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08-04-2018, 23:22   #31
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Interesting reading for me in this thread, as I have been thinking recently again about slack burners.

How do wood pellets compare in terms of running costs? Anyone know?

My big fear for a slack burner is the fact that it's coal you're burning, and the government attitude to this dirty fuel as time passes. Might be taxed a lot.
Haha EV driver burning filthy coal , should be ashamed.

From June or July it will be illegal to burn Smoky coal, Illegal to Buy and illegal to sell and about bloody time too. Nothing worse in estates or anywhere with clouds of coal smoke it's disgusting and a complete health hazzard.

Next to go should be all smoky solid fuels in all towns and villages.

Next , watch the cost of smokeless fuels rocket !
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Probably right mad lad, and what I fear.

Don't forget, I also drive a diesel as well as an eV
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Probably right mad lad, and what I fear.

Don't forget, I also drive a diesel as well as an eV
lol if you had your way you'd burn Coal in your car , back to steam power !

Time to invest in a Good Oil stove ! actually, you'll find them really cheap 2nd hand.
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Would people buy an oil stove if they have oil heating?
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Absolutely, we have one even though it was installed by the previous owner it’s highly useful especially when it’s really cold for extra heat.

+ I use it when I’m off shift rather than have the central heating heating the whole house when I don’t need it.
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Would people buy an oil stove if they have oil heating?

After considering it I wouldn't.

Number of reasons
1. I am trying to get away from oil
2. Running the pipe from tank would be too difficult
3. Lack of timer on unit
4. Leaving it running constant is over kill

As mentioned above I want something to run for an hour or 2 in morning and maybe in evening...someting that if I am away for weekend I can turn on remote .....I already have the oil heating on Climote so having the pellet stove on something similar would be perfect....

Pellet storage is not an issue and I dont mind filling/cleaning as it would be a lot better than the current multifuel stove I have in place now
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09-04-2018, 21:32   #37
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Oil is convenient and it's quiet clean compared to pellets in a modern 90% efficient condenser boiler.

pellet stoves are a cause for concern and wood stoves as they emit unregulated uncontrolled emissions which are dangerous. In the country it's not as much of an issue but the PM still travels.

So "getting away from oil" is fine but going to pellets are not a proper solution if it's to benefit the environment.

Wanting a pellet stove and liking the look of them and their convenience are a completely different matter.

Too many trees have to be felled for pellets and some come from Canada and shipped on dirty oil burning ships. Ireland has very little hard wood forest compared to the rest of Europe even the U.K and we only plant pine dirt and it's only for industry and not to benefit nature or the landscape and I do not approve of this on such as scale as we do it in Ireland.

Getting a feed to an Oil stove could be an issue depending on the location to the tank, however another small tank can be installed closer to the stove.

NIMAN would find going from filthy coal to an Oil stove much more convenient, no ashes , no soot, no carrying bags of coal or having to drag coal in to the house, and can leave it on as much as it's needed without having to refuel and it can be left on all night down low and all it needs is a wipe of the glass and turning of de-coke thing and that's it.

Oil stoves don't have to be left on all the time but it is an option.

I'd love to be off fossil fuels but it's not going to happen, the house would have to be gutted and air tight and well insulated , then I'd install a heat pump.

Pellets and Oil stoves are really useful either way , there are advantages and disadvantages with both.
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Hi, I stumbled upon this thread and I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a couple of questions.
I bought a house with a Baxi Multiheat wood pellet boiler. The house is well insulated and very small. Downstairs has underfloor heating and there is usually only one radiator on upstairs. When the central heating is on the house is toasty and there is endless hot water. However, I am spending a bleeding fortune on pellets. I get two deliveries a year, €800 each, then I turn the heating off from mid-April until it gets properly cold. There's a solid fuel stove in the kitchen and I can keep the house comfortable by lighting that. I'm spending way more on pellets than I did when I lived in an oil-heated 19th century castle gatelodge with single glazing and no real insulation. I have no idea what I'm doing so I'm afraid to twiddle with the settings on the boiler. Turning the thermostat in the house down doesn't seem to matter, the Baxi seems to use the same amount of fuel. It seems impossible to find somebody who does know what they're doing. I need somebody to tell me (A) is the boiler right for the house. (B) are the settings correct or (C) is there some other problem.
I'd be grateful if somebody could suggest possible avenues to explore, or even better, an expert to consult in the mid-west.
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Some interesting reading in this thread.

A lot of comparisons between pellets and oil.

How would people rate them against the standard wood /multifuel stoves?

As a fuel , are pellets cheaper to buy rather than wood?
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Sorry to pull up old thread....as the winter is about to set in I am looking at this again

I am intrigued by the comment above about ordering from Italy as a very cheap price...

