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Ireland u20 6 nations and world championship 2021

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  • 22-12-2020 8:26pm
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    The Lost Sheep
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    an extended Ireland Under-20 squad have gathered at the IRFU HPC for a two-day camp.
    No names but IRFU tweeted about it today. Normally post about players who've played previous year and likely players but will be slightly different for obvious reasons. Much harder to suggest other players who could come from further afield with so little rugby played.
    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1341345313353834498


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    bayern
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    LH Prop
    Jack Boyle(Michaels/Leinster) - u19
    George Saunderson(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Munster)
    Hugo O'Malley(Blackrock/Leinster)

    TH Prop
    Oscar Egan(Coleraine/Ulster)
    Sam Illo(Wesley/Leinster)
    Ben Griffin(Castleknock/Leinster)
    Paddy McAlpine(Campbell/Ulster)

    Hooker
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ulster)
    Lee Barron(Michaels/Leinster)
    James McCormick(Dalradia/Ulster) - u19
    Eoin de Buitlear(An Gaelthacht/Connacht)

    Lock
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/Leinster)
    Mark Morrissey(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19
    Harry Sheridan(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Darragh Murray(Buccaneers/Connacht)

    Backrow
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Leinster)
    Will Hickey(Michaels/Leinster)
    Mark Boyle(Gorey/Leinster)
    Hubert Costello(Corinthians/Connacht)
    Oisin McCormack(Ballinasloe/Connacht)
    Donnacha Byrne(Sligo/Connacht)
    Diarmuid McCormack(Clongowes/Connacht)
    Alex Kendellen(PBC/Munster)
    Daniel Okeke(Ardscoil Ris/Munster)
    Nick Greene(Bandon Grammar/Munster) - u19
    Conor Moloney(Ennis RFC/Munster) - u19
    Rueben Crothers(Wallace/Ulster) - u19

    Scrumhalf
    Nathan Doak(Wallace/Ulster)
    Conor McKee(Ulster)
    Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Munster)
    Will Reilly(Portlaoise/Leinster)
    Matthew Devine(Ballinasloe/Connacht) - u19
    Ethan Coughlan(Ennis RFC/Munster) - u19

    Outhalf
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/Leinster)
    Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Leinster) - u19
    Cian Whooley(CBC/Munster)
    Cathal Forde(Corinthians/Connacht)

    Outside Backs
    Ben Moxham(Ballymena/Ulster)
    Conor Rankin(Campbell/Ulster)
    Jude Postlethwaite(RBAI/Ulster) - u19
    Ben Carson(Wallace/Ulster)
    Shane Jennings(Ballinasloe RFC/Connacht)
    Hubert Gilvarry(Sligo RFC/Connacht)
    Rory McCleane(Oughterard RFC/Connacht)
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Leinster)
    Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Leinster) - u19
    Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/Leinster)
    Chris Cosgrave(Michaels/Leinster)
    Shane Mallon(Longford RFC-Roscrea/Leinster) - u19
    Harry O'Riordan(CBC/Munster)
    Alan Flannery(Rockwell/Munster)
    Aaron Leahy(CBC/Munster)
    Dan Kelly(Leicester)


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    bayern
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    video on camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3jFaK4ffvc&ab_channel=IrishRugbyTV


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    Locke_Lamora
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    Is Dan Kelly likely to be involved again having accepted an academy place in England? Handy player but surely we’d look to develop players who are committed or might possibly commit to playing in Ireland. Certainly some better centres available to choose from this year I think.


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    RuPi
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    Saw a journalist on Twitter say that Kelly still was committed to Ireland - will see closer to six nations once academy players are added into the squad if he is there but you are right centre is certainly a strong area of the squad.


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    Purist98
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    Harry Colbert there too


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    alanb92
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    The pack is likely to be very impressive again this year. Boyle, Stewart, McCarthy, Soroka and Kendellan are all future Internationals in waiting, in my opinion.
    Anyone willing to take a stab at the likely 23?


