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17-07-2018, 10:26   #46
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Ex Players i think would help the respect issue as they would be respected more as individuals

I would also like the following implemented

1.Referee's to issue cards for abuse of officials and be very strict on it

2.Clubs to be fined for any player or management who are booked/Sent off for abusing officials

3.Sunday Game could also have a referee to explain decisions
I really like that one - I know one of the rugby shows on BT does it and has a referee in to explain things. Would help a lot of the misunderstanding by people in the stands as well as for players.

Interesting line from an article written by Brian Galvin regarding umpires

"Umpires haven’t been brought in by Croke Park for coaching or advice and that is a mystery when it’s been a tough summer for them, especially in hurling"

Waterford-Tipp game on the 8th of July - umpire waved the ball as a point, Hawkeye over-ruled, with many comment's being made about umpires who are friends or acquaintances of the referee. In this case it was actually a referee who made the incorrect decision.

I do think the GAA need to provide specific training - I've umpired quite a few games, including some county finals, and while it is easier to see a football, a sliotar is harder to see, especially when there is little room behind the goalposts to be able to position yourself to be able to see it.
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17-07-2018, 11:45   #47
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Ex Players i think would help the respect issue as they would be respected more as individuals

I would also like the following implemented

1.Referee's to issue cards for abuse of officials and be very strict on it

2.Clubs to be fined for any player or management who are booked/Sent off for abusing officials

3.Sunday Game could also have a referee to explain decisions
I dont think ex players would help the respect issue. They hmay have been respected when they played but that goes out window with many who do ref.
I think any ref abuse needs to be sanctioned but you need to adapt the rule book to really help referees. Many rules should be changed/got rid of to really improve the game.
Sunday Game doesnt really need a ref on to explain decisions. Only on the days when there was game changing/altering decisions made.

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To my knowledge all ref's on the intercounty panel for championship have regular meetings to review performance
It needs to be all refs at all levels meeting monthly(or more regularly) to discuss rules and incidents that occured in their games and review video clips on issues that they need to work on.

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I really like that one - I know one of the rugby shows on BT does it and has a referee in to explain things. Would help a lot of the misunderstanding by people in the stands as well as for players.

Interesting line from an article written by Brian Galvin regarding umpires

"Umpires haven’t been brought in by Croke Park for coaching or advice and that is a mystery when it’s been a tough summer for them, especially in hurling"

Waterford-Tipp game on the 8th of July - umpire waved the ball as a point, Hawkeye over-ruled, with many comment's being made about umpires who are friends or acquaintances of the referee. In this case it was actually a referee who made the incorrect decision.

I do think the GAA need to provide specific training - I've umpired quite a few games, including some county finals, and while it is easier to see a football, a sliotar is harder to see, especially when there is little room behind the goalposts to be able to position yourself to be able to see it.
Yeah Rugby Tonight has a referee explaining the odd decision but the pundits in rugby are far better/rational at discussing referees first.
I would concentrate on whatever training all officials get. It needs to start at the lowest levels to improve referees in the long term not look for improvements straight away. There is ref recruitment officers and administers in each county but surely there needs to be development officers who are former/current top level refs and can teach refs about game management, rules of game etc.
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I dont think ex players would help the respect issue. They hmay have been respected when they played but that goes out window with many who do ref.
I think any ref abuse needs to be sanctioned but you need to adapt the rule book to really help referees. Many rules should be changed/got rid of to really improve the game.
Sunday Game doesnt really need a ref on to explain decisions. Only on the days when there was game changing/altering decisions made.

It needs to be all refs at all levels meeting monthly(or more regularly) to discuss rules and incidents that occured in their games and review video clips on issues that they need to work on.

