Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Gary Gurney · 26-09-2019 10:46am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

in a rare show of optimism I have put together a list of a few lads I have seen in club championship, this and previous years, who regardless of personal circumstances / availability should be worth a run of a few months in the panel, see can they make the step up.

They certainly may improve the standard of training within the squad;

Tried and trusted – Tom Devine, Barry Coughlan, Jake Dillon,

Worth a twist – Ryan Donnelly, Dessie Hutchinson, Darragh Lynch, Michael Harney, Ian Kenny, Richard Hurley, Jack Fagan, Michael Kiely, Tom Barron, Tom Moran, Conor Power, Ray Barry, Brian Lynch, Seamus Keating

anyone else?

All I'm seeing from the above mentioned players is how evident it is you are completely out of touch with the club game in Waterford.

Without knocking anyone there, couple players you mentioned aren't regular with their own clubs.

deiseach · 26-09-2019 10:57am

Gary Gurney wrote: »

How is it that when a tipp man guides his county to minor & u21 all irelands he's deemed a good appointment for our counties senior set up. But when one of our own done it he's laughed off as being not experienced enough?

Not pro or anti anybody by the way just think its laughable the double standards.

In fairness, I'd say people can split the two by being of the opinion that a fresh set of eyes would be useful in Waterford hurling.

Giveitfong · 26-09-2019 11:23am

SW1985 wrote: »

Sean had one crazy talented group that he was able to win with at minor then a few years later with the same group at u21. His results in between were unimpressive.

That's not quite fair. In 2017 the Waterford Under 21s were robbed by Waterford's favourite referee Fergal Horgan against Cork in Walsh Park and lost by a point.

Last year the Under 21s played really well against a star-studded Cork team and should have won with the chances they created. At the same time, their cause wasn't helped by some really poor sideline decisions in that game. At the time I suspected that Power wasn't able to stand up to other people with him on the sideline. If that was true, it would not augur well for his prospects as a manager of the senior county team.

thesaturdayman · 26-09-2019 11:56am

Gary Gurney wrote: »

All I'm seeing from the above mentioned players is how evident it is you are completely out of touch with the club game in Waterford.

Without knocking anyone there, couple players you mentioned aren't regular with their own clubs.

TBH it was off the cuff more so then anything to try get a discussion going.... wasnt in the market for a slagging match today!

who from the above arent regulars with their club so oh wise sage?

maximo31 · 26-09-2019 12:00pm

tonc76 wrote: »

There was mention a few pages back that a sugar daddy has been found which I presume is why we are apparently able to go outside the county to attract a new manager. The county board are on their knees financially so there must be an injection of cash coming from somewhere?

I believe that the Al Eile Stud are the financial backing behind this move. Nothing concrete so don't shoot the messenger.

PTH2009 · 26-09-2019 1:12pm

emergingstar wrote: »

Liam Cahill has stepped down as Tipperary u20 boss ðŸ‘€ðŸ‘€

Be some laugh if he came out and said he has no intention or any contact with Waterford

cul beag · 26-09-2019 1:26pm

thesaturdayman wrote: »

in a rare show of optimism I have put together a list of a few lads I have seen in club championship, this and previous years, who regardless of personal circumstances / availability should be worth a run of a few months in the panel, see can they make the step up.

They certainly may improve the standard of training within the squad;

Tried and trusted – Tom Devine, Barry Coughlan, Jake Dillon,

Worth a twist – Ryan Donnelly, Dessie Hutchinson, Darragh Lynch, Michael Harney, Ian Kenny, Richard Hurley, Jack Fagan, Michael Kiely, Tom Barron, Tom Moran, Conor Power, Ray Barry, Brian Lynch, Seamus Keating

anyone else?

