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12-02-2019, 11:20   #46
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Hi I can offer clarification. The need for it to go to external air IS in fact from the private rented regulations. Not some mystical HAP standards. Thr wording from The Housing (Standards for Rented Houses) Regulations 2017 is:
Suitable facilities for the effective and safe removal of fumes TO THE EXTERNAL AIR by means of a cooker hood or extractor fan.

There is only one set of regulations regarding housing standards. The crap that people spout about special rules for HAP tenants is misleading, wrong and possibly harmful. The issue is that a HAP property has to be inspected within a certain time frame and is therefore prioritised.
With current resources and the amount of HAP coming online, it makes it less and less likely that a non HAP property will be inspected.
Have a look at the highlighted sections in post #35 again. If they're not different, then why do they specify that one is min standards for rental accommodation and the other is min standards for local authority tenants/housing.

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The filter in the hood just needs to be changed, costs about 3-4 euro and takes about 2 minutes.
I'll pm the inspectors number and you can explain that to him.
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12-02-2019, 11:39   #47
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Oh I see the confusion, I can explain that too!

That doesn't refer to HAP or Private rented tenants.
It's a different derogation purely for people receiving housing under exceptional circumstances such as those housed by an approved body like FOCUS or Stepping stone etc or directly by the council.

It wouldn't apply to this situation.
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Oh I see the confusion, I can explain that too!

That doesn't refer to HAP or Private rented tenants.
It's a different derogation purely for people receiving housing under exceptional circumstances such as those housed by an approved body like FOCUS or Stepping stone etc or directly by the council.

It wouldn't apply to this situation.
I'm not with you. I'm quoting the Minimum Standards for Rented Accommodation in Ireland. What other standards are there?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...standards.html
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Have a look at the highlighted sections in post #35 again. If they're not different, then why do they specify that one is min standards for rental accommodation and the other is min standards for local authority tenants/housing.


I'll pm the inspectors number and you can explain that to him.
I'd be confident he doesn't need that explained to him.
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I'd be confident he doesn't need that explained to him.
He obviously does if all you think I need to do is change the filter in the hood
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He obviously does if all you think I need to do is change the filter in the hood
I just read back and see that your cooker is not on an external wall. Lol.
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I'm not with you. I'm quoting the Minimum Standards for Rented Accommodation in Ireland. What other standards are there?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...standards.html

Only regulation 7(1) to 7(4) applies to You, including that the extraction needs to go outside as that is regulation 7(2)(b)

This part below is from regulation 7(5) of the regulations and does not apply to you. It is relaxed standards for particular situations involving approved housing bodies or where the council is a landlord under the Housing Act 1966 - 2004 (regulation 6 of these regs.)
I only mentioned this as you had it highlighted in the post you told me to read. I honestly am just trying to help!

"For dwellings rented from local authorities and approved housing bodies, the relevant requirements are in Article 7 of the Housing (Standards for Rented Houses) Regulations 1993. This Article requires the landlord to provide facilities for:...#"
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Only regulation 7(1) to 7(4) applies to You, including that the extraction needs to go outside as that is regulation 7(2)(b)

This part below is from regulation 7(5) of the regulations and does not apply to you. It is relaxed standards for particular situations involving approved housing bodies or where the council is a landlord under the Housing Act 1966 - 2004 (regulation 6 of these regs.)
I only mentioned this as you had it highlighted in the post you told me to read. I honestly am just trying to help!

"For dwellings rented from local authorities and approved housing bodies, the relevant requirements are in Article 7 of the Housing (Standards for Rented Houses) Regulations 1993. This Article requires the landlord to provide facilities for:...#"
I know you're trying to help but I can't see how you are reading this properly. The above highlighted bit is the bit they want me to rectify as my cooker hood is not on an outside wall. If it was a private tenant the regs say that a Cooker hood or extractor fan will suffice. The hood does not necessarily have to be on an outside wall. I'm going to bow out of the thread now because I can't explain it any better. If the inspector gets back to me I'll update with his findings.
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I know you're trying to help but I can't see how you are reading this properly. The above highlighted bit is the bit they want me to rectify as my cooker hood is not on an outside wall. If it was a private tenant the regs say that a Cooker hood or extractor fan will suffice. The hood does not necessarily have to be on an outside wall. I'm going to bow out of the thread now because I can't explain it any better. If the inspector gets back to me I'll update with his findings.
Was I not straight forward? I wrote down word for word what it says!

Regulation 7 (2)(b) of the Housing (Standards for Rented houses) regulations 2017.

"Suitable facilities for the effective and safe removal of fumes TO THE EXTERNAL AIR by means of a cooker hood or extractor fan."

That's the reg for all tenancies HAP or Private. It's written like that black and white. Not special for HAP. I am sitting here with the actual regulations printed in front of me. Private rental will need the fumes to go outside too! 😂
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I know you're trying to help but I can't see how you are reading this properly. The above highlighted bit is the bit they want me to rectify as my cooker hood is not on an outside wall. If it was a private tenant the regs say that a Cooker hood or extractor fan will suffice. The hood does not necessarily have to be on an outside wall. I'm going to bow out of the thread now because I can't explain it any better. If the inspector gets back to me I'll update with his findings.
In the name of God above in heaven how could a cooker hood that is not vented to the outside pass any inspection by anyone?

Where do the fumes go?

Do you seriously think a cooker hood recycling fumes into the room is good enough for someone renting a property in this day and age?

Some people are just not meant to be landlords.
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In the name of God above in heaven how could a cooker hood that is not vented to the outside pass any inspection by anyone?

Where do the fumes go?

Do you seriously think a cooker hood recycling fumes into the room is good enough for someone renting a property in this day and age?

Some people are just not meant to be landlords.
That a bit unfair. I didn't build the place or any any of the other 50 that are here and they all complied with building regulations at the time. It's an open plan kitchen come dining room with plenty of ventilation. It's not like anyone is going to smother!
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A Prohibtion Notice would be the ultimate sanction. You wouldn't be able to let again under HAP.
If another HAP tenant wanted to rent the property in that situation, would the LL be ok to say sorry but the council will not approve it for HAP tenants? Where would that leave a LL as they are not allowed to refuse a HAP tenant?
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If another HAP tenant wanted to rent the property in that situation, would the LL be ok to say sorry but the council will not approve it for HAP tenants? Where would that leave a LL as they are not allowed to refuse a HAP tenant?
Once again the regs in this case are for all rented accommodation, not just HAP.

A prohibition notice means the property by law can not be rented to anybody. Also a prohibition notice comes with a much higher risk of prosecution by the council.
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In the name of God above in heaven how could a cooker hood that is not vented to the outside pass any inspection by anyone?

Where do the fumes go?

Do you seriously think a cooker hood recycling fumes into the room is good enough for someone renting a property in this day and age?

Some people are just not meant to be landlords.

We bought a house, went to put in a new extractor. Realised that all it was doing for 10 years was making noise. It wasn't connected to a hose therefore not connected to the outside

Some people are just not meant to be builders

AND in our rental apartment we found the builders had sealed the extractor on the roof with masking tape! Yes you read that right

Some people are definitely not meant to be builders!
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[QUOTE=Rows Grower;109404230]In the name of God above in heaven how could a cooker hood that is not vented to the outside pass any inspection by anyone?

Where do the fumes go?

/QUOTE]

They're called re circulation extractors.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...home-1.2855073
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