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Ireland's Jewish community

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    The actions of DeValera and SF is a real betrayal given everything posted above.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Gerald Yael Goldberg (1912–2003), Cork-born solicitor, politician and writer, retained vivid childhood memories of the War of Independence and Civil War period, including the burning of central Cork by crown forces (during which his family had to leave their home temporarily). He attended the lyings‐in‐state of Tomàs MacCurtain and Terence MacSwiney both of whom he always revered. In later life he commissioned portraits of MacCurtain and MacSwiney for the City Hall while he was Lord Mayor. Goldberg also acquired a long-lasting respect for fellow Corkman Michael Collins after hearing him speak at a public meeting.....

    That reminds me I purchased some of Goldbergs library after he died.
    A bigger bunch of 80s feminist , pseudo intellectual , United Nations etc ****e you would be hard pressed to find , the only reason I held onto most of it was the odd gem and the EX-LIBRIS stamp on the inside cover.

    Im sure the man did alot for Cork , had a sincere heart and looked after everyone in the community but he certainly couldnt pick a book to take on summer holidays.
    May he RIP, or whatever it is you say


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,340 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I know but we have talmud the interpretations etc. Its basically the debates on the old testament by learned scholars passed orally then written down.

    Even if you are not religious its really interesting.

    Talmudic interpretation and the evolution of it really is fascinating.
    I remember reading about a document from Prague that was anottated over hundreds of years with rabbinical revisions and argument.
    Rabbi's separates by hundreds of years stated and framed their interpretations and you could read this and view the evolution of thought across the document.

    Then I read about similar in almost every town/city with a Jewish quarter...
    Then it dawned on me that even with what we still have, so much of philosophical and religious merit was lost from Europe along with the lives taken by Pogrom, Holocaust and intolerance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Helpful and insightful contribution. Well done :rolleyes:

    Thanks. Its good that you appreciate the truth


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    banie01 wrote: »
    Talmudic interpretation and the evolution of it really is fascinating.
    I remember reading about a document from Prague that was anottated over hundreds of years with rabbinical revisions and argument.
    Rabbi's separates by hundreds of years stated and framed their interpretations and you could read this and view the evolution of thought across the document.

    That's talmud.

    Its interpretation ..jews don't live by what is in the bible but by the interpretation of it in the talmud. For spiritual teaching they are constantly re-interpreting it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,340 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That's talmud.

    Its interpretation ..jews don't live by what is in the bible but by the interpretation of it in the talmud. For spiritual teaching they are constantly re-interpreting it.

    Which is the point I was making?
    The evolution and interpretation of the Torah in changing times has shaped the Talmud and the philosophy of adaptation is fascinating both from an historical and a sociological viewpoint.

    That the evolution of religious law beyond the commandments, and Leviticus is a constant thing, shaped by contemporary concerns rather than a dogmatic clinging to traditional interpretation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    Karl Marx.

    My brother knows him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    I'd say they vote for Fine Gael and the Labour party. I've seen Lenny Abrahamson come out with anti SF stuff before. Strikes me as a Labour voter.


    I'd say you'd find they will vote for whatever party most suits their political interests, just like the rest of us.


    My friend's brother-in-law is Jewish and would vote FF, or at least used to (before the crash).


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭Conor Bourke


    My brother knows him.

    I met him eating mushrooms in the People’s Park.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    I see some posts went off topic and talked of Nazi Germany.
    I personally rarely refer to them as Nazis, Id prefer to call it what it was, it was a GErman solution, voted for by the German people and acted on by the German people. Saying it was all the Nazis gives a undeserved free pass to the German people.
    For someone who claims to be a buff of the period your take is decidedly partisan and more Hollywood than fact and painting an entire nation under a totalitarian dictatorship in such terms is shabby indeed. The German people did not at any stage "vote" for the Final Solution. Even those of lower position who served within the inner circle of the orchestrators of this mass murder of all those they considered subhumans, Jews, gypsies, gays, Soviets, even "Arian" Germans who stood in their way, vanishingly few were privy to the realities. Why do you suppose the death camps were situated outside Germany? There was a reason for that.
    Ive a new book ready to read ,
    VICTOR POLETSKI – AUSCHWITZ – THE VOLUNTEER by Jake Fairweather..
    A polish jew who volunterred to be captured and taken into a camp in 1940 so he could get news out of what was going on.
    Everyone knew what was going on.
    He smuggled a note out in 1940 asking the RAF to bomb the camps and put people out of their misery.
    The RAF did consider it . ... bombing the camps that is....
    While he was the very definition of a hero, Witold Pilecki was not Jewish, he was a devout Catholic from a Polish aristocratic family. And "everyone" didn't know what was going on. Why do you think he volunteered for such a deathly dangerous task to pass as a Jew to see for himself and then tell the world what was going on?

