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  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    * Meath gained the most rating points this weekend, adding 2.36 to their total and leap-frogging Kildare in the rankings.
    * Monaghan's draw with Armagh saw them drop 2 places with Armagh rising 3 places.
    * Carlow and Waterford exchanged places near the bottom of the rankings.
    * No rating points were exchanged in the Dublin – Wexford, Down – Leitrim or Tyrone – Louth games

    #|Δ|Team|Rating points
    1|-|Dublin|102,23
    2|-|Mayo|98,04
    3|-|Cork|97,45
    4|-|Kerry|94,86
    5||Donegal|94,30
    6||Tyrone|94,14
    7|▼▼|Monaghan|92,94
    8||Meath|89,09
    9||Kildare|87,03
    10|-|Down|85,42
    11|▲▲▲|Armagh|85,40
    12||Derry|85,01
    13||Laois|85,00
    14||Galway|83,74
    15|-|Roscommon|82,86
    16|-|Cavan|82,63
    17|-|Tipperary|81,19
    18|-|Louth|79,15
    19|-|Wexford|78,29
    20|-|Longford|75,44
    21||Clare|75,10
    22||Westmeath|74,51
    23|-|Fermanagh|72,89
    24|-|Limerick|72,69
    25|-|Wicklow|72,52
    26|-|Antrim|72,08
    27|-|Sligo|71,93
    28|-|Leitrim|69,66
    29|-|Offaly|67,43
    30|▲▲|Carlow|64,71
    31|-|London|63,67
    32|▼▼|Waterford|62,64
    33|-|New York|58,25


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Six games up for decision this weekend. This is one of the first occasions where most of the teams are relatively evenly balanced, so expect a lot of changes in the rankings come Sunday evening.

    Wicklow (72.52) v Sligo (71.93)
    *A 3 point win for Wicklow.

    Tipperary (81.19) v Longford (75.44)
    *Tipperary by 4 points.

    Limerick (72.69) v Antrim (72.08)
    *A 2 point win for Limerick

    Cork (97.45) v Kerry (94.86)
    *Normally, Cork should take this by 3 points, but their home form is good, so a 5 point win is expected. No doubt Kerry will have something to say about that.

    Monaghan (92.94) v Armagh (85.4)
    *As indicated last week, Monaghan's home form is not particularly impressive (and by that I mean they win by an inferior margin than what is expected), and as a result of the rating points swapped from the drawn game, the expected result here is a 2 point win for Monaghan.

    Wexford (78.29) v Laois (85.00)
    *Laois to win by 1 point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    *In terms of rating points, Kerry were the winners over the weekend, gaining 4,11 points in their thrashing of Cork. The result sees Kerry move up 2 places and knock Mayo off 2nd, while Cork drop 4 places to 7th in the rankings, allowing Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan to each move up a place.
    *Cork were not the only team to drop 4 places, Longford also experienced this drop following their mauling at the hands of Tipperary who continue to gain rating points and now sit just behind Cavan and Roscommon.
    *In terms of ranking positions, the big mover after the weekend's series of games was Sligo, who advanced 5 places, in part due to their win over Wicklow, and in part due to the rating points dropped by Wicklow, Antrim and Longford.
    *Monaghan's win over Armagh moves them up a place while Armagh drop 2 places.
    *Laois gained 3 places following their win over Wexford, who remain unchanged.
    *Finally, Limerick move up a place following their win over Antrim, who remain unchanged.

    #|Δ|Team|Rating points
    1|-|Dublin|102,23
    2|▲▲|Kerry|98,97
    3||Mayo|98,04
    4||Donegal|94,30
    5||Tyrone|94,14
    6||Monaghan|93,54
    7|▼▼▼▼|Cork|93,34
    8|-|Meath|89,09
    9|-|Kildare|87,03
    10|▲▲▲|Laois|86,50
    11||Down|85,42
    12|-|Derry|85,01
    13|▼▼|Armagh|84,80
    14|-|Galway|83,74
    15|-|Roscommon|82,86
    16|-|Cavan|82,63
    17|-|Tipperary|82,45
    18|-|Louth|79,15
    19|-|Wexford|76,79
    20||Clare|75,10
    21||Westmeath|74,51
    22|▲▲▲▲▲|Sligo|74,41
    23||Limerick|74,21
    24|▼▼▼▼|Longford|74,18
    25|▼▼|Fermanagh|72,89
    26|-|Antrim|70,56
    27|▼▼|Wicklow|70,04
    28|-|Leitrim|69,66
    29|-|Offaly|67,43
    32|-|Carlow|64,71
    31|-|London|63,67
    32|-|Waterford|62,64
    33|-|New York|57,51


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Seven games up this weekend, the action seems to be coming non-stop!

