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07-06-2017, 23:00   #46
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Nah. We leave the whinging about media conspiracies to the Mayo crowd.
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has me thinking there is politics at play here.

Who got to the referee after the game?

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits.
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I have stated many times here and in other threads players like Connolly, Gouch, Murphy, McBrearty get no protection from referees. It has always been the same Canavan, Duff, Joyce all got plenty of sly belts. That is wrong but wont change. There are about 4 or 5 decent referees on the go and thats it. That lines man on Saturday seems to attract controversy and the referee is not much better.

The fact that the incident was dealt with at the time has me thinking there is politics at play here. Brannagan didnt bring it to referees attention at the time so the referee "dealt" with it. Why did Mr. Brannagan not put up his flag then if he was pushed? Who got to the referee after the game?

At nearly 30 years of age Connolly should have more kop on. As I said above He is unfairly targeted. It is time the county board stood up for him whetehr there is an appeal or not.

Until he can calm himself down he is a massive liability and maybe Dublin should just plan for the rest of the season without him.

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits. Actually Joe Brolly was decent on Sean O'Rourke today with his views.

Of course Brolly was ''decent'' he articulated your point of view. As is stated by many all top forwards have to live with treatment. Its the nature of the game unless we turn it into tiddltwinks. You can look at the treatment meated out to O'Connor, Murphy, Gooch, Greany, Brogan etc etc. But they live with it. Connolly gets no more or no less but he reacts to it.

What happened last Sunday had nothing to do with treatment he was meated out. He caused a furore by picking up a line ball given against him and he then tried to intimidate the linesman.

You wonder how it came to the refs attention. Connolly continued to barage the linesman after that. Maybe after the game the ref asked the linesman ''what was all that about'' and became aware of the incident then. It is the refs job to protect his officials he may have mentioned it then in the report. Brannigan not bringing it to the refs attention means the matter was not dealt with. If the ref booked him or yellow carded him it may have been deemed to have been dealt with. If he red carded as happened to Paul Galvin in 2008 the GAA could also carry it forward.

I think that Dublin GAA are in a quandry. If they appeal they are condoning what he did. This pulls the rug from under every referee that is reffing games at any level in Dublin. They are condoning the intimidation of officials.

The pundits that you are angry with just have a different point of view to Brolly.
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The DCB aren't in a quandary. Quell this crap and accept the ban.
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I have stated many times here and in other threads players like Connolly, Gouch, Murphy, McBrearty get no protection from referees. It has always been the same Canavan, Duff, Joyce all got plenty of sly belts. That is wrong but wont change. There are about 4 or 5 decent referees on the go and thats it. That lines man on Saturday seems to attract controversy and the referee is not much better.

The fact that the incident was dealt with at the time has me thinking there is politics at play here. Brannagan didnt bring it to referees attention at the time so the referee "dealt" with it. Why did Mr. Brannagan not put up his flag then if he was pushed? Who got to the referee after the game?

At nearly 30 years of age Connolly should have more kop on. As I said above He is unfairly targeted. It is time the county board stood up for him whetehr there is an appeal or not.


Until he can calm himself down he is a massive liability and maybe Dublin should just plan for the rest of the season without him.

I know I will be looking more closely now at games to highlight the inconsistency of some pundits. Actually Joe Brolly was decent on Sean O'Rourke today with his views.

I think someone pointed out a while back on telly about a forwarded who was eventually sent off, who did ALL the fouling up until he was sent off, him of his marker?

Look at sean cavanagh and lee keegan in the quarter finals last year, keegan was persistently fouling cavanagh off the ball. He could have earned 4 yellows in the first half but neither the ref or the linesman would call it when everyone else in the stadium could see it. Eventually the ref bottles it and hands out two yellow cards, which is what keegan wanted and then cavanagh then walks on another bull**** yellow. Mission accomplished.


