I have emailed NAI a couple of times asking if they hold a hard copy/microfiche of the returns for the missing townland but have never received a reply. Any other ideas?

Is it the 1901 returns or the 1911 returns or both that are missing?

montgo · 08-03-2016, 21:57

Just the 1911 Census is missing.

Alan259 · 08-03-2016, 22:11

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Originally Posted by montgo

Just the 1911 Census is missing.

It's possible that the 1911 census returns for that townland might have gotten lost before they were microfilmed or they might have gotten damaged and thus illegible. Did you try going to any of the neighbouring townlands and try John Grenham's URL trick?

The images of the neighbouring townlands might give you what happened to your townland's returns. At the following link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.i.../nai000807842/ it actually says that some forms are missing and I'v seen it for returns that were damaged by water, torn, etc. Hope this helps.

montgo · 09-03-2016, 08:34

Yes I did try the Grenham system but no joy.

I just wish they would reply to my email enquiry. Thx

KildareFan · 09-03-2016, 10:39

What's the name of the townland? Maybe we can play hide and seek.

shanew · 09-03-2016, 18:11

might help with the searches ... basic navigator for the 1901 & 1911 census :

http://irelandgen.com/tools/census_n...?rid=000024780

(click reset to start at a new image)

montgo · 09-03-2016, 21:13

Kildare, thanks but I've realised that I did ask about the townland before and Shanew condirmed that it wasn't available.

Shane, many thanks for the link, very handy!

bartleby101 · 29-03-2016, 14:59

Hi folks,
The original lInk to John Grenham's page posted above seem to be broken. Does he publish a list of missing Townlands from 1911 Census? This would be most interesting.

Cheers,
Bart

Alan259 · 29-03-2016, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartleby101

Hi folks,
The original lInk to John Grenham's page posted above seem to be broken. Does he publish a list of missing Townlands from 1911 Census? This would be most interesting.

Cheers,
Bart

Hi Bart,

Does this link work for you? http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/iris...us-microfilms/

bartleby101 · 30-03-2016, 14:24

Spot on Alan, many thanks,
Intriguing find by Mr. Grenham.
Bart

08-03-2016, 10:24	#1
KildareFan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 609 Adverts \| Friends	John Grenham and the missing census forms I've just read John Grenham's blog about missing Census forms on the NAI site....http://johngrenham.com/irishroots/?p=127 What a revelation. Not all census forms hit the online search, but you can find them if you know the general area where the ancestors lived by manipulating the address/URL. Each form has a unique URL so by changing the URL you can move to another form. I had long wondered why my great grandfather's household form didn't show up in the search, even though I knew the area where they had lived since the household was listed in the House and Building Return form. I realised from that form that households 1-10 in his village did not appear in the search. However, I was able to find the household form for my great grandfather by manipulating the URL in the address bar using John Grenham's invaluable method. " In your browser address-bar, you’ll see something like “census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002500860/”. Just add 1 to that number to go forward a frame and subtract 1 to go back." John also lists major omissions from the online census - what a pity the Irish Times no longer publishes his articles, and that NAI didn't install a scroll feature on the census forms....

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08-03-2016, 10:48	#2
Hermy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,070 Adverts \| Friends	It's a shame there isn't ongoing maintenance to improve these and other record collections - Tithes for instance.

08-03-2016, 14:21	#3
Jellybaby1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,981	A few years ago when I couldn't find a census form for one of my in-laws I just entered his first name for that area and went through them all until I eventually found him. They had misspelled his surname, I never would have found it otherwise.

08-03-2016, 14:26	#4
Hermy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,070 Adverts \| Friends	Another useful trick is to try the surname in the forename box and vice versa.

08-03-2016, 19:11	#5
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 536 Adverts \| Friends	I can't find an entire townland but it is not listed on John Grenham's list. I have emailed NAI a couple of times asking if they hold a hard copy/microfiche of the returns for the missing townland but have never received a reply. Any other ideas?

08-03-2016, 21:57	#7
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 536 Adverts \| Friends	Just the 1911 Census is missing.

09-03-2016, 08:34	#9
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 536 Adverts \| Friends	Yes I did try the Grenham system but no joy. I just wish they would reply to my email enquiry. Thx

09-03-2016, 10:39	#10
KildareFan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 609 Adverts \| Friends	What's the name of the townland? Maybe we can play hide and seek.

09-03-2016, 18:11	#11
shanew Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,768 Adverts \| Friends	might help with the searches ... basic navigator for the 1901 & 1911 census : http://irelandgen.com/tools/census_n...?rid=000024780 (click reset to start at a new image)

09-03-2016, 21:13	#12
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 536 Adverts \| Friends	Kildare, thanks but I've realised that I did ask about the townland before and Shanew condirmed that it wasn't available. Shane, many thanks for the link, very handy!

29-03-2016, 14:59	#13
bartleby101 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 13 Adverts \| Friends	Hi folks, The original lInk to John Grenham's page posted above seem to be broken. Does he publish a list of missing Townlands from 1911 Census? This would be most interesting. Cheers, Bart

30-03-2016, 14:24	#15
bartleby101 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 13 Adverts \| Friends	Spot on Alan, many thanks, Intriguing find by Mr. Grenham. Bart