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2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

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  • #32
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Dublin aren't winning it this year, the pressure will tell. I just haven't decided who will yet.


  • #33
    Cavan_King
    Registered Users Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Anyone for the last of the five in a row scarves"
    Either Galvin is playing a cute game or the pack is catching up with Dublin.

    I'll wait and see how Dublin are in the Championship. I wouldn't read too much into League form.


  • #34
    jr86
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Dublin aren't winning it this year, the pressure will tell. I just haven't decided who will yet.

    But for each year of the 4 in a row run there has been ‘pressure’ on them and in each case they’ve passed with flying colours

    In 2015 it was could they bounce back after a disappointing defeat to Donegal in 2014. They beat a fine Mayo side after a replay, and dragged it out against defending champions Kerry in horrible conditions

    In 2016 they were aiming to become the first 2 in a row team in almost a decade and the first with the same manager in 16 years. Had a tough enough route where they had to beat the last 2 AI winners bar themselves plus Mayo, and in the semi and both finals they were in real bother at stages yet showed amazing bottle to come through

    In 2017 was the 3 in a row and overcame a superb Mayo performance. In 2018 it was to equal the great Kerry side and they cantered through the year.

    One of the most admirable things about this Dublin side is how they always find a way to win, even if they’re playing below par or they’re up against a lethal performance

    Looking at it objectively, barring an extraordinary amount of intangibles going against them, there really looks no-one to match them performance and ability wise.

    Its definitely not a vintage era for football.

    Kerry haven’t had a real significant championship win since 2015 and look to be a year or two off still. Dublin beat Tyrone at a canter in 2017 and never really looked in bother in 2018. Tyrone have a tough province to navigate and were very nearly dumped out of the back door last year. Mayo haven’t even won their own province since 2015, have a lot of baggage against this Dublin side and lack a substantial amount of top forwards. Galway were well beaten in the semi last year and again don’t look ready to truly challenge them.

    Sport being sport could throw up a surprise, of course, but objectively speaking and provided there isn’t a freak outbreak of injuries or whatever, this Dublin team still seems way too far ahead to be caught just yet. Maybe they might run into a Mayo where all the forwards play out of their skins and post big individual tallies or a Kerry who suddenly age significantly on the day, but it won’t be pressure that gets to them anyway, that’s for sure


  • #35
    C__MC
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    jr86 wrote: »
    But for each year of the 4 in a row run there has been ‘pressure’ on them and in each case they’ve passed with flying colours

    In 2015 it was could they bounce back after a disappointing defeat to Donegal in 2014. They beat a fine Mayo side after a replay, and dragged it out against defending champions Kerry in horrible conditions

    In 2016 they were aiming to become the first 2 in a row team in almost a decade and the first with the same manager in 16 years. Had a tough enough route where they had to beat the last 2 AI winners bar themselves plus Mayo, and in the semi and both finals they were in real bother at stages yet showed amazing bottle to come through

    In 2017 was the 3 in a row and overcame a superb Mayo performance. In 2018 it was to equal the great Kerry side and they cantered through the year.

    One of the most admirable things about this Dublin side is how they always find a way to win, even if they’re playing below par or they’re up against a lethal performance

    Looking at it objectively, barring an extraordinary amount of intangibles going against them, there really looks no-one to match them performance and ability wise.

    Its definitely not a vintage era for football.

    Kerry haven’t had a real significant championship win since 2015 and look to be a year or two off still. Dublin beat Tyrone at a canter in 2017 and never really looked in bother in 2018. Tyrone have a tough province to navigate and were very nearly dumped out of the back door last year. Mayo haven’t even won their own province since 2015, have a lot of baggage against this Dublin side and lack a substantial amount of top forwards. Galway were well beaten in the semi last year and again don’t look ready to truly challenge them.

    Sport being sport could throw up a surprise, of course, but objectively speaking and provided there isn’t a freak outbreak of injuries or whatever, this Dublin team still seems way too far ahead to be caught just yet. Maybe they might run into a Mayo where all the forwards play out of their skins and post big individual tallies or a Kerry who suddenly age significantly on the day, but it won’t be pressure that gets to them anyway, that’s for sure

    Solid analysis. Championship suits them now. For example mayo or Galway win Connacht and there in the super 8 group with Dublin, they might win that but would still have to beat them possibly in a final. Have to laugh at media reports bigging up the meath revival, Dublin would crush them


  • #36
    superbluedub
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Neither

    Gavin is not playing a cute game, he is not hiding anything, everyone knows how good they are.

    And if you look at Donegal 2014, Mayo 2016 and 2017 and even Kerry 2015, the pack are not as far behind Dublin as people think.

    Not forgetting Kerry in 2016 Kerry 2-14 Dublin 0-22

    Agreed pack where never far behind.


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  • #37
    robbiezero
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    superbluedub wrote: »
    Not forgetting Kerry in 2016 Kerry 2-14 Dublin 0-22

    Agreed pack where never far behind.

