BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

D14Rugby · 01-08-2019 10:54am

cgcsb wrote: »

The bit of Grange Road that's being significantly widened there under the cbc project? Also, as you stated, the latest iteration of bus connects has it terminating at nutgrove instead.

It's not being significantly widened, or at least not significantly in my book, nowhere near enough to cope with parked buses. As I said Nutgrove is same problem just slightly further up the road

magicbastarder · 17-08-2019 3:31pm

North Dublin to face increased vehicle congestion at evening peak

Car commuters on Dublin’s northside face increased traffic jams during the evening rush hour under proposals to save mature trees in Glasnevin as part of the BusConnects project.

The National Transport Authority (NTA) had proposed felling 140 trees to facilitate two-way segregated bus lanes on St Mobhi Road as part of the core bus corridor from Ballymun to the city centre.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/north-dublin-to-face-increased-vehicle-congestion-at-evening-peak-1.3988675

CatInABox · 17-08-2019 5:00pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

North Dublin to face increased vehicle congestion at evening peak

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/north-dublin-to-face-increased-vehicle-congestion-at-evening-peak-1.3988675

Ah yes, the classic "no, we don't want that", followed closely by "no, we don't want that either".

cgcsb · 19-08-2019 9:53am

magicbastarder wrote: »

North Dublin to face increased vehicle congestion at evening peak

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/north-dublin-to-face-increased-vehicle-congestion-at-evening-peak-1.3988675

What a bizzar headline. The entire article is about diversions for motorists and a claim that they'd 'have to' go through X route instead. No mention of the fact that those motorists could instead take the bus and save those few minutes.

CatInABox · 19-08-2019 11:13am

cgcsb wrote: »

What a bizzar headline. The entire article is about diversions for motorists and a claim that they'd 'have to' go through X route instead. No mention of the fact that those motorists could instead take the bus and save those few minutes.

Yeah, or the fact that they'll face increased traffic regardless of BusConnects, what with the amount that Dublin is projected to grow over the next 10 years.

thenightman · 19-08-2019 9:27pm

Why torture yourselves lads? BusConnects in it's intended form is dead, a half baked hodge podge will be introduced way behind the projected schedule that will probably be worse than the service it's replacing. Like every Irish public transport improvement project, it has been infected by the usual ailments of being meddled with by every residents committee and self serving TD imaginable, and shown it's place in the pecking order well behind private motorists. Sad & incredibly maddening, but entirely inevitable.

cgcsb · 19-08-2019 10:02pm

thenightman wrote: »

Why torture yourselves lads? BusConnects in it's intended form is dead, a half baked hodge podge will be introduced way behind the projected schedule that will probably be worse than the service it's replacing. Like every Irish public transport improvement project, it has been infected by the usual ailments of being meddled with by every residents committee and self serving TD imaginable, and shown it's place in the pecking order well behind private motorists. Sad & incredibly maddening, but entirely inevitable.

I dunno it seems that Mary Fitzpatrick, the patron saint of stupid causes, is the only real politician band wagonningon the mobhi road 'do nothing' scenario.

Lord Glentoran · 20-08-2019 11:22am

thenightman wrote: »

Why torture yourselves lads? BusConnects in it's intended form is dead, a half baked hodge podge will be introduced way behind the projected schedule that will probably be worse than the service it's replacing. Like every Irish public transport improvement project, it has been infected by the usual ailments of being meddled with by every residents committee and self serving TD imaginable, and shown it's place in the pecking order well behind private motorists. Sad & incredibly maddening, but entirely inevitable.

As long as those making the decisions, reporting on same, and were constantly brought to school and college in private cars, nothing will change.

Peregrine · 17-09-2019 10:04pm

From the Swords Road community forum:

They're going with a two way layout for Swords Road in Santry. Possibility of putting in segregated cycling junctions (seeing this at every meeting). Dorset Street could have a car traffic lane removed at parts.

Most people at the meeting were asking to get rid of cars. To the point where their views were more extreme than the NTA's. A surprising change.