The rules are supposed to discourage foul play by making the risk not worth the reward but the officials are doing the opposite, they are rewarding persistent fouling. Every teams is at it but it disproportionately affects the best players in the country.
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I think someone pointed out a while back on telly about a forwarded who was eventually sent off, who did ALL the fouling up until he was sent off, him of his marker?

Look at sean cavanagh and lee keegan in the quarter finals last year, keegan was persistently fouling cavanagh off the ball. He could have earned 4 yellows in the first half but neither the ref or the linesman would call it when everyone else in the stadium could see it. Eventually the ref bottles it and hands out two yellow cards, which is what keegan wanted and then cavanagh then walks on another bull**** yellow. Mission accomplished.


The rules are supposed to discourage foul play by making the risk not worth the reward but the officials are doing the opposite, they are rewarding persistent fouling. Every teams is at it but it disproportionately affects the best players in the country.
This is important for me if the sport is to progress. Is the tournament better without Connolly? His Dublin status only matters to idiots incapable of seeing the bigger picture. DC will eventually retire and rival players will still be getting off with winding up quality players at the expense of watching talent flourish. Just listen to some of Goochs comments on the abuse he took. Is that really not worth addressing ?

Connolly was stupid and has form in reacting. But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage. It also facilitates anti- team bias from rival fans pretending to be outraged , while excusing/ignoring other players that don't bother them.

Part of the problem is that it seems to be trial by RTE that stokes the pitchforks and Springfielders get their knickers in a twist. There is an appeal procedure for everybody to use, not just players who rival fans aren't bothered with. Connolly has every right to explore this option. It's not like he nearly picked up the ref like a mayo player last year.. Funny how concerned people are now with officials once a Dub is involved!

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This is important for me, if the sport is to progress. Is the tournament better without Connolly? His Dublin status only matters to idiots incapable of seeing the bigger picture. DC will eventually retire and rival players will still be getting off with winding up quality players at the expense of watching talent flourish.

Connolly was stupid and has form in reacting. But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage. It also facilitates anti- team bias from rival fans pretending to be outraged , while excusing other players that don't bother them.

Part of the problem is that it seems to be trial by RTE that stokes the pitchforks and Springfielders get their knickers in a twist. There is an appeal procedure for everybody to use, not just players who rival fans aren't bothered with. Connolly has every right to explore this option. It's not like he nearly picked up the ref like a mayo player last year.. Funny how concerned people are now with officials once a Dub is involved!
I mostly agree with what you are trying to say here. But I really believe we should leave it. Dermo isn't going to learn. And some Dubs are sick of it. I don't give a crap what other counties think.
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I mostly agree with what you are trying to say here. But I really believe we should leave it. Dermo isn't going to learn. And some Dubs are sick of it. I don't give a crap what other counties think.
That's the problem. I don't think he will learn at this stage. He is who he is and unfortunelay the powers that be are not interested in protecting players of his quality..


I actually agree with you and think we should leave it. just fed up reading bullsh*t anger from rival fans who don't realise their anger is just spite, not some sort of demand for righteous justice.
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Look at sean cavanagh and lee keegan in the quarter finals last year, keegan was persistently fouling cavanagh off the ball. He could have earned 4 yellows in the first half but neither the ref or the linesman would call it when everyone else in the stadium could see it. Eventually the ref bottles it and hands out two yellow cards, which is what keegan wanted and then cavanagh then walks on another bull**** yellow. Mission accomplished.
So keegan - the defender and go-to man marker - wants to be on a yellow card against tyrone - the kings of getting people sent off...

Listen, watch the thing back in the cold light of day, it was Cavanagh who instigated the incident with the two yellow cards. Id imagine he was told to get into the game by his manager, and master of dark arts, mickey harte. Keegan gave him his own back (and rightly so) and the two of them got carded. Cavanagh then put in a crazy high challenge and got himself sent off, while keegan kept out of trouble and kicked two points against a tyrone team fighting tooth and nail to stay alive - no mean feat. To say keegan done anything wrong there is actually pretty poor form for any honest gaa man.

