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Paying for sex

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.


    I did have some courtesan and geisha fantasies as a lil girl....:pac: I had a WILD imagination!


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    This is the one area I'm in agreement with the feminist movement.

    No person choses a path like that willingly, reducing everything to consumer choice is bad for the soul of society


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    It doesn't matter if they're trafficed or messed up because tarts

    Got it


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    bluewolf wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if they're trafficed or messed up because tarts

    Got it

    What? :confused:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    This is the one area I'm in agreement with the feminist movement.

    No person choses a path like that willingly, reducing everything to consumer choice is bad for the soul of society


    There is no one opinion on it in the feminist movement. And a lot of prostitutes who feel they do it freely would call themselves feminists.

    Some helped in the Repeal movement. I am thinking Kate McGrew.

    Not all women feel comfortable with the idea. I am sure they all have very good reasons on both sides.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the ban on the purchase for sex is like the war on drugs - dosnt work and will never work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.

    Where are you getting any of this info from or is this just what you tell yourself?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    the ban on the purchase for sex is like the war on drugs - dosnt work and will never work.
    This.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc

    They aren’t eggs lad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc


    Ok i am a bad person..i laughed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    leggo wrote: »
    They aren’t eggs lad.

    If all those who go to prostitutes here only chose Irish women trafficking would disappear

    So tell yer ma she has to do her bit to reduce trafficking & go on the game


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc

    Guaranteed Irish Campaign takes bizarre turn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    leggo wrote: »
    Where are you getting any of this info from or is this just what you tell yourself?

    oh no. one of the most opinionated people on boards.ie has an issue with someone who has a different opinion to his! :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ Madalynn Hundreds Traveller


    I dont attach any spiritual or metaphysical significance to sex but feel that the buying and selling of sex commodifies people.

    The same logic can be (and has been) applied to everything from stripping, to topless modelling, to modelling more generally, to "ring girls" in boxing, to girls and women posting selfies on Instagram. So where does "commodification" begin and end?
    bubblypop wrote: »
    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.
    If any man thinks that any woman has entered into prostitution because they actually want to do it, they are kidding themselves.
    Yes many women do it, but don't fool yourselves into believing they actually want to do it.

    Few people ever become what they dreamed of doing when they were 5. If so, we'd have many more astronauts and many fewer bin collectors.

    I read an interview with a single mother who described prostitution as the perfect job for her — she could work relatively few hours per week, make a high rate per hour, and stay home with her child during the day. She maintained a small list of trusted clients. For her, this was preferable to working 9-5 in an office, putting her child in a creche, and struggling to make ends meet.

    While I'd accept some women are not doing it voluntarily, it seems strange to declare that there are no women who freely choose to be sex workers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    oh no. one of the most opinionated people on boards.ie has an issue with someone who has a different opinion to his! :eek:

    And what an opinion you posted , calling vulnerable women brassers or junkies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Since when do women have a one hive mind? Believe it or not each woman is unique and has her own mind.

    Do you think people dream of becoming retail workers or janitors?

    There is nothing wrong with working in retail or general maintenance in a school etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.

    Why would a "tart" need to do that?, women can get it anytime they want


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Agreed just like there is nothing wrong with becoming a sex worker if that is what one chooses.

    It's extremely bad for the person involved, they can never tell anyone what they do to make ends meet for one thing


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Agreed just like there is nothing wrong with becoming a sex worker if that is what one chooses.

    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Seems to work well in Holland where it's legal and the police keep an eye on things to make sure nobody is being forced to do anything they aren't comfortable with.

    We will probably have to wait a few years here before it is on the table for discussion though because the spineless TDs here will just ignore it even though some politicians, judges and the clergy have all been going to prostitutes for years.

    I presume you are talking about Amsterdam, as opposed to Holland. It isn't working as well as you think and the mayor of the city is looking to revamp that part of the city and close down a number of the brothels. Plenty of articles available on Google to back this up.
    Legal brothels in Amsterdam have over 1000 trafficked women, vulnerable women from poor countries taken to Amsterdam under the promise of jobs in childcare and waitressing or promised careers as dancers and models who are then forced into prostitution. Legalisation and regulation doesn't stop trafficking.

    Totally agree. The RLD is still awash with "minders". Horrible seedy "industry" which has destroyed a large chunk of the centre of that city.
    jaxxx wrote: »
    In the 2 plus years since the purchase of sex in this country was made illegal, there has only been a mere handful of arrests.

    Think you are confusing arrests and convictions. Plenty of arrests but it takes time to get convictions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ Madalynn Hundreds Traveller


    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.

    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Berserker wrote: »

    I presume you are talking about Amsterdam, as opposed to Holland. It isn't working as well as you think and the mayor of the city is looking to revamp that part of the city and close down a number of the brothels. ..........


    Netherlands is trying to reduce tourism :


    The Netherlands tourist board have put a plan together which they hope will encourage fewer tourists, not more. Worried about a projected 50% in tourism from 18 million in 2017 to 29 million in 2030 (and this is a conservative estimate), they have decided to put the brakes on incoming guests. In a review completed last year, the Netherlands Board of Tourism & Conventions (NBTC) which is responsible for marketing the country internationally, said,

    We can now say that more is not always better, certainly not everywhere.





    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/05/11/why-the-netherlands-tourist-board-wants-to-discourage-people-from-visiting


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.

    Of course we don't, but these careers most likely are very well regulated with appropriate supports , renumermation, benefits , welfare put in place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Porklife


    It's not the same thing at all.
    We all have to make a living but in our jobs we have rights, we have to respect the rights of others we work with and they have to respect our rights.
    This includes things like bullying and sexual harassment.

    Sex workers, particularly trafficked sex workers, don't have the same rights afforded to them. Men bascially pay money to rape them while the sex worker is forced to look like theyre enjoying it.

    I dont know how you can compare a normal job in a shop or office to the work of a sex worker.

    Bit of a twisted comparison tbh.

    Jesus Christ!! Rape them? What the hell is wrong with you?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.


    more like a footballer :


    "Dutch prostitutes seek same tax deal as footballers

    Lawyer says similarities between the two professions are striking"


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.

    Sure theres many soul destroying jobs and many of fulfilling jobs.
    Plenty of lads have killed themselves over office job stress.
    I'm sure plenty of prostitutes find their profession very agreeable with their lifestyle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/dutch-prostitutes-seek-same-tax-deal-as-footballers-1.1640856


    "Their case has been put to the tax authorities by lawyer Wilhelmina Post, who says the similarities between the two jobs are striking: prostitution, like football, is best-suited to healthy youngsters, “and although the earning potential is high, by 40 you’d certainly aim to be doing something else”."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ Madalynn Hundreds Traveller


    Of course we don't, but these careers most likely are very well regulated with appropriate supports , renumermation, benefits , welfare put in place.

    Professional boxing? Many journeymen boxers fight for small purses, with no benefits or pensions, and are at high risk of brain injury.

    And if you were one of the people cheering on the Irish rugby team this weekend, bear in mind that the number of serious concussions and neck/spinal injuries caused by rugby is also very high.


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