HKC VS Siemens App Discussion Stickey Temp

KoolKid · 16-04-2019 9:45pm

If that's all it is they are very late to the party.

Drifter50 · 16-04-2019 10:15pm

They say it is multi panel capable

Siemens, Visonic etc etc

I want to see what deals are on offer it its a tie to their ARC

Eccentric Toast · 24-04-2019 1:49pm

Would anyone be able to recommend a Siemens/SPC installer?

It's a new build with the house prewired but the detached garage is not. Im guessing that means I need a hybrid system. I'm looking for self monitored with an app that can be used to arm/disarm it. Home automation integration would be nice but not a necessity.

It was a battle between HKC and Siemens but from what I've researched I think Siemens was the better choice for me.

vintagecosmos · 24-04-2019 2:50pm

get in touch with Kool Kid on here. He looked after me well.

KoolKid · 02-05-2019 4:49pm

I see the HKC app increase is back on the agenda.
Going for the softly softly approach. To €5.58 from June.

Drifter50 · 02-05-2019 9:14pm

Yes, a letter to all the installers sent out today. Customers won`t like this, its already hard to sell an APP with an annual cost

KoolKid · 02-05-2019 9:45pm

The commission is a joke. Installers get a percentage of the increase.
Its a hard up lad who would be selling this for a percentage of 49c.

After the reaction to the €2 increase 'I imagine this will be more a slippery slope like Nexflix.
I've said it from the start with all these style models. The only way is up.:mad:

Atomic Pineapple · 03-05-2019 12:40pm

Eccentric Toast wrote: »

Would anyone be able to recommend a Siemens/SPC installer?

Have you found anyone?

I've tried 8 places and not one of them do it. 7 of them said they wouldn't do anything other than HKC. 1 mentioned an Agility 3 alarm or something along those lines.

A lot of them said they wouldn't trust the Siemens one as it has to remain in contact with an external server. Is this true?

I'm sure the HKC system is solid but it looks mank, seems outdated, and appears to be pretty costly.

KoolKid · 03-05-2019 1:39pm

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

A lot of them said they wouldn't trust the Siemens one as it has to remain in contact with an external server. Is this true?

They all remain in contact with an external server. That's how the apps work.
However Siemens Vanderbilt is the only one that let's you bypass this and connect directly to the panel if you so wish.
Sounds like another example of an installer who wants you to buy what he wants not what you want. Shop around.
Where are you located?
If you contact some of your local suppliers they would be able to tell you who is buying! Installing Siemens /Vanderbilt.

Atomic Pineapple · 03-05-2019 4:14pm

KoolKid wrote: »

They all remain in contact with an external server. That's how the apps work.
However Siemens Vanderbilt is the only one that let's you bypass this and connect directly to the panel if you so wish.

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification.

KoolKid wrote: »

Where are you located?

South Meath.

KoolKid wrote: »

If you contact some of your local suppliers they would be able to tell you who is buying! Installing Siemens /Vanderbilt.

Not sure I can even find local suppliers

KoolKid · 03-05-2019 5:39pm

Sent you a PM of a company that should be able to look after you.

RonnieRoz · 07-05-2019 3:01pm

Hi Koolkid, could you please PM someone for a wireless install in Kildare (I have an existing hard wired alarm but is giving off false alarms, 17 years old) so I presume wireless is my only option. Just reading back through the posts you seem to know what you are talking about!

Self monitored with ability to use an app if possible

Thanks!!!

Atomic Pineapple · 14-05-2019 10:03am

Quick question about the Vanderbilt system, I see that there are wireless components available. Is the system capable of hybrid connections. So, the perimeter will be wired but have wireless internal sensors?

KoolKid · 14-05-2019 11:16am

You can. But they don't have wireless shock sensors.

Atomic Pineapple · 14-05-2019 6:48pm

KoolKid wrote: »

You can. But they don't have wireless shock sensors.

That's fine only interested in wireless motion detectors. I doubt they can sync with wireless cameras either? Can't find anything that says they do anyway.

Duit · 23-05-2019 2:33pm

We recently bought a house that doesn't have an alarm. We would be interested in something like that:

- Wireless, perimeter security (in windows with shock sensors)
- Motion detectors (PIR with or without cameras)
- Keypad with the potential to disarm and arm with tags (for cleaners and visitors)
- monitored (via company)
- communication via WIFI and GSM (both)
- panic button
- possibility to connect smoke alarms and other detectors (gas, CO2, etc)
- frequent pooling (your advise is welcome)

What would you recommend? Anything else that might be missing?

Thank you for your support!

KoolKid · 23-05-2019 2:49pm

Of the systems I know GSD would be the one that would best suit all your needs there.
Fast polling leaves HKC out. You only get notified of connection fails after 5 hours or 90 minutes on their premium connection.
GSD can be set as low as 5 minutes but with standard central station monitoring charges you can be contacted within 15 minutes of total comms fails.
Siemens Vanderbilt have very fast polling also but they don't have any wireless shock sensors which you would need for accessible windows and doors.
The rest of your requirements would be standard on all systems really.

