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Mitsubishi Pajero Replacment

  • 01-02-2019 11:56am
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    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    So ive heard the Pajeros are up for replacment this year. Anyone know anything about it or what the replacments might be.

    I love to see these puppies

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  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Yawlboy


    Pajero again perhaps, they are still on sale and probably the cheapest option.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I'll second that. If its good enough for the Taliban its fine for the DF. And throw in a few Bentley Bentagas for the generals!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Probably the cheapest model they can get.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭ Alayna Polite Stereo


    The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

    By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

    By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.

    Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,353 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

    Not that many options- the Pajero is gone. There was supposed to be a Pajero Sport replacement coming but haven't seen it yet in Ireland. Think they are on sale in the Uk.
    Of the traditional workhouse type 4*4 you have the Land Cruiser or Discovery.
    Crew cabs seem to be where the action is due to tax reasons I think. They’re a lot cheaper


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Oops!


    At the moment the Landcruiser is the only realistic machine for the job. Those Nissan Patrols were some machine for the job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    What about the Mercedes G Wagen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Savage93


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).
    .

    Perenties being retired by the Aussies and being replaced by 4 and 6 wheel Mercedes G wagons. No longer in production.

    Pinzgauer ceased manufacture in 2006 after they got slated for lack of IED protection for the Brits in Afghanistan.Again an old design dating back to the sixties.

    Iveco 4x4 M70.20 would be a good contender but would probably be too expensive.
    http://www.militarysystems-tech.com/articles/iveco-defence-vehicles-eurosatory


  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Yawlboy


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,691 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Patrol is still made but unfortunately is has drifted away from utilitarian uses to more chintzy urban cruiser profile. The big diesels have been phased out too.

    For my money, the only equivalent contender currently on the market is the Toyota Landcruiser (200 body) 5 door in GX spec (very basic, built for durability, with engine snorkel) and a 4.5L V8 diesel with 232 bhp. It is perhaps the best regarded and most capable utility 4x4 money can buy and although that body style is gone from the commercial market in Ireland, they are still built widely in right-hand drive for the Southern Hemisphere and could be ordered in bulk, for around the 40k per unit mark.

    I also understand (correct me if I'm wrong) that this is the vehicle that forms the basis of the DF current order for 24 unmarked armoured passenger 4x4s from French defence and security vehicle specialist, Centigon. The commonality in mechanicals would have obvious benefits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭ Alayna Polite Stereo


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

    I'm not being harsh at all, try work with them and get back to me.

    The Crewcab are grand for stores and other line work but they've a limited troop carrying capacity (although gear can be stored in the rear) plus they can't be worked in an FFR role, and the limit of their off road ability is as a stores van parked up at the ranges.

    We've had some gearbox and clutch problems with ours too.

    Over all they're not a bad workhorse but useless operationally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭ Alayna Polite Stereo


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?

    The only problem with the doors on the Crewcab is a lack of them. Its only a three door, the rear passengers only have a sliding door on the near side and nothing else.

    Google 'Nissan Patrol GR6', there's loads of images.


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Savage93




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Oops!




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,691 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    mikeym wrote: »
    They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.

    There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

    Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

    Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.

    Tesla Model X?


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  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Tesla Model X?

    Put down that can and go to bed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Toyota 70 series, a mix of flatbed, twin cab, and "troop carriers" (estates),
    Or the iveco daily 4x4, seven seater twin cab, https://youtu.be/1Aq3qS4MF-
    But it depends what they want them to do..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Yawlboy


    I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭source


    Yawlboy wrote: »
    I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.

    Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    source wrote: »
    Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.

    Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

    Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭source


    Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

    Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.

    I was being facetious.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    The 70 series can tow 3.5 ton, fully loaded...
    But just noticed the "troop carrier" version doesn't have rear passenger doors, (obviously it has the barn doors at the back) which would probably rule it out...
    Edit.. Just spotted, there is an SUV version as well which has 5 doors, and a twin cab.
    No idea how much they'd cost here though..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭View Profile


    Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
    Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
    Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.

    DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.

    I assume they're not really what the df is looking for anyway at the moment, a soft skin 4wd runabout, with a decent towing capacity.

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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