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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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    #92
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    20silkcut wrote: »
    That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They have made this a referendum on Trump by running such an inoffensive candidate against him. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.
    He's also called himself a transition candidate. If the US want options for their future, he's a smart choice. If they just want to hunker down inside their respective mutual loathing bubbles and opt for chaos then Trump is the only man for it. I recall being bemused that all dystopian YA novels were set in a version of the US, not any more. I hope for them it's Biden, polls suggest it should be Biden but Trump could still win or try to win. Tomorrow may be a brighter day!


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    #93
    8-10
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    20silkcut wrote: »
    That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They have made this a referendum on Trump by running such an inoffensive candidate against him. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.

    Exactly, old white weathered politician who regularly goes to mass, had son in the military and previously had conservative views on gay marriage and abortion after criticising Roe v Wade decision at the time.

    Trying to paint him as a radical leftist intent on socialism is just mad.

    If this was 4 years ago he'd have suffered the same as Hillary, even more so, as Democrats don't think he goes far enough in policy. That time progressive voters stayed away or voted for Gary Johnston and that helped Trump. That cohort now don't care that Biden is a worse option than Hillary, they've learned their lesson and won't want another 4 years of this nonsense.

    Of the 97million early votes, 8million are voters who are voting for the very first time...but an additional 24million are voters who have voted before, but didn't vote in 2016. That's interesting, 25%

    Trump's base is strong, but I don't see where he's picking up votes outside of his base.

    Biden with >5m excess in popular vote for me, and 330+ electoral college votes


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    #94
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    8-10 wrote: »
    Exactly, old white weathered politician who regularly goes to mass, had son in the military and previously had conservative views on gay marriage and abortion after criticising Roe v Wade decision at the time.

    Trying to paint him as a radical leftist intent on socialism is just mad.

    If this was 4 years ago he'd have suffered the same as Hillary, even more so, as Democrats don't think he goes far enough in policy. That time progressive voters stayed away or voted for Gary Johnston and that helped Trump. That cohort now don't care that Biden is a worse option than Hillary, they've learned their lesson and won't want another 4 years of this nonsense.

    Of the 97million early votes, 8million are voters who are voting for the very first time...but an additional 24million are voters who have voted before, but didn't vote in 2016. That's interesting, 25%

    Trump's base is strong, but I don't see where he's picking up votes outside of his base.

    Biden with >5m excess in popular vote for me, and 330+ electoral college votes


    He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.


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    #95
    duploelabs
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.

    Kamala Harris, former AG for California, is radical left?? Give over


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    #96
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Kamala Harris, former AG for California, is radical left?? Give over
    Yes


    Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019


    https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/


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    #97
    TomOnBoard
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes


    Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019


    https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/

    In Irish political circles, Kamala would rank just slightly left of Michael Mc Dowell!


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    #98
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Several below standard , one liner type posts deleted.

    Keep it on topic please.


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    #99
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    In Irish political circles, Kamala would rank just slightly left of Michael Mc Dowell!


    So, just slightly left of one of the most right wing people we've had in Ireland?The PDs would be just slightly less right than Renua.


    I think thats nonsense. If you're going to come out with hyperbole at least have it make sense.

    3/10 would not reccomend


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    #100
    beggars_bush
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    Usually I'd stay up for the first few states to declare, but not this time.


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    #101
    Canice Picklington
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭Canice Picklington


    We may not get an official result tonight, but the lie of the land could become apparent quickly enough. It generally does.


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    #102
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,130 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Canice Picklington wrote: »
    We may not get an official result tonight, but the lie of the land could become apparent quickly enough. It generally does.

    Well florida will be announced overnight and if trump loses that then it's curtains for hin


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    #103
    L1011
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes


    Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019

    "most liberal Senator" in the US does not even come vaguely close to "radical left".

    The "radical left" in the US barely exist and certainly have no Senators.


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    #104
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.

    Harris was picked as a play for the urban black voters in swing state cities like Philadelphia, Detroit etc.

    There was a large turnout of black voters in 2008 and 2012 when there was a black candidate on the ballot, but that turnout declined in 2016.

    Harris is there to try and get them back out to vote.


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    #105
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,613 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes


    Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019


    https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/

    Interesting, in the year AOC became a senator with a cohort of like minded women also getting in. A former prosecutor and Attorney General is gifted the most liberal 'lefty' award.

    Very interesting, Im not even sure you type this stuff without a smirk on your face.


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    #106
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    listermint wrote: »
    Interesting, in the year AOC became a senator with a cohort of like minded women also getting in. A former prosecutor and Attorney General is gifted the most liberal 'lefty' award.

    Very interesting, Im not even sure you type this stuff without a smirk on your face.

    AOC is in the House, not the Senate. Furthering the thing that being the apparently furthest left in the Senate isn't particularly left at all.


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    #107
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,613 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    L1011 wrote: »
    AOC is in Congress, not the Senate. Furthering the thing that being the apparently furthest left in the Senate isn't particularly left at all.

    excuse my poor terminology.