    Cavan (82,63) v Roscommon (82,86)
    * With home advantage, Cavan should win this by 2, but given their extremely poor form at home, a 2 point win for Roscommon is more likely.

    Sligo (74,41) v Limerick (74,21)
    * A 3 point win for Sligo is predicted.

    Laois (86,50) v Tipperary (82,45)
    * With the added benefit of home advantage, Laois should win this by 4, but a 2 point win is more likely given Laois's poor home form.

    Mayo (98,04) v Galway (83,74)
    * A 9 point win for Mayo is predicted; nevertheless, it is difficult to see the game panning out like that, as Mayo were not impressive in the previous round while Galway appear to have found some new blood.

    Carlow (64,71) v Clare (75,10)
    * Clare to win by 4 points

    Down (85,42) v Kildare (87,03)
    * Down by a point (and the first top-10 team to be knocked out of the championship this year?)

    Tyrone (94,14) v Armagh (84,80)
    * Tyrone went against previous form by running up a big margin over Louth the last day out. They may find this game somewhat tighter though, even allowing for Armagh playing their 3rd game in as many weeks. Tyrone by 4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    How did Kilkenny get 61,25 and how are we breathing down the necks of Carlow. This wont so at all, we should be nearer to 1,25 so where did the other 60 come from. Much more of this and our reputation will be enhanced way beyond what we can hope to live up to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    How did Kilkenny get 61,25 and how are we breathing down the necks of Carlow. This wont so at all, we should be nearer to 1,25 so where did the other 60 come from. Much more of this and our reputation will be enhanced way beyond what we can hope to live up to.

    The thread and the ranking table have evolved significantly since the OP. Kilkenny have been removed from the rankings until they rejoin the League or Championship.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Some big changes in the rankings after this weekend's games with 3 games causing a points exchange of greater than 3 points. Also, the first top 10 team has dropped out of the championship, but not the team predicted in the preview of this weekend's action.

    * Armagh gained the most rating points (3.64 points) of the weekend and jump 3 places to 10th, while Tyrone slip to 7th and drop out of the championship.
    * Roscommon earned 3.54 points and climb 4 places while Cavan drop 2 places
    * The other team to gain more than 3 rating points was Kildare, who leap-frog Meath, while Down plummet 5 places to 16th.
    * Tipperary had a great win over Laois and move up 5 places to 12th, while Laois join Down in their 5-place drop
    * Sligo move up 1 place after their win over Limerick, who drop 2 places
    * Carlow drop below London following their hammering at the hands of Clare, who despite not advancing in the rankings, gain 1.53 rating points
    * There were no rating points exchanged following the result of the Connaught final.

    #|Δ|Team|Rating points
    1*|-|Dublin|102,23
    2*|-|Kerry|98,97
    3*|-|Mayo|98,04
    4*|-|Donegal|94,30
    5*||Monaghan|93,54
    6*||Cork|93,34
    7|▼▼|Tyrone|90,50
    8*||Kildare|90,30
    9*||Meath|89,09
    10*|▲▲▲|Armagh|88,44
    11*|▲▲▲▲|Roscommon|86,40
    12*|▲▲▲▲▲|Tipperary|85,39
    13||Derry|85,01
    14*|-|Galway|83,74
    15|▼▼▼▼▼|Laois|83,56
    16|▼▼▼▼▼|Down|82,15
    17||Louth|79,15
    18|▼▼|Cavan|79,09
    19|-|Wexford|76,79
    20*|-|Clare|76,63
    21*||Sligo|75,99
    22||Westmeath|74,51
    23||Longford|74,18
    24||Fermanagh|72,89
    25|▼▼|Limerick|72,63
    26|-|Antrim|70,56
    27|-|Wicklow|70,04
    28|-|Leitrim|69,66
    29|-|Offaly|67,43
    30||London|63,67
    31||Carlow|63,18
    32|-|Waterford|62,64
    33|-|New York|57,51
    *Teams with an asterix still in the championship


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Of the 14 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1, 5 from Division 2, 2 from Division 3 and 2 from Division 4

    The 2 teams in Division 4 have been helped by a relatively kind draw - Clare beat another Division 4 side in Carlow, while Tipperary beat a team Longford which will be playing in Division 4 next year in this round. However for both these teams whatever happens next this year will surely go down as a great year for football in both counties as they have really built on getting out of Division 4 with a number of Championship wins.

