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Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

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    #92
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    So this was the event from someone the media calls an influencer(Jess Brennan) however she does not have many followers so I'm not sure that title is correct.

    EfjPJx2XoAAxr2n?format=png&name=small

    Pure GUBU.


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    #93
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    sabat wrote: »
    What the f*ck happened to you people? Grassing people up to the fun police as we descend into a joyless dystopia.
    Yeah, I mean it's not like there's a pandemic or something - it's just to ruin people's fun! (Who "grassed" anyone up? And also, this isn't the east end of London).

    Seriously though, I get people being only human - the younger they are especially, but this pretence that it's over nothing, and that it's just a ploy to oppress us... bizarre that even now the seriousness of the virus is not recognised. For sure I've had my moments of wondering whether it was over hyped, but all I have to do is look at the global figures and the effects of the virus (not just on old/ill people).

    Taking too many liberties may cause prolonging of the restrictions - that's what people's issue is. Nothing to do with being old or boring etc. Much more to do with not wanting delays in getting back to some form of normality. And also people have loved ones who are old/ill/immunocompromised.

    The "I don't know of anyone who got it" crowd would do well to step back and consider the above at times. This is a society - it's not only about them.


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    #94
    Bobblehats
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Pure GUBU.

    F*ck did I just read


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    #95
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    "Admish", "Fash".. :(
    Off to the trialvilly annoying tread I go...

    To answer OP - It should at the very least be closed down with the non food serving pubs, restaurant or not.


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    #96
    petronius
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    I think they should be punished perhaps and made an example of - suspend the licence to serve food for a few weeks until the other pubs can open.
    But also the people in there knew they were breaking the rules - alcohol and social distancing just dont mix


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    #97
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,807 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    I'm really glad that the LVA, an organisation that bitterly opposed anti-smoking and anti-drink driving legislation is been given so much airtime about public health issues. :rolleyes:

    Exactly the second they commit an opinion to print or the pubic airwaves it’s just “ heahh yeah sure “. They have about as much credibility as an armed robber since they are intent on holding the health and wellbeing of this country and its citizens to ransom, it’s good for them that it’s a pretty established democracy here because I’d imagine a few people could be paying a little home visit if we we were living in some communist backwater.... either way I wouldn’t be disappointed, if this thing did come back in a serious manner with scores of infections and more deaths and pubs a backdrop for infections and spread you might be surprised what might happen, people have had enough of this bullying and ballyraging from fûckers like the LVA and other self interest groups...


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    #98
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    petronius wrote: »
    I think they should be punished perhaps and made an example of - suspend the licence to serve food for a few weeks until the other pubs can open.
    But also the people in there knew they were breaking the rules - alcohol and social distancing just dont mix

    Will considering no such punishment exists, that's not an option.

    Simple reality, yes it should be punished. There's bars still closed and both owners and stay out of pocket but this gob****e is open. It will push opening all bars back further as it is because the rules aren't being enforced.


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    #99
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Even without the covid situation I can’t see how serving uncontrolled measures of liquor by pouring them directly into people’s mouths would be compatible with normal pub licensing here anyway.


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    #100
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    Even without the covid situation I can’t see how serving uncontrolled measures of liquor by pouring them directly into people’s mouths would be compatible with normal pub licensing here anyway.

    **** sake


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    #101
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Being honest, the dancing on the bar like a twat and pouring tequila wouldn't bother me (have seen people being laughed down many times), but when everybody (almost worldwide) are restricted to social distancing, and whatever percentage of pubs in Ireland are forced to keep their businesses closed for an indefinite time or risk their licence, this really smacks of laughing in their faces.
    There is no way in hell that they didn't know that they were risking their business being shutdown and possibly losing their licence. They obviously thought it might be worth it.


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    #102
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    Suckit wrote: »
    Being honest, the dancing on the bar like a twat and pouring tequila wouldn't bother me (have seen people being laughed down many times), but when everybody (almost worldwide) are restricted to social distancing, and whatever percentage of pubs in Ireland are forced to keep their businesses closed for an indefinite time or risk their licence, this really smacks of laughing in their faces.
    There is no way in hell that they didn't know that they were risking their business being shutdown and possibly losing their licence. They obviously thought it might be worth it.

    The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.


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    #103
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I couldn't see my parents for four ****ing months because I'm an essential worker, and every second of that is cancelled out dozens of times over because of these absolute bellends.

    Close it down with everybody who was in the video still inside, and pave the ****ing place over.


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    #104
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.
    I don't believe the rogue barman thing.

    The owner has been known to bend/break the law for his own gain in the past. Also, I think he initially tried to fob it off until the short video surfaced, then said it was '20 seconds of madness'.. :rolleyes:


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    #105
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    completedit wrote: »
    **** sake

    Well it isn’t. Irish licensing laws are very tight around control of mesures. You’re also not allowed to do happy hour drinks promos and a whole load of other things.

    In the context of the coronavirus pandemic, what was going on was crazy, but even outside of that it would raise a few questions.

    Seems very reasonable that they should just be shut down. If other bar/restaurants and other businesses are bending over backwards to apply social distancing, this kind of stuff is what will ends up causing the entire sector to be at risk of being closed again if operators aren’t going to manage risk.

    My view is it is that if a venue is unable or unwilling to be sensible about this, don’t bother opening.


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    #106
    Hangdogroad
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Saw the clip. Was fairly stupid what the guy was doing.

    Not sure it's fair on the owner to loose the licence because of some dumbass employee.