I found this website; http://www.italianstoves.com

It doesn't seem to be that massively cheap compared to Ireland? anyone find an equivalent?
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Has anyone changed anything with their heating since this discussion ? we haven't.

The main issue is eliminating con men.

2nd issue is finding reliable installers.

3 rd issue is getting people to come out and give quotes, ( I'll be out Monday ) don't arrive, ( I'll be out Thursday ) don't arrive.

4th issue, is if they start a job will they work on it all day every day until it's finished or will they do an hour one day and two next week ?

It's a damn difficult country to get work done !

I've since being toying with the idea of heat pump using the well supposed to give 6 Kw out with 1 Kw in, that's some efficiency but again, contacted twice and no one called to arrange to come to the house.

Installing solar PV later on would greatly help offset the cost of running the HP especially if a feed in tariff becomes available, excess in Summer bought back for winter to run the HP.

Anyway we're still at square 1 and on out 2nd tank of oil since about October. Oil now is 700 per 1000 Litres.

If you add it up , Oil, Gas, pellets, wood, Coal are all around the same to run if efficiencies are high then all are around the same cost for the same efficiency of your heating, boiler, stove etc for instance, an open coal fire is naturally going to be more expensive to run than a pellet stove but install a much more efficient stove and the cost difference becomes much less.

SAEI have a handy fuel comparison chart.

Particularly interesting is that night rate electricity is also comparable to these liquid or solid fuels and could be convenient with storage heaters which are much more controllable today. I have night rate electricity for charging the car so 1 or 2 storage heaters could be a good alternative for me for 1 or two rooms if it;s going to cost the same as oil or gas then probably not, again , if we only had some kind of feed-in-tariff system where we get paid for excess to the grid we could install solar PV and that would help offset the cost of heating and normal electricity bills.
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Has anyone changed anything with their heating since this discussion ? we haven't.
https://www.woodco-energy.com/produc...pellet-boiler/
I got rid of the Baxi and had one of these installed, only up and running since yesterday. Woodco were doing a scrappage deal and the auger was starting to go on the Baxi so I bit the bullet. It's a more complex animal than the very mechanical Baxi, I'm still not sure what I'm at with it. I had a screw installed too, so I don't have to fill the hopper with a bucket any more.
The company seem fine to deal with but I suppose I won't really know until there's a problem. I'm optimistic that this will save me money on pellets, it seems to be a very efficient boiler.
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External , interesting, any I saw before had to be inside shed or something.

Which Kw did you get ?

How much for installation ?

Don't think mine would be straight forward because the rads and internal plumbing needs upgrading + electronic controls.

My other issue is that I don't have much storage space for pellets, do you get them in bulk or bags ?

Be interesting to know if you get bags how much you get away with.

We could replace the oil boiler with this and keep the tank for the kitchen oil stove.

Overall I think the cost difference between oil and pellets might not be much, gas has rental and all that that oil doesn't.
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External , interesting, any I saw before had to be inside shed or something.

Which Kw did you get ?

How much for installation ?

Don't think mine would be straight forward because the rads and internal plumbing needs upgrading + electronic controls.

My other issue is that I don't have much storage space for pellets, do you get them in bulk or bags ?

Be interesting to know if you get bags how much you get away with.

We could replace the oil boiler with this and keep the tank for the kitchen oil stove.

Overall I think the cost difference between oil and pellets might not be much, gas has rental and all that that oil doesn't.
Mine is 28kw. My house is small and has underfloor heating. The boiler is outside but it's in what used to be a hayshed so it's not completely exposed. There was a silo here when I bought the house so I get bulk delivery. The old boiler got through pellets at a ferocious rate so getting bags would not have been practical. I don't know yet what this one is like.
It's invoiced as "supply and fit" so I don't know what the installation cost is. The whole thing was €3437.89 plus €464.11 VAT.

I like the pellets because they're clean and safe. The boiler is about 20 feet from a river and I like not having to worry about polluting due to spills or leaks.
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Mine is 28kw. My house is small and has underfloor heating. The boiler is outside but it's in what used to be a hayshed so it's not completely exposed. There was a silo here when I bought the house so I get bulk delivery. The old boiler got through pellets at a ferocious rate so getting bags would not have been practical. I don't know yet what this one is like.
It's invoiced as "supply and fit" so I don't know what the installation cost is. The whole thing was €3437.89 plus €464.11 VAT.

I like the pellets because they're clean and safe. The boiler is about 20 feet from a river and I like not having to worry about polluting due to spills or leaks.
My Oil tank is a lot closer to a stream !

So was € 3437 inc fitting ?

Yes we're a bit snookered because while the oil boiler might be efficient enough the rest of the plumbing is not and is old.

Keep this thread updated asap, I am interested, would be nice to get off oil all the same even if I keep some for the kitchen stove for now.
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