    Of all the last 4 years, the pack were farthest off last year.
    If you compare with KK going for 5 in a row, the biggest test to their 4 in a row had come the year before.
    From the league, I haven't seen much for the Dub fans to be worrying about, looks like Mayo if they can make it to face the Dubs will be the biggest danger to the 5 in a row.


  • #38
    superbluedub
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    robbiezero wrote: »
    Of all the last 4 years, the pack were farthest off last year.
    If you compare with KK going for 5 in a row, the biggest test to their 4 in a row had come the year before.
    From the league, I haven't seen much for the Dub fans to be worrying about, looks like Mayo if they can make it to face the Dubs will be the biggest danger to the 5 in a row.

    I for one am not worrying, my hunger for sams has been quenched with the 4 in a row :D , if the 5 is done even better , we will just have to wait and see !


  • #39
    grbear
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    C__MC wrote: »
    Definitely Dublin’s to lose, surprised the media are claiming there falling in back in the pack. They played the league without some of the great great players. Full back line is a worry but it has been since 2015. Doesn’t get exposed thar much as they cover so well and score at will at the other end.

    Connolly and o Carroll returning ?

    Maybe I am being overly cynical here but I think theres been a definite attempt after the league to talk Dublin down for the following reasons:

    1. Talking down the championship last year, both in terms of the quality of football and Dublins dominance, backfired big time as people simply weren't as interested. The viewing figures for the All-Ireland final were down by almost 300,000 compared to 2017. If that sort of slump was reflected in other forms of media then there has to be a lot of journalists starting to get nervous about their employment prospects.

    2. With the greatest of respect to Cavan-Monaghan, which is the pick of the early games, there isn't a real headline grabbing match early in the championship. Mayo-Galway may have turned out to be a dour match but from the moment the league finished last year it really stood out as a game where the outcome would have a big impact on how the championship would shake out. The possible emergence of Galway as a contender versus the idea of this being the last hurrah of a great Mayo side generated plenty of talking points. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent match early on this year.


  • #40
    robbiezero
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    grbear wrote: »
    Maybe I am being overly cynical here but I think theres been a definite attempt after the league to talk Dublin down for the following reasons:

    1. Talking down the championship last year, both in terms of the quality of football and Dublins dominance, backfired big time as people simply weren't as interested. The viewing figures for the All-Ireland final were down by almost 300,000 compared to 2017. If that sort of slump was reflected in other forms of media then there has to be a lot of journalists starting to get nervous about their employment prospects.

    I agree completely. I have been very surprised at the store being put in Dublins league defeats by the media. I do think its an attempt to talk up the championship a bit, but I haven't talked to any real supporters that have placed any significance the league outcomes.

    IMO Dublin won't be coming back to the pack this year, it will be up to a team to come out of the pack and bring it to them. For me the most likely to do that is Mayo, but the reason they are 8/1 and Kerry are 4/1 even though in a single match up v Dublin, Mayo have a much better chance than Kerry, is that Mayo have a reasonably tough route to the Super - 8s, whereas Kerry's second team would get to the Super 8.


  • #41
    robbiezero
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    grbear wrote: »

    2. With the greatest of respect to Cavan-Monaghan, which is the pick of the early games, there isn't a real headline grabbing match early in the championship. Mayo-Galway may have turned out to be a dour match but from the moment the league finished last year it really stood out as a game where the outcome would have a big impact on how the championship would shake out. The possible emergence of Galway as a contender versus the idea of this being the last hurrah of a great Mayo side generated plenty of talking points. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent match early on this year.

    Yep. Nothing for a while. Munster and Leinster have no matches of interest really.
    The likely match up of Mayo v Roscommon in the Connacht semi-final will be of some interest alright to see what Horans Mayo are made of in championship action, although Mayo should win this, and then a likely Connacht final v Galway will certainly be an interesting tussle.
    Ulster, you are probably waiting on the Donegal v Tyrone semi-final which will be the biggest clash of the championship to that date and will see one of the top 6 head the qualifying route.
    Cavan v Monaghan is relatively interesting in that its going to be a really tough fixture for Monaghan in Breffni and if they were to falter at that hurdle, it would be a long haul for them into the Super 8s.


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  • #42
    OldMrBrennan83
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    robbiezero wrote: »
    Yep. Nothing for a while. Munster and Leinster have no matches of interest really.
    The likely match up of Mayo v Roscommon in the Connacht semi-final will be of some interest alright to see what Horans Mayo are made of in championship action, although Mayo should win this, and then a likely Connacht final v Galway will certainly be an interesting tussle.
    Ulster, you are probably waiting on the Donegal v Tyrone semi-final which will be the biggest clash of the championship to that date and will see one of the top 6 head the qualifying route.
    Cavan v Monaghan is relatively interesting in that its going to be a really tough fixture for Monaghan in Breffni and if they were to falter at that hurdle, it would be a long haul for them into the Super 8s.

    Should be some decent games early in Leinster, it's just that we won't see them. Louth v Wexford, Kildare v Longford, Westmeath v Laois all look potentially good when you're not just looking for the big boys.