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    theVersatile
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    I'd say for the pack, something along the lines of:

    Donnelly Stewart ANOther
    Mccarthy Murray
    Soroka Hickey Kendellan

    I wouldn't be able to comment on tight heads. I think Kendellan came on at 7 in the dodgily streamed A game but I'd have to double check I know he's played most of his rugby up to eight.


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    alanb92
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    I'd say for the pack, something along the lines of:

    Donnelly Stewart ANOther
    Mccarthy Murray
    Soroka Hickey Kendellan

    I wouldn't be able to comment on tight heads. I think Kendellan came on at 7 in the dodgily streamed A game but I'd have to double check I know he's played most of his rugby up to eight.

    Cheers. It will be interesting to see if we play Soroka at second row for any games. Reuben Crothers seems to be highly rated in Ulster and is a proper no.7 from what I’ve heard, therefore may provide more balance to the back row (with Hickey likely at 6 and Kendellen at 8).

    In the backs, there will be big competition at centre. Moxham came on for Ulster last night and looked a big unit. Possibly could see him on the wing for the 20’s given the number of centre options. I’m interested to see how Shane Jennings has progressed from under 18 level now that he has focused on rugby.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    alanb92 wrote: »
    Cheers. It will be interesting to see if we play Soroka at second row for any games. Reuben Crothers seems to be highly rated in Ulster and is a proper no.7 from what I’ve heard, therefore may provide more balance to the back row (with Hickey likely at 6 and Kendellen at 8).

    In the backs, there will be big competition at centre. Moxham came on for Ulster last night and looked a big unit. Possibly could see him on the wing for the 20’s given the number of centre options. I’m interested to see how Shane Jennings has progressed from under 18 level now that he has focused on rugby.
    Not like Jennings wasnt focused before.....
    Always played both hurling and rugby to high level
    Soroka may be option in 2nd row but would think he'll be in backrow more.


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    bayern
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    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Murray
    5. McCarthy
    6. Soroka
    7. Hickey
    8. Kendellan


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    alanb92
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Not like Jennings wasnt focused before.....
    Always played both hurling and rugby to high level
    Soroka may be option in 2nd row but would think he'll be in backrow more.

    He doesn’t play hurling anymore though does he? I.e. he is focused on rugby..


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    realhorrorshow
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Not like Jennings wasnt focused before.....
    Always played both hurling and rugby to high level
    Soroka may be option in 2nd row but would think he'll be in backrow more.

    Two seasons ago he was a schoolboy playing two sports, now he is 18~ months into a full time academy programme. Of course he is more focused on rugby now. The level of pedantry and nitpickery on here is unbearable sometimes.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    alanb92 wrote: »
    He doesn’t play hurling anymore though does he? I.e. he is focused on rugby..
    He doesnt but doesnt mean he wasnt focused on rugby.
    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    Two seasons ago he was a schoolboy playing two sports, now he is 18~ months into a full time academy programme. Of course he is more focused on rugby now. The level of pedantry and nitpickery on here is unbearable sometimes.
    It isnt nit picking or pedantic. The OP said now he's focusing on rugby implies that he wasnt before which isnt true.


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    realhorrorshow
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He doesnt but doesnt mean he wasnt focused on rugby.

    It isnt nit picking or pedantic. The OP said now he's focusing on rugby implies that he wasnt before which isnt true.

    I don’t think he was implying anything. A professional athlete has more time to devote to rugby than a Leaving Cert student playing two codes, that’s just a reality and does not cast any negative implications over the player in question.


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    alanb92
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He doesnt but doesnt mean he wasnt focused on rugby.

    It isnt nit picking or pedantic. The OP said now he's focusing on rugby implies that he wasnt before which isnt true.

    You must have misinterpreted me. I meant that he is focused solely on rugby now, rather than playing hurling as well, so that should stand to benefit him and he is likely to have improved a lot from under 18’s when he played both sports.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    alanb92 wrote: »
    You must have misinterpreted me. I meant that he is focused solely on rugby now, rather than playing hurling as well, so that should stand to benefit him and he is likely to have improved a lot from under 18’s when he played both sports.
    Thats more understandable. Just saying he is focused on rugby now is what i saw as wrong. Wouldnt say someone playing interpros/international etc wasnt focused on the sport even if playing other sports to a high level


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    theVersatile
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    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1343597193735905282?s=19

    More footage of the 20s camp, along with an interview with Mark Donnelly.