Agree with you that a lot of the above names should be looked at. Unfortunately Tom Devine is off to New Zealand next Thursday so that rules him out. I would add Kieran Power(Dungarvan), and Paudie Prendergast((Lismore) to the list. In my opinion there are 5 at least of those names that would strengthen the current panel.
As for the cheap posts fired at you I believe that Giveitfong Mastermcgrath and yourself are always contributing ideas and while everyone may not agree with them,at least ye have the best of intentions.

whiteandblue · 26-09-2019 2:16pm

cul beag wrote: »

Agree with you that a lot of the above names should be looked at. Unfortunately Tom Devine is off to New Zealand next Thursday so that rules him out. I would add Kieran Power(Dungarvan), and Paudie Prendergast((Lismore) to the list. In my opinion there are 5 at least of those names that would strengthen the current panel.
As for the cheap posts fired at you I believe that Giveitfong Mastermcgrath and yourself are always contributing ideas and while everyone may not agree with them,at least ye have the best of intentions.

I'd add Wiily Hahessy, Brian O'Sullivan (Although he has apparently turned down approaches in the past), David Prendergast and Shane Ryan to the comprehensive list for a training panel. There can't be 50 on the panel but at least give lads a shot.

In terms of this weekend's club games, I think DLS should have too much for Mount Sion. Just much more balanced and seem to be in a good place under Phelan, think they could shade it by 5. Ballygunner are said to be without Coughlan and Barnes who are both major losses but I still think they will have too much for Dungarvan even in Fraher Field. Dungarvan put it up to them earlier in the year and Curran missed a penalty at a vital stage so this should rule out any complacency for the Gunners. I think they have the man markers in defense to nullify the Dungarvan attack but it still may be close, Id say Ballygunner by 3.

debok · 26-09-2019 2:27pm

whiteandblue wrote: »

I'd add Wiily Hahessy, Brian O'Sullivan (Although he has apparently turned down approaches in the past), David Prendergast and Shane Ryan to the comprehensive list for a training panel. There can't be 50 on the panel but at least give lads a shot.

In terms of this weekend's club games, I think DLS should have too much for Mount Sion. Just much more balanced and seem to be in a good place under Phelan, think they could shade it by 5. Ballygunner are said to be without Coughlan and Barnes who are both major losses but I still think they will have too much for Dungarvan even in Fraher Field. Dungarvan put it up to them earlier in the year and Curran missed a penalty at a vital stage so this should rule out any complacency for the Gunners. I think they have the man markers in defense to nullify the Dungarvan attack but it still may be close, Id say Ballygunner by 3.

Is Brian o Sullivan even playing club hurling

Parishman · 26-09-2019 3:51pm

With regard to list of players posted most I would agree with let me throw few more into the mix!

Neil Montgomery, Conor Ryan, DLS Goalkeeper (name slips my mind) & Colm Roche, problem is they do not get enough club games in a crazy fixture list to stand out. Now we are going to appoint a new Manager who may well be from outside the county and he will not have seen any of them play apart from 4 semi finalists. There are a nice few uncut gems out there at intermediate level that will not be seen either.

We also need to keep an eye on colleges as lads develop here when be exposed to the better hurlers in Fitzgibbon and Freshers games

PTH2009 · 26-09-2019 4:22pm

Any idea of the league fixtures for 2020

We had 3 'home' games this year (Offaly game in Thurles was counted as a home game) , so prob have 2 home and 3 away in 2020

In a group with Galway, Tipp, Cork, Limerick and Westmeath

Giveitfong · 26-09-2019 5:10pm

Players I would like to see being looked at:

Abbeyside: Darragh McGrath, Neil Montgomery, Michael Kiely
Dungarvan: John Curran, Kieran Power
Ballygunner: Dessie Hutchinson
De La Salle: Jack Fagan
Ardmore: John Gartland, David Gartland, Seamus Keating
Shamrocks: Shane Roche, John Paul Lucey
Lismore: David Prendergast, Paudie Prendergast

Obi1mikal · 26-09-2019 5:12pm

Parishman wrote: »

With regard to list of players posted most I would agree with let me throw few more into the mix!