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    #108
    Canice Picklington
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭Canice Picklington


    The last four years have been a ghoulish nightmare. The ramifications of tonight are huge, not just for America but for the world. Defeat for Trump would be a massive defeat for the worldwide far right and for dictatorship - for the Brexiteers, for Putin, for Erdogan, for Bin Salman, for Modi, for Duterte, for Bolsonaro, for Orban, for Netanyahu, for Le Pen, for Salvini, for Lukashenko, for Xi, for the fascist scumbags in Ireland who call for the execution of members of the Dail and demand that Covid run rampant through us. It's only a building block from which we can help to build a better world, but it's a vital, necessary one. America must not fail or the world will fail.


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    #109
    martingriff
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    Canice Picklington wrote: »
    The last four years have been a ghoulish nightmare. The ramifications of tonight are huge, not just for America but for the world. Defeat for Trump would be a massive defeat for the worldwide far right and for dictatorship - for the Brexiteers, for Putin, for Erdogan, for Bin Salman, for Modi, for Duterte, for Bolsonaro, for Orban, for Netanyahu, for Le Pen, for Salvini, for Lukashenko, for Xi, for the fascist scumbags in Ireland who call for the execution of members of the Dail and demand that Covid run rampant through us. It's only a building block from which we can help to build a better world, but it's a vital, necessary one. America must not fail or the world will fail.

    If you think a defeat for Trump will having any effect on those examples then you are going to be dissapointed


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    #110
    Canice Picklington
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭Canice Picklington


    martingriff wrote: »
    If you think a defeat for Trump will having any effect on those examples then you are going to be dissapointed

    Trump is the spiritual king of the international far right. All of those I mentioned are part of an international alliance of kleptocracy and all of them take huge succour from Trump being in power. Trump being voted out would not bring any of them down by itself but it would be a clear setback to all of them and a huge encouragement to democratic forces all over the world that despots and despotism and rejection of truth and reason can be defeated. There is often a domino effect in politics.

    If he steals the election, on the other hand...


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    #111
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    martingriff wrote: »
    If you think a defeat for Trump will having any effect on those examples then you are going to be dissapointed

    There's often extremely straightforward relationships from one to the other.

    For example, would Trump have abandoned the Kurds if he wasn't compromised by business deals in Turkey?

    For Putin, there has been a push to dismantle sanctions on him and his cronies since Trump came to power. The US will seek retribution for the interference in the 2016 election and seek to stymie the efforts Putin has made to spread his ideoglogy (inasmuch as it is one) by bankrolling various movements, such as Lega Nord in Italy and Le Pen in France. If Trump made no difference to Putin, Putin wouldn't have helped get him elected.

    It may be too far in the past now, and the US has always been happy to look the other way on human rights abuses when money is involved, but I think we will also see some effort to address Saudi Arabia and its murder of Jamal Khasoggi, and also the war and humanitarian crisis in Yemen.


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    #112
    Psychiatric Patrick
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Trump babbling about “violence in the streets”.

    Someone has Francis Underwood as a role model.


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    #113
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    Trump babbling about “violence in the streets”.

    Someone has Francis Underwood as a role model.

    In any other time, or in any previous election, this would have caused uproar but because Trump has lowered the bar so much, people just shrug and move on. Hopefully this the last sting of a dying wasp.


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    #114
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Canice Picklington wrote: »
    The last four years have been a ghoulish nightmare. The ramifications of tonight are huge, not just for America but for the world. Defeat for Trump would be a massive defeat for the worldwide far right and for dictatorship - for the Brexiteers, for Putin, for Erdogan, for Bin Salman, for Modi, for Duterte, for Bolsonaro, for Orban, for Netanyahu, for Le Pen, for Salvini, for Lukashenko, for Xi, for the fascist scumbags in Ireland who call for the execution of members of the Dail and demand that Covid run rampant through us. It's only a building block from which we can help to build a better world, but it's a vital, necessary one. America must not fail or the world will fail.

    Goodness me. Steady on.


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    #115
    weemcd
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    I'm starting to get that sick feeling of dread in the pit of my stomach that Trump is going to get back in somehow. Even though I've been reasonably confident of a Biden win for the last couple of months..


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    #116
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Watching Foxnews, apparentyl Joe Biden is the angriest candidate they're ever seen?!?!??????

    Do these people have no shame? Is this the biased media everyone keeps talking about?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #117
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Typical leftist babble and nonsense. Incoherent ramblings. Actually I can see why biden seems to appeal to these people.





    Violence in the streets is caused by the burning looting mob. They are leftists.

    The families of the people murdered by Kyle Rittenhouse would say differently.


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    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Typical leftist babble and nonsense. Incoherent ramblings. Actually I can see why biden seems to appeal to these people.





    Violence in the streets is caused by the burning looting mob. They are leftists.

    What's a leftist? Is there such a thing as a rightist?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #119
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Brian? wrote: »
    What's a leftist? Is there such a thing as a rightist?
    Oh , come on now. Not the time for pedantry. You know well what I meant.


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    #120
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Oh , come on now. Not the time for pedantry. You know well what I meant.

    No actually, I don't.


    Everyone from Bernie Sanders to Joe Biden to Hilary Clinton have been called "leftist". If you're going to throw the word around, there should be some sort of definition for it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #121
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Brian? wrote: »
    No actually, I don't.


    Everyone from Bernie Sanders to Joe Biden to Hilary Clinton have been called "leftist". If you're going to throw the word around, there should be some sort of definition for it.
    Luckily for you there is
    https://www.politicalcompass.org/


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