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    bayern
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    players spotted in camp:

    LH Prop
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Munster)
    George Saunderson(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Jack Boyle(Michaels/Leinster) - u19
    Aaron Rowan(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19

    TH Prop
    Oscar Egan(Coleraine/Ulster)
    Ben Griffin(Castleknock/Leinster)
    Sam Illo(Wesley/Leinster)

    Hooker
    Lee Barron(Michaels/Leinster)
    Ronan Loughnane(Roscrea/Leinster)

    Lock
    Mark Morrissey(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19
    Harry Sheridan(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Jay Traynor(Waterpark RFC/Munster)

    Backrow
    Will Hickey(Michaels/Leinster)
    Mark Boyle(Gorey RFC/Leinster)
    Aaron Coleman(Belvedere/Leinster)
    Diarmuid McCormack(Clongowes/Connacht)
    Daniel Okeke(Ardscoil Ris/Munster)

    Scrumhalf
    Will Reilly(Portlaoise RFC/Leinster)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan/Ulster)

    Outhalf
    Cian Whooley(CBC/Munster)
    Harry Colbert(Gonzaga/Leinster)
    James Humphreys(Queens/Ulster)

    Outside Backs
    Alan Flannery(Rockwell/Munster)
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Leinster)
    Chris Cosgrave(Michaels/Leinster)
    Matthew McGetrick(Terenure/Leinster)
    Jude Postlethwaite(RBAI/Ulster) - u19
    Hubert Gilvarry(Sligo/Connacht)


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    RuPi
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    bayern wrote: »
    players spotted in camp:

    LH Prop
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Munster)
    George Saunderson(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Jack Boyle(Michaels/Leinster) - u19
    Aaron Rowan(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19

    TH Prop
    Oscar Egan(Coleraine/Ulster)
    Ben Griffin(Castleknock/Leinster)
    Sam Illo(Wesley/Leinster)

    Hooker
    Lee Barron(Michaels/Leinster)
    Ronan Loughnane(Roscrea/Leinster)

    Lock
    Mark Morrissey(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19
    Harry Sheridan(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Jay Traynor(Waterpark RFC/Munster)

    Backrow
    Will Hickey(Michaels/Leinster)
    Mark Boyle(Gorey RFC/Leinster)
    Aaron Coleman(Belvedere/Leinster)
    Diarmuid McCormack(Clongowes/Connacht)
    Daniel Okeke(Ardscoil Ris/Munster)

    Scrumhalf
    Will Reilly(Portlaoise RFC/Leinster)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan/Ulster)

    Outhalf
    Cian Whooley(CBC/Munster)
    Harry Colbert(Gonzaga/Leinster)

    Outside Backs
    Alan Flannery(Rockwell/Munster)
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Leinster)
    Chris Cosgrave(Michaels/Leinster)
    Matthew McGetrick(Terenure/Leinster)
    Jude Postlethwaite(RBAI/Ulster) - u19

    James Humphreys is running at 10 for the Maroon side in some of the clips.


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    Paul Smeenus
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    RuPi wrote: »
    James Humphreys is running at 10 for the Maroon side in some of the clips.

    David's son?


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    RuPi
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    David's son?

    Yeh, had been in the Gloucester academy, is now part of the Ulster sub academy and at Queens, not sure if he is an Under 19 or Under 20.


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    Paul Smeenus
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Yeh, had been in the Gloucester academy, is now part of the Ulster sub academy and at Queens, not sure if he is an Under 19 or Under 20.

    Have heard good things about him. Never know though - people make such a big sentimentalist deal about fathers and sons in rugby, and it colours a lot of opinions. They ain't racehorses.

    Still, could be back to the future in a few years with a 9) Doak 10) Humphreys line-up at Ulster...