The worst part of it is, you have lads talking about media campaigns against Connollly, yet they are doing the very same against Keegan. The fact that his peers voted him player of the year at the same time, only highlights how biased it is. You cant have it every way.
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You really can't have it every way. Terrible eh? And I do like cake.
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This is important for me if the sport is to progress. Is the tournament better without Connolly? His Dublin status only matters to idiots incapable of seeing the bigger picture. DC will eventually retire and rival players will still be getting off with winding up quality players at the expense of watching talent flourish. Just listen to some of Goochs comments on the abuse he took. Is that really not worth addressing ?

Connolly was stupid and has form in reacting. But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage. It also facilitates anti- team bias from rival fans pretending to be outraged , while excusing/ignoring other players that don't bother them.

Part of the problem is that it seems to be trial by RTE that stokes the pitchforks and Springfielders get their knickers in a twist. There is an appeal procedure for everybody to use, not just players who rival fans aren't bothered with. Connolly has every right to explore this option. It's not like he nearly picked up the ref like a mayo player last year.. Funny how concerned people are now with officials once a Dub is involved!
The game will get on fine without anyone. No player should be spoken of in such terms. To be frank about it, he has been non-existent in plenty of games, no more than our own Aidan O'Shea, for me to know that Dublin will get on fine without him.

Personally, I think some Dublin fans are selling themselves short a bit, trying to defend the indefensible. Dublin are a proud gaa county. Diarmuid Connolly is not bigger than Dublin, so stop treating him like he is. It is reminiscent of the whole Liverpool-Luis Suarez bite debacle, and all that proved was that Liverpool were in fact a small time club.

The 12 weeks might be excessive, but that is the rule at present and it cant be changed in the next few days.
The stuff about the Cillian O'Connor photo doing the rounds is cringe worthy to be honest about it. It is clear that the context is different, as the ref is trying to hear what he is saying. Come on lads, you are better than this sh*te

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This is important for me if the sport is to progress.

But the "part and parcel" of the game horsesh*t excuse for the abuse top quality players take has got to stop. It's actually quite retarded for a sport to allow a strategy that prevents its most talented stars from shining on the big stage.
You mightnt like it but thats sport. In soccer, what happens the top players? They get a clatter as early as possible "to let them know they are in a game". Aussie Rules, constantly happens, they have taggers on the top players, a specific man marking duty who will do anything to curb the opponent. American Footballer, they try decapitate the opposing QB on every play and hamper his abilities. Even bloody cricket, the sledging that goes on to put off an opponent.

The GAA isnt unique in this regards. People may not like it, but sport is competitive, and it is that competitiveness that brings it entertainment. Obviously there are lines that shouldnt be crossed, sledging being a big factor these days in all sports with that. But opposing teams do whatever they can to try stop their opponents winning. People may not like it, the top players may not like it, but opponents in every sport will always try level the playing field no matter what way they can.
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The game will get on fine without anyone. No player should be spoken of in such terms. To be frank about it, he has been non-existent in plenty of games, no more than our own Aidan O'Shea, for me to know that Dublin will get on fine without him.

Personally, I think some Dublin fans are selling themselves short a bit, trying to defend the indefensible. Dublin are a proud gaa county. Diarmuid Connolly is not bigger than Dublin, so stop treating him like he is. It is reminiscent of the whole Liverpool-Luis Suarez bite debacle, and all that proved was that Liverpool were in fact a small time club.

The 12 weeks might be excessive, but that is the rule at present and it cant be changed in the next few days.
The stuff about the Cillian O'Connor photo doing the rounds is cringe worthy to be honest about it. It is clear that the context is different, as the ref is trying to hear what he is saying. Come on lads, you are better than this sh*te
I wasn't defending Connolly , I was putting context on the hysteria surrounding the case...

You can accept he was wrong , accept he has to be punished and highlight the fact that he was reacting to abuse that's accepted in the game.
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I wasn't defending Connolly , I was putting context on the hysteria surrounding the case...