Duit · 23-05-2019 2:52pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Of the systems I know GSD would be the one that would best suit all your needs there.
Fast polling leaves HKC out. You only get notified of connection fails after 5 hours or 90 minutes on their premium connection.
GSD can be set as low as 5 minutes but with standard central station monitoring charges you can be contacted within 15 minutes of total comms fails.
Siemens Vanderbilt have very fast polling also but they don't have any wireless shock sensors which you would need for accessible windows and doors.
The rest of your requirements would be standard on all systems really.

Thank you for your quick response Koolkid! I was having a look at GSD and looks cool but I can't find any installer in Dublin. Any recommendation? (PM if required)

KoolKid · 23-05-2019 6:48pm

There are plenty. Contact GSD (01) 524 2691 & they will put you in contact with installers in your area.

Duit · 24-05-2019 10:07am

KoolKid wrote: »

There are plenty. Contact GSD (01) 524 2691 & they will put you in contact with installers in your area.

Brilliant! Will do so! Thank you very much for your support!

vbhagaur · 29-05-2019 6:02pm

Hey guys, i just wanted to get an idea around whats the right amount when it comes to installation of say a HKC or Resco system in a 4 bed terraced house prewired for security system.

The estimate i got are around 1000-1200 euros. This is before 150-200 for GSM kit install separately.
Like discussed here at length for HKC i am being asked to pay 9.99 per month for self monitoring (+8 for the app thats one time so dont mind that) and 12 per month for Resco.

The panel suggested are Resco Lightsys 2 and HKC SW10270.

You guys think these prices are what you expect these to be? Thanks in advance.

KoolKid · 29-05-2019 6:10pm

Those prices are a little confusing. At the moment HKCs pricing is :

SecureComm Service Level
Standard - €4.99 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 50 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Monitoring to Central Station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 5 hours

Premium - €7.00 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 100 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Voice dialler notifications
Monitoring to Central Station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity reported to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 90 min

Are you getting something extra on the Risco LightSYS?
Their standard app is free to use. Apps free to download also.

vbhagaur · 29-05-2019 6:18pm

I agree 100%, they are confusing.
I am not getting anything else with Risco either, just had 12 euros in case of self monitoring as quoted below. The app is free to use thats for sure...

Option 1 – Self monitoring - This is where we install the GSM onto the system and you
download the app onto your smart phones. This allows you to control and monitor the system
remotely via the app. Also in the event of an activation you will receive notification of a
system activation. You can log in and see where the activation occurred etc. you then decide
how you want to respond to this, whether you turn off and reset or notify someone to check
up.
Costs for this option:
1 x GSM Communicator (supplied and fitted, once off payment) - €100.00 inc vat
1 x GSM Annual Sim Fee - €12 inc vat per month - PAID BY Direct Debit

garo · 31-05-2019 7:07pm

Those monthly charges seema bit high. Have you shopped around?

PS: @Koolkid, I went for a self-install in the end along with some help from a spark for the fused spur. Very happy with the Vanderbilt. It's a class system.

Atomic Pineapple · 17-06-2019 3:35pm

Am I right in reading that the Vanderbilt system needs a hard wired internet connection? It can't work off Wifi?

soSolid · 17-06-2019 3:38pm

I have the LAN connection on mine connected to a wireless bridge which connects to the house wifi and it works fine.

Atomic Pineapple · 17-06-2019 3:44pm

soSolid wrote: »

I have the LAN connection on mine connected to a wireless bridge which connects to the house wifi and it works fine.

Like a TP Link plugged into a wall socket? There are no sockets near where our control panel would go though

soSolid · 17-06-2019 3:49pm

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

Like a TP Link plugged into a wall socket? There is no sockets near where our control panel would go though

I know there's a wireless module for the SPC but it's for wireless contacts etc and not for wifi connectivity. You could run a long Cat5/6 cable from the panel to somewhere that has a plug and use a TP Link type module there? I'm lucky as I have a 13A socket right beside the panel...

Atomic Pineapple · 17-06-2019 4:01pm

soSolid wrote: »

I know there's a wireless module for the SPC but it's for wireless contacts etc and not for wifi connectivity. You could run a long Cat5/6 cable from the panel to somewhere that has a plug and use a TP Link type module there? I'm lucky as I have a 13A socket right beside the panel...

Yeh, I could, but then I'd be dealing with the missus and her rage every time she comes in and out the door

Will probably need to look at GSD instead as it seems to have WiFi connectivity.

soSolid · 17-06-2019 4:13pm

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

Yeh, I could, but then I'd be dealing with the missus and her rage every time she comes in and out the door

Will probably need to look at GSD instead as it seems to have WiFi connectivity.

@Koolkid knows more about this than I do

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