    So yeah, maybe hone your facts first?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Sure they run the central bank. So of course we all know them


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Sure they run the central bank. So of course we all know them

    Edgy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Stevieluvsye Sure they run the central bank. So of course we all know them

    Interestingly the biggest whistle blower on the banks was an Israeli Jew living in Ireland

    Jonathon Sugarman.



    Joan Burton later had the audacity to refer to him as 'That Jew'.



    He lost everything for speaking up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭fiveleavesleft


    Interestingly the biggest whistle blower on the banks was an Israeli Jew living in Ireland

    Jonathon Sugarman.



    Joan Burton later had the audacity to refer to him as 'That Jew'.

    :D:D I was actually typing his name when I see you got in ahead of me. Admirable man, despised by FF & FG & treated deplorably:(.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Any Jewish presenters on RTE?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 Datuk Vaderthir


    :D:D I was actually typing his name when I see you got in ahead of me. Admirable man, despised by FF & FG & treated deplorably:(.

    I've no idea personally why Jews are demonised. They do tend to have a tendency to look at the collective whole, the welfare of the whole, rather than their own individual welfare, and thats no bad thing. Thats not just Jewish welfare, its the welfare of mankind as a whole.

    Its why I find racism and fascism such abhorrent ideologies.

    Granted, you've got a few dodgy characters, but they exist in every society.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    branie2 wrote: »
    Any Jewish presenters on RTE?
    No.

    Not unless you count George hook but he converted to Catholicism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Thanks, anyway


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    It is common knowledge of which family control the majority of the banking systems worldwide.

    There is a huge amount of gold kept in this country again controlled by same.

    Slightly off topic

    Why do the yanks give these fcuks the time of day? I wonder. Well I don’t wonder but you get me


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    I don’t know any Irish Jews. Well I’ve met Alan Shatter a few times, but more hearing him speak in a professional capacity than getting to know him. From reading some of the posts here it shows I know very little about the contribution that such a small community has made to Irish civic society. Amazing.

    The Wikipedia article about the Ashkenazi Jews shows how much the value of community and education means to a much maligned community.

    While they make up about 2% of the U.S. population and 0.1% of the world population,[131] 27% of United States Nobel prize winners in the 20th century,[131] 25% of Fields Medal winners,[132] 25% of ACM Turing Award winners,[131] 50% of the world's chess champions,[131] including 8% of the top 100 world chess players,[133] and 25% of Westinghouse Science Talent Search winners[132] have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.

    And also they gave us Larry David.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,340 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It is common knowledge of which family control the majority of the banking systems worldwide.

    There is a huge amount of gold kept in this country again controlled by same.

    Slightly off topic

    Why do the yanks give these fcuks the time of day? I wonder. Well I don’t wonder but you get me

    I don't tho :(

    Could you explain it to me?
    In some kind of non sectarian detail please?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    banie01 wrote: »
    I don't tho :(

    Could you explain it to me?
    In some kind of non sectarian detail please?

    Rothschild family.

    Between central banks, gold bullion, horse breeding, oil and gas plus many more ventures.

    Nobody truly knows what they are worth.

    Why does America supply Israel with their most state of the art equipment?

    They could obliterate any country in the world if they needed to but choose to give a few thousand square mile region the best of what they have.

    America isn’t worried about any of those middle eastern countries but what they care most about is their own economy


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    No.

    Not unless you count George hook but he converted to Catholicism.

    Wow, I hadn't known that about Hook.

    Stop now or you'll have me starting to respect him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Wow, I hadn't known that about Hook.

    Stop now or you'll have me starting to respect him.