    Munster does look very one sided until we get to Tipperary and Cork in the semi finals though.


  • #43
    BonnieSituation
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

    Munster does look very one sided until we get to Tipperary and Cork in the semi finals though.


    Makes a change from every other year I guess...


  • #44
    robbiezero
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Should be some decent games early in Leinster, it's just that we won't see them. Louth v Wexford, Kildare v Longford, Westmeath v Laois all look potentially good when you're not just looking for the big boys.

    Munster does look very one sided until we get to Tipperary and Cork in the semi finals though.

    Decent games and will have plenty of local interest and passing interest elsewhere, but none of them will have any impact on the final stages of the championship.

    The first round of the hurling is an absolute sizzler. All huge games bar the Carlow one.


  • #45
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    Mayo win in NYC by 21, game over after 10mins, no surprise.

    Galway on the other hand survive a scare in London by winning by 4

    Not sure how much of a scare it was but that's what the are saying in the media.


  • #46
    blowitupref
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Mayo win in NYC by 21, game over after 10mins, no surprise.

    Galway on the other hand survive a scare in London by winning by 4

    Not sure how much of a scare it was but that's what the are saying in the media.
    Level at half time. Just 3 points in it going into injury time when London hit the post to level it would be a big scare. By all accounts, London came with a plan, were fit and well organized probably something Galway weren't expecting.


  • #47
    Grueller
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    blowitupref wrote: »
    Level at half time. Just 3 points in it going into injury time when London hit the post to level it would be a big scare. By all accounts, London came with a plan, were fit and well organized probably something Galway weren't expecting.

    Any Ciaran Deely coached team will be fit and well organised. Serious loss to football in Wexford.


  • #48
    blowitupref
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    Half times in the Leinster and Munster championship games

    Kildare 0-9 Wicklow 0-4
    Tipp 0-8 Limerick 0-8
    Clare 0-8 Waterford 0-2


  • #49
    Mahony0509
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    Limerick leading by 7 with 10 mins left. Now that's a shock.


  • #50
    Mahony0509
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    What a result for Limerick.
    Tipperary 1-10
    Limerick 3-11

    Cork vs Limerick on June 1st in Pairc ui Rinn.


  • #51
    TCM
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    Limerick given no chance. Some result.


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  • #52
    blowitupref
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    Serious result for Limerick who finished 2nd last in Div 4 and tonight beat 2016 All Ireland semi finalists.

    Other results
    Kildare 0-15 Wicklow 1-10
    Clare 0-9 Waterford 0-8

    The other Div 4 teams Wicklow,Waterford more than held their own against the hot favourites.


  • #53
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Kildare must be poor enough.


  • #54
    Hammer Archer
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    Clare only scoring 9 points (only 1 I the second half) is seriously poor.
    Such a pity that Tipp have gone into free fall after getting to the semi finals a few years back.
    I would assume that we can win tomorrow relatively easily but today shows we can't take it for granted.


  • #55
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Clare only scoring 9 points (only 1 I the second half) is seriously poor.
    Such a pity that Tipp have gone into free fall after getting to the semi finals a few years back.
    I would assume that we can win tomorrow relatively easily but today shows we can't take it for granted.

    Who's that? Is there football tomorrow?


  • #56
    Bleating Lamb
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    What is wrong in Kildare football?.....the counties population mushroomed on the back of the first economic boom and yet they are as far away now as they have ever being from not alone challenging realistically for a Leinster title or All Ireland.
    Is it that there are poor club structures,poor Co Board or lack of interest in GAA??....,,.because they are punching way below their weight at the moment.


  • #57
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Kildare must be poor enough.
    Last year they lost to Carlow
    But ended up in the quarter finals beating Mayo on the way

    And in the quarters they gave a good account of themselves.

    They are inconsistent rather than poor.


  • #58
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    What is wrong in Kildare football?.....the counties population mushroomed on the back of the first economic boom and yet they are as far away now as they have ever being from not alone challenging realistically for a Leinster title or All Ireland.
    Is it that there are poor club structures,poor Co Board or lack of interest in GAA??....,,.because they are punching way below their weight at the moment.

    Didn't they have a few players jib this year on joining the panel? Probably hard to keep lads interested in a county like that too where it's all so well off.


  • #59
    blowitupref
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Who's that? Is there football tomorrow?


    He would be talking about Meath.



    Tyrone v Derry
    Roscommn v Leitrim
    Meath v Offaly
    Wexford v Louth

    on tomorrow.


  • #60
    OldMrBrennan83
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    blowitupref wrote: »
    He would be talking about Meath.



    Tyrone v Derry
    Roscommn v Leitrim
    Meath v Offaly
    Wexford v Louth

    on tomorrow.

    Didn't realise there were any. He's nothing to worry about at least.


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  • #61
    C__MC
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    Tipp going backwards, surprised there wasn’t as much of a media kick on their relegation. Will always be a hurling county. Kildare sloppy but still fancy them to make a Leinster final. Munster is a dead duck but fair play to limerick


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