Neil Montgomery, Conor Ryan, DLS Goalkeeper (name slips my mind) & Colm Roche, problem is they do not get enough club games in a crazy fixture list to stand out. Now we are going to appoint a new Manager who may well be from outside the county and he will not have seen any of them play apart from 4 semi finalists. There are a nice few uncut gems out there at intermediate level that will not be seen either.

We also need to keep an eye on colleges as lads develop here when be exposed to the better hurlers in Fitzgibbon and Freshers games

Shaun O'Brien is the DLS goalie a real top class goalie, Gavin O'Brien of Roanmore could be worth another look never leaves roanmore down when he plays, Mikey Daykin in Mount Sionlooks like a good young defender this year and Niall Dunphy from Newtown/Ballydurn is a really slick forward, seems to get a good few scores from play ever game he plays.

tommylad1212 · 26-09-2019 6:16pm

thesaturdayman wrote: »

in a rare show of optimism I have put together a list of a few lads I have seen in club championship, this and previous years, who regardless of personal circumstances / availability should be worth a run of a few months in the panel, see can they make the step up.

They certainly may improve the standard of training within the squad;

Tried and trusted – Tom Devine, Barry Coughlan, Jake Dillon,

Worth a twist – Ryan Donnelly, Dessie Hutchinson, Darragh Lynch, Michael Harney, Ian Kenny, Richard Hurley, Jack Fagan, Michael Kiely, Tom Barron, Tom Moran, Conor Power, Ray Barry, Brian Lynch, Seamus Keating

anyone else?

Michael harney bunmahon?

thesaturdayman · 26-09-2019 6:23pm

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Michael harney bunmahon?

yep - know his club didnt field in hurling this year, and he has had a cruciate ligament injury.... but maybe he might be worth giving a chance to.

Isnt it some indictment of the board that like of him, the lad lucey from shamrocks all these lads with obvious talent cant assist / play as part of a group side at a higher standard in senior?

Harney was a fair detail on those u21 / minor teams and even with IT carlow, has had his own injury issues as well as challenges in numbers with the club, but only so much developing he can do himself! needs support to in his own county!

Didnt derek kind of bring a senior B team there in earlier years? to help lads make step up?

Stopitwillya · 26-09-2019 8:57pm

thesaturdayman wrote: »

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Michael harney bunmahon?

yep - know his club didnt field in hurling this year, and he has had a cruciate ligament injury.... but maybe he might be worth giving a chance to.

Isnt it some indictment of the board that like of him, the lad lucey from shamrocks all these lads with obvious talent cant assist / play as part of a group side at a higher standard in senior?

Harney was a fair detail on those u21 / minor teams and even with IT carlow, has had his own injury issues as well as challenges in numbers with the club, but only so much developing he can do himself! needs support to in his own county!

Didnt derek kind of bring a senior B team there in earlier years? to help lads make step up?

Bunmahon fielded for about four games in the hurling this year which they all lost and then started giving walkovers.

Have to agree with you on the group teams. Divide the county up in 4 and put the 4 GPO's in charge of organising each area/group team for both hurling and football. When it was tried before it was done very amateurishly, but if done properly it would be of great benefit to players from weaker clubs and also to county teams.

DiscoStew · 26-09-2019 9:10pm

debok wrote: »

Is Brian o Sullivan even playing club hurling

No. But apparently you can’t question these recommendations.

Stopitwillya · 26-09-2019 11:21pm

Brian O Sullivan, Gavin O' Brien mentioned. Neither good enough to make it in the first place and can't see how that could have changed. Both unable to win their own ball and we have an oversupply of those type of forwards already.
Paudie Pendergast also mentioned. Surely he must be close to 30 if not their already. Was a decent player though back when he was starting under Scully Ryan.