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    bayern
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    notable u20's not spotted:

    Tom Stewart(Hooker/Ulster)
    Joe McCarthy(Lock/Leinster)
    Darragh Murray(Lock/Connacht)
    Alex Soroka(Lock-Backrow/Leinster)
    Oisin McCormack(Backrow/Connacht)
    Diarmuid Byrne(Backrow/Connacht)
    Hubert Costello(Backrow/Connacht)
    Alex Kendellan(Backrow/Munster)
    Rueben Crothers(Backrow/Ulster)
    Nathan Doak(Scrumhalf/Ulster)
    Ben Murphy(Scrumhalf/Munster)
    Cathal Forde(Outhalf/Connacht)
    Tim Corkery(Outhalf/Leinster)
    Charlie Tector(Outhalf/Leinster)
    Dan Kelly(Centre)
    Karl Martin(Centre/Leinster)
    Ben Moxham(Centre/Ulster)
    Ben Carson(Centre/Ulster)
    Harry O'Riordan(Centre/Munster)
    Shane Jennings(Centre/Connacht)
    Aaron Leahy(Wing/Munster)
    Shane Mallon(Wing/Leinster)
    Conor Rankin(Fullback/Ulster)
    Jamie Osborne(Outside Back/Leinster)


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    Wegians89
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    bayern wrote: »
    notable u20's not spotted:

    Tom Stewart(Hooker)
    Joe McCarthy(Lock)
    Darragh Murray(Lock)
    Alex Soroka(Lock/Backrow)
    Oisin McCormack(Backrow)
    Diarmuid Byrne(Backrow)
    Hubert Costello(Backrow)
    Alex Kendellan(Backrow)
    Rueben Crothers(Backrow)
    Nathan Doak(Scrumhalf)
    Ben Murphy(Scrumhalf)
    Cathal Forde(Outhalf)
    Tim Corkery(Outhalf)
    Charlie Tector(Outhalf)
    Dan Kelly(Centre)
    Karl Martin(Centre)
    Ben Moxham(Centre)
    Ben Carson(Centre)
    Harry O'Riordan(Centre)
    Aaron Leahy(Wing)
    Shane Mallon(Wing)
    Conor Rankin(Fullback)
    Jamie Osborne(Outside Back)

    Shane Jennings? Were all these players playing with the A teams or is that a stretch?


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    Paul Smeenus
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    bayern wrote: »
    notable u20's not spotted:

    Tom Stewart(Hooker)
    Joe McCarthy(Lock)
    Darragh Murray(Lock)
    Alex Soroka(Lock/Backrow)
    Oisin McCormack(Backrow)
    Diarmuid Byrne(Backrow)
    Hubert Costello(Backrow)
    Alex Kendellan(Backrow)
    Rueben Crothers(Backrow)
    Nathan Doak(Scrumhalf)
    Ben Murphy(Scrumhalf)
    Cathal Forde(Outhalf)
    Tim Corkery(Outhalf)
    Charlie Tector(Outhalf)
    Dan Kelly(Centre)
    Karl Martin(Centre)
    Ben Moxham(Centre)
    Ben Carson(Centre)
    Harry O'Riordan(Centre)
    Aaron Leahy(Wing)
    Shane Mallon(Wing)
    Conor Rankin(Fullback)
    Jamie Osborne(Outside Back)

    Moxham was playing for Ulster against Connacht.


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    bayern
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Shane Jennings? Were all these players playing with the A teams or is that a stretch?

    there were players in camp who also played for the A's so not mutually exclusive.. imagine most were required by their province for training


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    Dubinusa
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    I thought Ben Murphy was with Leinster?


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    The Lost Sheep
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Shane Jennings? Were all these players playing with the A teams or is that a stretch?
    No a lot were not.
    Dubinusa wrote: »
    I thought Ben Murphy was with Leinster?
    He's in Leinster sub academy but played a Munster A game a few weeks back


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    bayern
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    No a lot were not.

    He's in Leinster sub academy but played a Munster A game a few weeks back

    He is not in the leinster sub academy.. he signed for Munster and has been training with them for weeks.. has also been named in their european squad.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    bayern wrote: »
    He is not in the leinster sub academy.. he signed for Munster and has been training with them for weeks.. has also been named in their european squad.
    was in. mistyped and he is only on loan.


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