Qrt · 17-09-2019 10:32pm

Peregrine wrote: »

From the Swords Road community forum:

They're going with a two way layout for Swords Road in Santry. Possibility of putting in segregated cycling junctions (seeing this at every meeting). Dorset Street could have car traffic lanes removed at parts.

Most people at the meeting were asking to get rid of cars. To the point where their views were more extreme than the NTA's. A surprising change.

Leave it to the more working-class areas to have a bit of cop on.

Peregrine · 17-09-2019 11:41pm

Qrt wrote: »

Leave it to the more working-class areas to have a bit of cop on.

Haha. It's worth pointing out that they also overwhelmingly chose to widen the road in Santry. 85% of the submissions were about that section and 58% of those wanted to widen the road while 12% wanted the one way layout they proposed.

But most people at the meeting itself wanted the cars gone. Especially the inner city residents. Someone must have really pushed people to make submissions on that section.

CatInABox · 18-09-2019 7:58am

Peregrine wrote: »

Haha. It's worth pointing out that they also overwhelmingly chose to widen the road in Santry. 85% of the submissions were about that section and 58% of those wanted to widen the road while 12% wanted the one way layout they proposed.

But most people at the meeting itself wanted the cars gone. Especially the inner city residents. Someone must have really pushed people to make submissions on that section.

They're only going to get more vocal as well. Once people start realising exactly how much more dangerous the fumes from cars are than we previously thought, those inside the canals will be screaming for change.

Macy0161 · 18-09-2019 12:10pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Ah yes, the classic "no, we don't want that", followed closely by "no, we don't want that either".

Now we're back (approaching, not close) to peak traffic time, the traffic has come up in the office... How there's no plan, and I have no choice but the car. I did point out we did have a plan, called bus connects, but that is being scuppered.

Qrt · 18-09-2019 4:39pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

Now we're back (approaching, not close) to peak traffic time, the traffic has come up in the office... How there's no plan, and I have no choice but the car. I did point out we did have a plan, called bus connects, but that is being scuppered.

How was the response?

average_runner · 19-09-2019 3:13pm

How does the bus connect plan to handle the quays as this is our current bottle neck in the mornings?

Regarding Lucan, the bus connect offers no improvement which is sad really. Both buses going the same way through a housing estate that can't cope with it

sharper · 19-09-2019 4:40pm

average_runner wrote: »

Regarding Lucan, the bus connect offers no improvement which is sad really. Both buses going the same way through a housing estate that can't cope with it

Are you talking about a particular route? There are improvements for Lucan in BusConnects https://www.busconnects.ie/media/1356/busconnects-cbc6-lucan-to-city-centre-final-for-web-med-res.pdf

average_runner · 19-09-2019 4:52pm

sharper wrote: »

Are you talking about a particular route? There are improvements for Lucan in BusConnects https://www.busconnects.ie/media/1356/busconnects-cbc6-lucan-to-city-centre-final-for-web-med-res.pdf

Not really any changes at all in fairness, the same issues will still apply.

We will still get blocked by all the traffic currently on the quays.

Basically 2 buses in lucan doing the same route, what a waste and bus lanes between griffeen and penyhill still not getting used

We already have a bus lane all the way into town, adding a bus lane to the exit at woodies on the way home is good.

sharper · 19-09-2019 5:04pm

The work at Liffey Valley junction should help, it's a chokepoint in the morning peak.

All of the 66/67 replacement routes will bypass Chapelizod which gives Lucan more direct busses.

I didn't look into what routes the 25a/b/ds get replaced with but you see what happens when someone's direct bus is lost.

TheIrishGrover · 19-09-2019 5:17pm

thenightman wrote: »

Why torture yourselves lads? BusConnects in it's intended form is dead, a half baked hodge podge will be introduced way behind the projected schedule that will probably be worse than the service it's replacing. Like every Irish public transport improvement project, it has been infected by the usual ailments of being meddled with by every residents committee and self serving TD imaginable, and shown it's place in the pecking order well behind private motorists. Sad & incredibly maddening, but entirely inevitable.