Mastermcgrath · 27-09-2019 12:15am

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Brian O Sullivan, Gavin O' Brien mentioned. Neither good enough to make it in the first place and can't see how that could have changed. Both unable to win their own ball and we have an oversupply of those type of forwards already.
Paudie Pendergast also mentioned. Surely he must be close to 30 if not their already. Was a decent player though back when he was starting under Scully Ryan.

Prendegast would be 27 now. O’Brien 26. These lads came through in a period of very strong underage county sides. There was a lot of competition to get into the senior squad and the very good All Ireland minor/u21 group came just after them. In the current era probably would have got more of a chance to improve but D McGrath was in a position to be ruthless with lads who were just short of it

debok · 27-09-2019 7:07am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

TBH it was off the cuff more so then anything to try get a discussion going.... wasnt in the market for a slagging match today!

who from the above arent regulars with their club so oh wise sage?

Ian Kenny and Conor power wouldn't be regular starters this year

thesaturdayman · 27-09-2019 7:27am

debok wrote: »

Ian Kenny and Conor power wouldn't be regular starters this year

WOW You really know your stuff

Prob be hard for Kenny to start and he in America all summer

debok · 27-09-2019 7:33am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

WOW You really know your stuff

Prob be hard for Kenny to start and he in America all summer

Sorry but you asked who wasn't a regular on your list.
Don't ask people to question you if ya don't want to hear an answer

thesaturdayman · 27-09-2019 7:35am

debok wrote: »

Sorry but you asked who wasn't a regular on your list.
Don't ask people to question you if ya don't want to hear an answer

AIB Club all star last year

One of best player on pitch in Munster club & all Ireland semi finals

debok · 27-09-2019 7:36am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

WOW You really know your stuff

Prob be hard for Kenny to start and he in America all summer

Also what's with the wow you really know your stuff?
Very condescending. It's like your somehow trying to get the opinion across that you know your stuff better than everyone else.

debok · 27-09-2019 7:37am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

AIB Club all star last year

One of best player on pitch in Munster club & all Ireland semi finals

No doubting that. Still not regular starter this year no matter what you say

thesaturdayman · 27-09-2019 8:48am

debok wrote: »

No doubting that. Still not regular starter this year no matter what you say

I’d say they’ll both be starting when it matters tbh

HelloHello1234 · 27-09-2019 8:54am

regarding michael harney. i think there should be some kind of divisional teams introduced. if St marys had a team involved playing senior level (bunmahon kill ballydurn kilmac) it would give great exposure to players who would never have thought of playing senior. there are some fantastic players on those teams and would certainly give ballygunnar a good test. I personally think divisional teams would improve the county team and championship

debok · 27-09-2019 9:21am

thesaturdayman wrote: »

I’d say they’ll both be starting when it matters tbh

Maybe. But ballygunner have changed more than half there team this year and nobody has seemed to notice because there still winning games handy. Personally I think dungarvan will put it up to them and no matter how good you are it's hard to keep going year after year. Be nice to see someone else winning it.

Stopitwillya · 27-09-2019 12:49pm

HelloHello1234 wrote: »

regarding michael harney. i think there should be some kind of divisional teams introduced. if St marys had a team involved playing senior level (bunmahon kill ballydurn kilmac) it would give great exposure to players who would never have thought of playing senior. there are some fantastic players on those teams and would certainly give ballygunnar a good test. I personally think divisional teams would improve the county team and championship

Bunmahon, kill, ballydurn and kilmac joined together wouldn't have a hope against Ballygunner. Together they would be an average intermediate team and no more.

HelloHello1234 · 27-09-2019 12:54pm

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Bunmahon, kill, ballydurn and kilmac joined together wouldn't have a hope against Ballygunner. Together they would be an average intermediate team and no more.

regardless of whether they would beat them or not, the point I'm making is that it would expose the likes of michael harney and other talentd players these teams have to a higher level. I think they would hold there own at senior level. cois brid is another team with the like of modeligo colligan and kilgobinet thrown in would surely expose the likes of dunford and devine to a higher level

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