    Maintaining a tradition of sides relegated from Division 1 going on to have awful Championships both Derry and Westmeath are gone, with Tyrone joining them - today was Tyrone's 5th game and 4th game against Ulster opposition. Where Tyrone will go from here will be interesting to see.

    Dublin, Mayo, Kerry , Cork and Kildare are the five Division 1 teams in the running, with Donegal, Monaghan, Meath, Galway and Armagh the Division 2 sides. These are the teams at the business end of the Championship -

    In terms of the teams still in action, all the teams that got promoted in the league bar Cavan - Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tipperary and Clare are all still in action, and Cavan as they will need little reminding got knocked out by a promoted team in Rosscommon. Obviously the draw helped a bit but you would have to add this to the evidence pile hat if a team is going well in the league it sets a team up pretty well for Championship. This isnt a hard and fast rule though,as evidenced by the Derry exception.

    The only 2 teams which got relegated and are still surviving are Kildare and Armagh - compared to Westmeath, Louth, Longford, and Offaly who have followed up relegation in the league with awful Championship form.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    Of the 14 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1, 5 from Division 2, 2 from Division 3 and 2 from Division 4

    The 2 teams in Division 4 have been helped by a relatively kind draw - Clare beat another Division 4 side in Carlow, while Tipperary beat a team Longford which will be playing in Division 4 next year in this round. However for both these teams whatever happens next this year will surely go down as a great year for football in both counties as they have really built on getting out of Division 4 with a number of Championship wins.

    Maintaining a tradition of sides relegated from Division 1 going on to have awful Championships both Derry and Westmeath are gone, with Tyrone joining them - today was Tyrone's 5th game and 4th game against Ulster opposition. Where Tyrone will go from here will be interesting to see.

    Dublin, Mayo, Kerry , Cork and Kildare are the five Division 1 teams in the running, with Donegal, Monaghan, Meath, Galway and Armagh the Division 2 sides. These are the teams at the business end of the Championship -

    In terms of the teams still in action, all the teams that got promoted in the league bar Cavan - Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tipperary and Clare are all still in action, and Cavan as they will need little reminding got knocked out by a promoted team in Rosscommon. Obviously the draw helped a bit but you would have to add this to the evidence pile hat if a team is going well in the league it sets a team up pretty well for Championship. This isnt a hard and fast rule though,as evidenced by the Derry exception.

    The only 2 teams which got relegated and are still surviving are Kildare and Armagh - compared to Westmeath, Louth, Longford, and Offaly who have followed up relegation in the league with awful Championship form.

    Huh? Kildare and Westmeath were relegated from D1 this year, you even mention it later in your post..!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Syferus wrote: »
    Huh? Kildare and Westmeath were relegated from D1 this year, you even mention it later in your post..!

    Wires crossed there. Apologies for the confusion.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    Of the 14 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1, 5 from Division 2, 2 from Division 3 and 2 from Division 4

    The 2 teams in Division 4 have been helped by a relatively kind draw - Clare beat another Division 4 side in Carlow, while Tipperary beat a team Longford which will be playing in Division 4 next year in this round. However for both these teams whatever happens next this year will surely go down as a great year for football in both counties as they have really built on getting out of Division 4 with a number of Championship wins.

    Maintaining a tradition of sides relegated from Division 1 going on to have awful Championships both Derry and Westmeath are gone, with Tyrone joining them - today was Tyrone's 5th game and 4th game against Ulster opposition. Where Tyrone will go from here will be interesting to see.

    Dublin, Mayo, Kerry , Cork and Kildare are the five Division 1 teams in the running, with Donegal, Monaghan, Meath, Galway and Armagh the Division 2 sides. These are the teams at the business end of the Championship -

    In terms of the teams still in action, all the teams that got promoted in the league bar Cavan - Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tipperary and Clare are all still in action, and Cavan as they will need little reminding got knocked out by a promoted team in Rosscommon. Obviously the draw helped a bit but you would have to add this to the evidence pile hat if a team is going well in the league it sets a team up pretty well for Championship. This isnt a hard and fast rule though,as evidenced by the Derry exception.

    The only 2 teams which got relegated and are still surviving are Kildare and Armagh - compared to Westmeath, Louth, Longford, and Offaly who have followed up relegation in the league with awful Championship form.

    There is some evidence that form carries the other way too - from championship to league. I remember looking at the ratings of teams with respect to their division in the league, and for the most part (Derry being an obvious exception), the 2 highest ranked teams from Div 2-4 were promoted and the 2 lowest ranking teams from Div 1-3 were relegated.