    But it is a kick in the teeth for frontline workers and all those obeying the restrictions and following guidance.
    Owner is Jay Bourke, with his history I'm surprised he was given the license in the first place.


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    #107
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Suckit wrote: »
    I don't believe the rogue barman thing.

    The owner has been known to bend/break the law for his own gain in the past. Also, I think he initially tried to fob it off until the short video surfaced, then said it was '20 seconds of madness'.. :rolleyes:

    There was a fella on Virgin News last week lashing the government and he's been flouting the guidelines as well. The dogs in the street know it.

    I was in another pub where they served a meal but left us as long as we liked.

    There are tonnes of pubs/restaurants flouting the rules and everyone knows it. You give an inch and they take a mile by and large. The government know that too and can't police it. They know the guidelines out there will have an effect but will never be implemented to anything like the degree they should be.

    This is why they can't open wet pubs. It'd turn into a free for all in many places.


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    #108
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    F*ck did I just read

    Too many kids on this website.

    Grotesque
    Unbelievable
    Bizarre
    Unprecedented


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    #109
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.

    In one of the videos the barman gives a shot of the bottle to somebody behind him. I’m sure that’s behind the bar so had to be another member of staff he gave it to.


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    #110
    [Deleted User]
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    The globe is as bad. They lock the doors at 10. Then people can party in the nightclub bit downstairs, no masks, no social distancing.


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    #111
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A large proportion of customers weren't wearing masks. No distancing, alcohol being poured straight into people's mouths. You'd be making leaps if you're claiming that they weren't violating the guidelines by a pretty large margin.

    Is there any fool out there who believes the guy on MI this morning that this was only “20 seconds”.

    To me he seemed to be treating the whole thing as a joke.

    “The bar an was ....naughty”. FFS !!

    Compliant and responsible publicans are rightly up in arms.

    Needs to be taught a lesson.


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    #112
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    dotsman wrote: »
    In the absence of safe, well run pubs being allowed to open by the government, I wouldn't punish any pub for opening in whatever manner. What we see in this clip, and all the house-parties and field sessions are exactly what an intelligent person would expect to happen in this era of prohibition.

    Throughout the summer, when a young/fun person has gone out to socialise and have even a bit of fun, they are hoping to find a venue that will break the rules. Why? Because the rules are stupid and unworkable (€9 food and 105 minutes are exactly the kind of rules that a bureaucrat that has never had fun would dream up of). Instead, all pubs should be open, with the government working with them to ensure low-risk environments (seating-only, decent distance between each table, tables/chairs out on the streets, strict table-service, strict hygiene of bar staff etc). Allow people to have fun in a safe way, and they won't need to pursue risky activities that we see in the clip.

    P.S. threads like this highlight how many old/dull people there are on boards :D

    People who enjoy breaking the rules enjoy breaking the rules; doesn't matter how reasonable they are, the thrill they get is from breaking them. If people like this weren't around and didn't have apologists like yourself trying to make their behaviour out to be okay we would be able to open more broadly and simply eject people like this from our establishments. Take one of the rules you've listed up there; "seating only". That's a reasonable rule, right? You've listed it as such. Yet it's clearly being broken in the video. Clearly, to them, having fun isn't sitting at a table with your mates all night so they would break the rules in your scenario too.

    If the rules weren't as strict as they are we'd be seeing a lot worse and a lot more of this kind of behaviour.


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    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Hangdogroad wrote: »
    Owner is Jay Bourke, with his history I'm surprised he was given the license in the first place.

    What history? Genuinely interested as I've never heard of him.


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    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    There was a fella on Virgin News last week lashing the government and he's been flouting the guidelines as well. The dogs in the street know it.

    I was in another pub where they served a meal but left us as long as we liked.

    There are tonnes of pubs/restaurants flouting the rules and everyone knows it. You give an inch and they take a mile by and large. The government know that too and can't police it. They know the guidelines out there will have an effect but will never be implemented to anything like the degree they should be.

    This is why they can't open wet pubs. It'd turn into a free for all in many places.

    This post tells it like it is. Yet you continually see people posting here on boards with the "I don't know what type of pubs you're drinking in" rhetoric when people call out that wet pubs will be chaos when they open.


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    #115
    pauliebdub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    No it shouldn't, are we going to get hysterical reactions every time young people are filmed having fun. What a bunch of miserable whingers - I'm not the other one tired of the climate of fear and hysteria that's been created about covid 19. We need to live with the virus and try and get on with our lives.


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    NIMAN
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    Definitely needs to be punished somehow.

    Why should the rest of us follow rules and let arseholes do what they want?


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    L1011
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    Brock Turnpike wrote: »
    What history? Genuinely interested as I've never heard of him.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/jay-bourke-has-disqualification-extended-to-7-years-1.3157901

    Owned CafeBarDeli and other pubs including, aptly for this, GUBU.


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    #118
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Not sure it's fair on the owner to loose the licence because of some dumbass employee.

    I'd say its fair after hearing him on the radio this morning.


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    [Deleted User]
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    What did he say?


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    #120
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    pauliebdub wrote: »
    No it shouldn't, are we going to get hysterical reactions every time young people are filmed having fun. What a bunch of miserable whingers - I'm not the other one tired of the climate of fear and hysteria that's been created about covid 19. We need to live with the virus and try and get on with our lives.

    You mean pretend as though it doesn't exist? What could go wrong...:rolleyes:


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    #121
    The Nal
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    The real crime I thought was the music


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