Shocker! Who'd have thunk it?

average_runner · 19-09-2019 7:40pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Shocker! Who'd have thunk it?

Its not a solution but instead a PR stunt. Like when someone's belt doesn't fit, put an extra hole in it.

We don't address the problem.

Varta · 19-09-2019 8:02pm

sharper wrote: »

The work at Liffey Valley junction should help, it's a chokepoint in the morning peak.

All of the 66/67 replacement routes will bypass Chapelizod which gives Lucan more direct busses.

I didn't look into what routes the 25a/b/ds get replaced with but you see what happens when someone's direct bus is lost.

Which is why Chapelizod's growing population is up in arms.

sharper · 19-09-2019 10:14pm

Varta wrote: »

Which is why Chapelizod's growing population is up in arms.

Maynooth also has a growing population as does Lucan so you can see where the problems start. One of the other things the population of Chapelizod complain about is all the full busses going past them.

In the original plan Chapelizod got a dedicated bus route which I think was further improved based on some of the leaked information.

BusConnects or not there's no way that area can retain having so many buses that are actually going elsewhere travelling through it when there's a bypass.

Kfagan10 · 19-09-2019 11:17pm

Varta wrote: »

Which is why Chapelizod's growing population is up in arms.

Chapo will have the existing 26 route (renamed) serving it. Maybe a few people from Liffey Valley or the Ballyfermot end of Palmerstown will use this, but most of Palmerstown will take the more direct buses that use the quicker N4 route to town.

They are building steps up from below the N4 as well similar to those by the Spa hotel, so people on that edge of chapo can access the N4 buses too.

Better in my opinion than standing outside the primary school for half an hour in the morning as full buses leave you behind.

If only this was clearly explained to residents before the pitchforks come out.

Peregrine · 20-09-2019 1:18am

Peregrine wrote: »

From the Swords Road community forum:

They're going with a two way layout for Swords Road in Santry. Possibility of putting in segregated cycling junctions (seeing this at every meeting). Dorset Street could have a car traffic lane removed at parts.

Most people at the meeting were asking to get rid of cars. To the point where their views were more extreme than the NTA's. A surprising change.

Once again, a lot of calls to get rid of cars at the Finglas + Ballymun Road meeting this evening. Not to same level as Swords Rd but the residents of Phibsborough, Broadstone etc. wanted to restrict cars. One woman felt the need to 'stick up for motorists' towards the end because it was all about cycling, pedestrian spaces and bus priority.

The NTA are not keen on large scale car restrictions until Bus Connects is finished.

Mobhi Road will become a two way local access road. The trees won't be cut down.

Shedite27 · 20-09-2019 8:56am

Peregrine wrote: »

Mobhi Road will become a two way local access road. The trees won't be cut down.

What does that mean? It's already 2 way road, are they blocking through traffic somewhere to make it local access??

Qrt · 20-09-2019 8:58am

Shedite27 wrote: »

What does that mean? It's already 2 way road, are they blocking through traffic somewhere to make it local access??

I saw something about a bus gate.

loyatemu · 20-09-2019 9:01am

Qrt wrote: »

I saw something about a bus gate.

Bus Gate at the northern end, only in the afternoons/evenings.

Macy0161 · 20-09-2019 9:17am

Qrt wrote: »

How was the response?

Started going on about rail instead. Rail is the default excuse of people who won't get a bus, so don't see it as at least part of the solution.

magicbastarder · 20-09-2019 9:59am

https://twitter.com/StreetsblogDen/status/1171569059898376194

Peregrine · 20-09-2019 10:14am

loyatemu wrote: »

Bus Gate at the northern end, only in the afternoons/evenings.

This. You can drive up to the last house but not through the gyratory. The lane turns into a bus gate just before Griffith Avenue.

I think they said 7am-7pm though. My memory is a little hazy now. Anyway, those details will be ironed out later on.

Full bus lane southbound until Botanic Avenue as now.

BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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