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Doorman abuse

  • 21-10-2019 11:20pm
    #1
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,242 ✭✭✭✭


    Friend of mine was assaulted by a doorman in a regular haunt on Saturday, wrist twist behind the back, thrown against the bar and glasses, New jacket ripped

    Went to garda report it, said can't take interview now as to drunk (4 pints) but fair enough. He will be back on duty on Thursday to take the interview, bar said don't worry the video will be wiped in the morning
    This guy is 5 foot nothing and not a pick on him and wouldnt say boo to a goose, no excuse for such violence

    What's the recommended action here?


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  • #2
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Friend of mine was assaulted by a doorman in a regular haunt on Saturday, wrist twist behind the back, thrown against the bar and glasses, New jacket ripped

    Went to garda report it, said can't take interview now as to drunk (4 pints) but fair enough. He will be back on duty on Thursday to take the interview, bar said don't worry the video will be wiped in the morning
    This guy is 5 foot nothing and not a pick on him and wouldnt say boo to a goose, no excuse for such violence

    What's the recommended action here?

    Yeah cause all drunks are peaceful and docile. Sounds like your friend was removed from the premises for been drunk


  • #3
    nuac
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    M0D
    Your friend should consult a solicitor.
    Subject to rule on legal advice will leave open for general comment


  • #4
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    What’s the other half of the story?


  • #5
    The chan chan man
    Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    Take yer scolding and move on.

    Everyone just wants to sue these days!


  • #6
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,242 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    What’s the other half of the story?

    No other half, left him 5 mins earlier to get food while he finished his drink
    Take the smart Alec comments elsewhere thank you


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  • #7
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    fritzelly wrote: »
    No other half, left him 5 mins earlier to get food while he finished his drink
    Take the smart Alec comments elsewhere thank you

    And what happened in those 5 minutes?


  • #8
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,242 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    And what happened in those 5 minutes?

    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about


  • #9
    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Homer


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about

    Well, in fairness you weren’t present for the alleged assault so it’s all heresay. Unless there is cctv to prove your mates case it’s going nowhere I’m afraid.


  • #10
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    GDPR request cctv footage and see what happened. Talk to a solicitor


  • #11
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Did you speak with the manager and explain what happened?


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  • #12
    Squatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Squatman


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about

    actually, thats precisely what you asked for


  • #13
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about

    Did your mate take this attitude with the bouncer?


  • #14
    flexcon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭flexcon


    fritzelly wrote: »
    No other half, left him 5 mins earlier to get food while he finished his drink
    Take the smart Alec comments elsewhere thank you
    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about

    Yikes.


  • #15
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Get the video, don't expect the guards to do it. Then decide if you want to make a statement. It may not be related to the night in question and could be something that happened previously.
    I'd take it on the chin and approach the owner/manager and straighten things out.


  • #16
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unless you have something to answer my question stay out of it, didn't ask for your personal opinions on nothing you know about

    Well it would appear that you know nothing about it either, but asking for personal opinions is exactly what you did.

    And I haven’t offered any, I just asked questions to better understand the facts. Questions you seem unable or unwilling to answer, why is that?

    Until you tell people then it’s difficult to offer advice on what to do next.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    how did yr friend come to the bouncer attn OP, and how did it escalate from there?

    any info you could provide would assist greatly


  • #18
    killanena
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭killanena


    About 2 years ago, I was in a local bar in my home town. I was not drinking as I was with my father and he's friend who both needed a lift home. They had been there sense 7-8pm, I arrived around 10:30-11pm. After sitting at their table for a few minutes upon arrival, I went up to the bar to order a lucozade. On the way up I tripped on a step. I have dyspraxia so balance is not the best but I didn't hit the floor. I regained my balance after falling forward a few steps. When I got to the bar the door man came up from behind me as just grabbed me in the middle of making my order. Dragged me outside and said to go home and sober up. My dad came out and intervened and explained to the doorman about my condition. He didn't want to listen to any of it. I didn't bother trying to agure because I knew it would like aguring with a wall and they have to protect the business from incidents that could lead to a claim etc.

    I just waited in the car for my dad and his friend to finish their drink and I have not given that establishment my business sense.

    All that being said, over the years I've never witnessed anyone been kicked out from a bar from absolutely no reason.


  • #19
    B-D-P--
    Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭B-D-P--


    So your friend was sitting quiet in a corner just drinking the last if his fourth pint when a bouncer decided to attach him and kick him out?

    For no reason other than he decided to do so?

    There's absolute no other side to the story?


  • #20
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    AFAIK they won't show you any CCTV (and aren't obliged to either, gdpr is nothing to do with it) without a warrant from the Gardaí.


  • #21
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    AFAIK they won't show you any CCTV (and aren't obliged to either, gdpr is nothing to do with it) without a warrant from the Gardaí.

    As I understand it, if a business/whatever has you on their CCTV, you can request a copy of it. This predates GDPR; happy to be corrected on this.


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  • #22
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,604 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    As I understand it, if a business/whatever has you on their CCTV, you can request a copy of it. This predates GDPR; happy to be corrected on this.

    You'd be wrong.


  • #23
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,455 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    AFAIK they won't show you any CCTV (and aren't obliged to either, gdpr is nothing to do with it) without a warrant from the Gardaí.
    El Tarangu wrote: »
    As I understand it, if a business/whatever has you on their CCTV, you can request a copy of it. This predates GDPR; happy to be corrected on this.
    listermint wrote: »
    You'd be wrong.
    From the DPC: https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/guidance-use-cctv-data-controllers
    Providing Access to CCTV to Data Subjects
    Data protection law provides for a right of access to their personal data by individuals. This applies to any individual whose identifiable image has been recorded by a CCTV system. When a data controller receives a request from an individual to access CCTV data, they must normally respond within one month.

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  • #24
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    listermint wrote: »
    You'd be wrong.


    https://www.traceysolicitors.ie/en/data-access-request/

    Not the actual legislation, but enough to suggest I might not have been completely 'wrong'.

    Edit: ah, 28064212 got there ahead of me (and indeed with a better link)


  • #25
    dubrov
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    Well it would appear that you know nothing about it either, but asking for personal opinions is exactly what you did.

    And I haven’t offered any, I just asked questions to better understand the facts. Questions you seem unable or unwilling to answer, why is that?

    Until you tell people then it’s difficult to offer advice on what to do next.

    I don't see any request in the OP for personal opinions on the OP's friend's innocence.

    Loads of super sleuths on here that have already confirmed the cause of the incident.


  • #26
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    These threads are simply a waste of time OP, go to a solicitor if your friend feels strongly enough about it


  • #27
    Mrcaramelchoc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    op are you sure it wasnt you who pissed the bouncer off and ran away letting your friend take the brunt of it?


  • #28
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    AFAIK they won't show you any CCTV (and aren't obliged to either, gdpr is nothing to do with it) without a warrant from the Gardaí.

    If you request CCTV from any business that has images of you that are identifiable they are obliged to provide them to you. Other people will be blurred out in the images but if it shows the OP mate doing nothing wrong and the bouncer assaulting him as he says then I am sure it would be useful to his mate.

    GDPR states ‘Any person whose image is recorded on a CCTV system has a right to seek and be supplied with a copy of their own personal data from the footage.’

    So, anyone who is captured by your CCTV cameras has the right to request that footage, it is seen as personal data. They must follow a procedure, but are perfectly within their rights. If any other individuals are visible in the footage, there needs to a footage redaction service provided i.e. blur out the faces of other individuals.


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