Yeah Rugby Tonight has a referee explaining the odd decision but the pundits in rugby are far better/rational at discussing referees first.
I would concentrate on whatever training all officials get. It needs to start at the lowest levels to improve referees in the long term not look for improvements straight away. There is ref recruitment officers and administers in each county but surely there needs to be development officers who are former/current top level refs and can teach refs about game management, rules of game etc.
Respect for the ref and his decisions is drilled into rugby players from juvenile age. It clearly pays dividends.
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Respect for the ref and his decisions is drilled into rugby players from juvenile age. It clearly pays dividends.
You dont need to tell me that. I ref rugby.
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Let's make a football that can be kicked 80 yards down the field.
Y'know, that is an interesting point, whether you were being serious or not! Would be very very interesting to see the impact of a slightly lighter ball.
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18-07-2018, 07:51   #51
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Getting ex players would be good but isnt be all end all some see it as.
After referees do the initial course to become a referee what other training do they get?
In rugby referees have monthly meetings to discuss laws/issues in the game that will have arisen. Looking at video clips of incidentas
What would you see as a proper respect campaign?

I dont see VAR being needed. Fixing/changing the rule book would be far more beneficial in relation to number of reds than any video ref
For some incidents maybe, for other off the ball incidents maybe not. But something is certainly needed to check out dodgy goals.
Waterford were knocked out of the championship this year on a dodgy goal. Galway could have lost the Leinster final on a dodgy goal.
Liam Rushes goal v KK could have seen them beaten that day.
There are lots of these every year having much more influence on games than any point caught by Hawk-Eye.
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Y'know, that is an interesting point, whether you were being serious or not! Would be very very interesting to see the impact of a slightly lighter ball.
If you made it easier to score long range points it would also be harder to implement a blanket defence - win win really
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OK lets see how we could trouble shoot these four simple rule changes

1) Implement a "halfway" line

2)" A player receiving a backwards pass may not be in his own half when collecting the ball "

3) " A maximum of three passes either by foot or hand allowed in your own half of the field"

4) " For the ball to travel over the "halfway" line it must be kicked

These simple changes would result in a more expansive games,Would speed the game up,Would increase kick passing ten fold and would be easily implemented at all levels
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If you made it easier to score long range points it would also be harder to implement a blanket defence - win win really
A lighter ball would also be more erratic, especially with a wind, so might make some teams even less likely to kick rather than hand pass!
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OK lets see how we could trouble shoot these four simple rule changes

1) Implement a "halfway" line

2)" A player receiving a backwards pass may not be in his own half when collecting the ball "

3) " A maximum of three passes either by foot or hand allowed in your own half of the field"

4) " For the ball to travel over the "halfway" line it must be kicked

These simple changes would result in a more expansive games,Would speed the game up,Would increase kick passing ten fold and would be easily implemented at all levels
Except that they are not simple, they would be extremely complicated for a referee.

Apart from that they address the wrong problem. The problem isn't the handpassing in their own half, the problem is the blanket defence. The changes you propose will make it much easier to implement a blanket defence and much more profitable to do so. The end result will be even lower-scoring games.
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A lighter ball would also be more erratic, especially with a wind, so might make some teams even less likely to kick rather than hand pass!
I thought so too, ever watch one of those light plastic balls go back over your head when messing around in the wind?
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A lighter ball would also be more erratic, especially with a wind, so might make some teams even less likely to kick rather than hand pass!
I don't think the poster was talking about a cheap kiddy ball.
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I thought so too, ever watch one of those light plastic balls go back over your head when messing around in the wind?
Cillian would be fcuked!
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Except that they are not simple, they would be extremely complicated for a referee.

Apart from that they address the wrong problem. The problem isn't the handpassing in their own half, the problem is the blanket defence. The changes you propose will make it much easier to implement a blanket defence and much more profitable to do so. The end result will be even lower-scoring games.

Sorry i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion ?
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I don't think the poster was talking about a cheap kiddy ball.

A lighter ball is a lighter ball and thus less easy to control and more susceptible to wind and other factors. You don't need to be Issac Newton to know this.
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