    I will post on this before the start of the league, see if it follows through for next year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Two more knock-out games and 2 provincial finals up for decision this weekend. Am away for a few days so will get this out early. The updated rankings should be posted by Wednesday.

    Roscommon (86,40) v Armagh (88,44)
    *Given the benefit of home advantage, Roscommon should win this, but their home form is not spectacular. Armagh by 1 point.

    Clare (76,63) v Kildare (90,30)
    *Kildare to win by 4 points.

    Dublin (102,23) v Meath (89,09)
    *Dublin won their games against Laois and Wexford by the predicted margin (+/- 1 point). Will Meath fall to a 10 point defeat and continue Dublin's close adherence to the rankings?

    Monaghan (93,54) v Donegal (94,30)
    *Monaghan should win by 2, but a draw would correlate more closely with their home form.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Al Monds


    Hello Laois Man,

    I have a complete set of results in SFC, SHC, NFL and NHL from inception to today.
    Would they be of any use to you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Al Monds wrote: »
    Hello Laois Man,

    I have a complete set of results in SFC, SHC, NFL and NHL from inception to today.
    Would they be of any use to you?

    I don't know about laois_man, whether he's going to go back and input all that information... sounds like a lot of work... but I'd certainly love to see all those results. A class resource.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Al Monds wrote: »
    Hello Laois Man,

    I have a complete set of results in SFC, SHC, NFL and NHL from inception to today.
    Would they be of any use to you?

    They would be of great use to me, especially the football results. I'm sure Hanalei would be interested in the hurling ones too.

    What format are they in, Al Monds? Possible to send them electronically?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭keysersoze0330


    Very interesting thread, laoisman. Well done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Al Monds


    All the results are in MS Excel.

    How do I send them?

    I tried to insert my email address and I was censored.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Al Monds wrote: »
    All the results are in MS Excel.

    How do I send them?

    I tried to insert my email address and I was censored.

    Excel will be very easy to handle, that's great. I'll send you a PM with my email address.

    Thanks a million.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Al Monds wrote: »
    Hello Laois Man,

    I have a complete set of results in SFC, SHC, NFL and NHL from inception to today.
    Would they be of any use to you?

    It would be great if we could google them,


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    * Armagh gained 2.14 rating points and leap-frogged Tyrone and Meath to move to 8th in the rankings, while Roscommon dropped 2 places
    * Kildare's win over Clare resulted in a very small point exchange (0.58) but it was enough for Kildare to climb a place
    * No points were exchanged following the Leinster final
    * Monaghan drop a place following their Ulster final loss, while Donegal make up ground on the top 3.

    Interestingly, the 4 provincial final winners top the rankings table.

    Only 2 games up for decision this weekend:

    Cork (93,33) v Sligo (75,99)
    * Results from all previous championship games (from 1994) predict a 7 point win for Cork and the elimination of the lowest ranking team left in the championship.

    Galway (83,73) v Tipperary (85,4)
    * A one point win for Tipperary

    #|Δ|Team|Rating points
    *1|-|Dublin|102,23
    *2|-|Kerry|98,96
    *3|-|Mayo|98,03
    *4|-|Donegal|96,61
    *5||Cork|93,33
    *6||Monaghan|91,24
    *7||Kildare|90,89
    *8|▲▲|Armagh|90,57
    9|▼▼|Tyrone|90,50
    *10||Meath|89,11
    *11||Tipperary|85,40
    12||Derry|85,00
    13|▼▼|Roscommon|84,30
    *14|-|Galway|83,73
    15|-|Laois|83,57
    16|-|Down|82,14
    17|-|Louth|79,14
    18|-|Cavan|79,08
    19|-|Wexford|76,79
    20|-|Clare|76,04
    *21|-|Sligo|75,99
    22|-|Westmeath|74,50
    23|-|Longford|74,17
    24|-|Fermanagh|72,87
    25|-|Limerick|72,62
    26|-|Antrim|70,57
    27|-|Wicklow|70,05
    28|-|Leitrim|69,68
    29|-|Offaly|67,42
    30|-|London|63,68
    31|-|Carlow|63,20
    32|-|Waterford|62,63
    33|-|New York|57,54
    *Teams with asterisk still in the championship


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Surprised to see Tipperary creeping up on the top ten, good on them and I would fancy them to beat Galway and reach the quarter final. Depending on how my own county performs in round 4 they could find themselves in the top 10 of these rankings.