You can accept he was wrong , accept he has to be punished and highlight the fact that he was reacting to abuse that's accepted in the game.
Thank Christ Connolly decided to lay a comforting hand upon the linesman's breast, otherwise the shocking revelation of this endemic abuse may never have seen the light of day.
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I mostly agree with what you are trying to say here. But I really believe we should leave it. Dermo isn't going to learn. And some Dubs are sick of it. I don't give a crap what other counties think.

There are two sides to this and I am in two minds.

Firstly, Connolly has been stupid time and again, rising to provocation because of his short temper and it has been evident for some time that he is going to get done by the officials sooner or later. A lot of that is his own fault and you could see an incident coming last Saturday. Plenty of people in the stands were shouting at him to clam down. He needs to learn a lesson, and this is a good one, a pity that it isn't six weeks instead of twelve.

Secondly, it is about time that the referees and officials have got some protection. Too often I have seen players shouting at referees, running up to them shouting in their face - Donaghy being a leading example, and some of the Mayo boys as well - and if the Connolly incident sets the standard for the summer, you can bet that Gavin will have the rest of the Dubs behaving themselves. Let some other team take the next fall.

On that basis, it would be better for the DCB to just leave it.

On the other hand, there are a number of disquieting aspects to this. Firstly, the incident was seen and dealt with by the officials. In soccer, if the referee has fully seen an incident and dealt with it, it cannot be revisited (this is changing for diving next season). If he hasn't been fully assessed by the referee, it can be revisited. It is likely therefore that no action could be taken in soccer. In rugby, a citing commissioner can revisit issues of foul play warranting a red card even if they have been dealt with by the referee. This was not an incident of foul play. So looking at those two sports, the circumstances in which incidents can be revisited having been dealt with by the referee are limited and it is unlikely that Connolly would be facing a ban, certainly not one as severe as this. Joe Brolly put it well when he described the circumstances of the incident appearing in the referees report. I agree and I find it strange that in effect the referee and linesman have both admitted to being incompetent. They should certainly be dropped from the inter-county referee rota. There are grounds of appeal in relation to how the retrospective action was dealt with.

Secondly, it has been amazing to watch the commentary from various pundits and posters from other counties who have suggested that Connolly should just accept all the off-the-ball fouling, dragging and assault that he is subject to game after game, because it is part of the game and/or all forwards are subject to it. Seriously, foul play is acceptable because everyone does it????
The low-level of his interaction with the linesman compared to the high-level of the off-the-ball stuff is quite a contrast. How so many believe that this is an acceptable part of the game is incredible. It gives me some sympathy for what Connolly has been through, and the element of solidarity with him in pursuing an appeal (even if it is a futile one) needs to be considered.

Thirdly, highlighting the inconsistent nature of punishments - e.g. Connolly missing three Championship games while someone who failed a drugs test missing none - could also warrant an appeal. It was only a few weeks ago that many pundits were criticising the severity of the twelve weeks when it was the Tipp goalie who was suffering from it.

At the end of the day, from a purely selfish Dublin perspective, the judgement must be Gavin's. Will accepting the punishment improve Connolly as a player and create the incentive for change in him and bring the team together - all of us against the world? On the other hand, will a failure to defend Connolly have him walk away and splinter the team and can we manage without him? I don't know the answer to that and we will see what happens.
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On the other hand, there are a number of disquieting aspects to this.
What I find disquieting is a significant number of Dublin fans seem to think because the ref didn't enforce the rules, that they are implying that it should amount to a get out of jail free card for Connolly.

The referee and linesman messed up and they should be spoken to and left off the referees intercounty roster if deemed correct.

However it is not connected to diarmuid connolly and the punishment he has to face for breaking a clear rule. They are two separate issues.

Also how Rugby and Soccer treat their disciplinary issues is of as much relevance as me saying that if Connolly pushed and shouted and pointed at a course rules official in pro golf he may well receive a life time ban.
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