    You really don't need to worry about the chances of that happening.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/im-never-going-to-do-a-nazi-salute-again-promises-hook-36331313.html
    I'm never going to do a Nazi salute again,' promises Hook

    On the Nolan Live BBC television show in Belfast, he referred to cyclists as wearing “brown shirts” and said they sang the Nazi anthem. He then raised his arm in a Nazi salute.
    The Jewish Representative Council of Ireland said he was “absolutely wrong” to use such language, as it diminished the atrocities of the Nazis.



    The group’s spokesman accepted Hook “was not anti-Semitic in anyway whatsoever.”
    Following the criticism yesterday, Hook told the Herald he did not mean to cause offence to Jewish people.

    And yep he was born into a Jewish family and converted.

    Idiot. For many reasons though not the least to do with this lets be honest. Not a nice man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 nuyil simp


    It is common knowledge of which family control the majority of the banking systems worldwide.

    There is a huge amount of gold kept in this country again controlled by same.

    the swiss?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,340 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    nuyil simp wrote: »
    the swiss?

    Even when it was the Rothschilds...
    I knew those toblerone munching mountain dwellers were behind it!
    Like dwarves sitting on their piles of gold!


    Am I doing this right?
    Is it the Swiss!?
    Haven't trusted them bankers since they started sharing deposit info with the relevant authorities! :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    I've no idea personally why Jews are demonised. They do tend to have a tendency to look at the collective whole, the welfare of the whole, rather than their own individual welfare, and thats no bad thing. Thats not just Jewish welfare, its the welfare of mankind as a whole.

    Maybe it's because it seems like every time people look at the news there's some Jew acting the maggot when it comes to money. Even a quick browse of major events of the last few weeks will give you plenty of examples such as British Steel, Arcadia Group, Jared Kushner and his father, the Netanyahus, the Glazers at Man Utd, Jeffrey Epstein and his "procurer" Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert etc.
    Here's a few more characters from the recent past you might have missed:
    https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/crime-court/charities-laundered-10m-through-fake-viagra-sales-1-6153522
    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/04/05/miami-beach-healthcare-exec-philip-esformes-convicted-of-1-billion-medicare-fraud/
    https://www.nj.com/ocean/2017/07/meet_the_26_charged_in_lakewood_fraud_probe_who_th.html

    Go back further and the list is as long as your arm-Madoff, Milken, Belfort and so on. Go ahead and call me antisemitic...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 Datuk Vaderthir


    sabat wrote: »
    Maybe it's because it seems like every time people look at the news there's some Jew acting the maggot when it comes to money. Even a quick browse of major events of the last few weeks will give you plenty of examples such as British Steel, Arcadia Group, Jared Kushner and his father, the Netanyahus, the Glazers at Man Utd, Jeffrey Epstein and his "procurer" Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert etc.
    Here's a few more characters from the recent past you might have missed:




    Go back further and the list is as long as your arm-Madoff, Milken, Belfort and so on. Go ahead and call me antisemitic...

    Well its proof they've got brains, unlike another mob whose only contribution in the last century has been the invention of the Suicide Bomber.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 nuyil simp


    Well its proof they've got brains, unlike another mob whose only contribution in the last century has been the invention of the Suicide Bomber.

    the Japanese?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭NoteAgent


    Rothschild family.

    Between central banks, gold bullion, horse breeding, oil and gas plus many more ventures.

    Nobody truly knows what they are worth.

    Why does America supply Israel with their most state of the art equipment?

    They could obliterate any country in the world if they needed to but choose to give a few thousand square mile region the best of what they have.

    America isn’t worried about any of those middle eastern countries but what they care most about is their own economy

    The central banks aren't a "company" as such. For example, the Central Bank of Ireland acts as a service to the main pillar banks and as a sort of personal bank to the Irish Government. Any profit that is made is paid out in the form of a dividend to the government - and therefore the taxpayer.

    The FED in the US is a little bit different. It is actually owned by the main US banks (Well Fargo, Bank of NY, BOA, JP Morgan, etc). And who owns those US banks? Well there shares are available to buy and sell by any Joe Soap so the public own those banks. Therefore the public own the FED.

    People call the FED privately owned but what they mean is that its not owned/run by the government.

    But it probably adds more excitement to your life to believe some basement dweller making conspiracy videos ;)


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