    Not really surprised though that the four provincial winners make up the top 4, they're the four best teams out there atm and it would be difficult to look past them for Sam.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    * Galway gained 2.22 rating points and moved up 3 places in the rankings to 11th while Tipperary fell 4 places to 15th. Overall, it's been a great season for Tipperary, prior to the championship they had 78.19 rating points.
    * There were no rating points exchanged in the Cork – Sligo game, although Sligo did make a gain of 2.94 rating points over the course of this year's championship

    #|Δ|Team|Rating points
    *1|-|Dublin|102,23
    *2|-|Kerry|98,96
    *3|-|Mayo|98,03
    *4|-|Donegal|96,61
    *5|-|Cork|93,33
    *6|-|Monaghan|91,24
    *7|-|Kildare|90,89
    *8|-|Armagh|90,57
    9|-|Tyrone|90,50
    *10|-|Meath|89,11
    *11|▲▲▲|Galway|85,95
    12|-|Derry|85,00
    13|-|Roscommon|84,30
    14||Laois|83,57
    15|▼▼▼▼|Tipperary|83,18
    16|-|Down|82,14
    17|-|Louth|79,14
    18|-|Cavan|79,08
    19|-|Wexford|76,79
    20|-|Clare|76,04
    21|-|Sligo|75,99
    22|-|Westmeath|74,50
    23|-|Longford|74,17
    24|-|Fermanagh|72,87
    25|-|Limerick|72,62
    26|-|Antrim|70,57
    27|-|Wicklow|70,05
    28|-|Leitrim|69,68
    29|-|Offaly|67,42
    30|-|London|63,68
    31|-|Carlow|63,20
    32|-|Waterford|62,63
    33|-|New York|57,54
    * Teams with asterisk still in the championship


  • Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Armagh and Kildare ahead of Meath? No chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Armagh and Kildare ahead of Meath? No chance.

    If Meath can overcome Armagh this weekend, I'd expect them to make a big jump in the rankings. That's a big if though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭zombieHanalei


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Armagh and Kildare ahead of Meath? No chance.

    Based on recent championship results I think it's fair. Armagh and Kildare had good away wins over relatively high ranked teams in round two and followed that up with away wins in round three. Meath enter this weekend on the back of a massive hammering.

    Have a look again after this weekends qualifiers, all three teams in action, if Meath win they should move up to 8th I reckon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Yea I suppose this weekend will tell a lot. It is a great system though so fair play laoisman.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Its interesting as I am assuming its based purely on form, like the FIFA rankings, and goes against the idea people have in their heads about who are the best teams.

    e.g. If Tyrone were playing Kildare this weekend, most people would fancy Tyrone.

    Most people (here) seem to fancy Kildare to beat Monaghan.

    However, Monaghan have already beaten Tyrone this year in the championship.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭zombieHanalei


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Its interesting as I am assuming its based purely on form, like the FIFA rankings, and goes against the idea people have in their heads about who are the best teams.

    To be honest, I think laoisman11 has found a very good balance between current form and medium term consistency (i.e. a period of 18 or so months), the rankings I have been doing for hurling sway a little more towards medium term.

    So it can take longer for teams to make gains in my system, if laoisman's algorithm was applied to hurling I have a feeling Wexford would be 7th or 8th right now, while my system still has them down in 9th as his system is a little more rewarding to short term improvements.

    The football rankings are so much more difficult as the teams are closer together whereas in the hurling I'm ranking maybe 4 different pools of teams who almost never overlap.

    I have found this most interesting to follow throughout the championship, it has reacted very well to results throughout the summer, laoisman11 really has done an excellent job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,274 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Its interesting as I am assuming its based purely on form, like the FIFA rankings, and goes against the idea people have in their heads about who are the best teams.

    e.g. If Tyrone were playing Kildare this weekend, most people would fancy Tyrone.

    Most people (here) seem to fancy Kildare to beat Monaghan.

    However, Monaghan have already beaten Tyrone this year in the championship.

    People tend to judge on your last match, not form. It's hard to know where both teams are at, both have been inconsistent, going on the weekends results the extra week seems a help to the provincial final losers though these match ups are very close to call and the rankings reflect that, 6 v. 7 and 8 v. 10.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    K-9 wrote: »
    People tend to judge on your last match, not form. It's hard to know where both teams are at, both have been inconsistent, going on the weekends results the extra week seems a help to the provincial final losers though these match ups are very close to call and the rankings reflect that, 6 v. 7 and 8 v. 10.

    You're right, this group of teams are very closely ranked together - even the rating point difference between 6th and 10th is very small (2.13). This weekend will put a bit of daylight between these teams.


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