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  • #392
    Illgetmycoat
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭Illgetmycoat


    Cheers Einstein 🤓


  • #393
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Dev/Ireland were wimps when it came to officially supporting the Allies in WW2. Don't give me any of this oh shure we're just a new State and we have no resources bullshyte. Signed Hitler's book of condolences FFS. Shameful and a black mark on Irish history.

    "Enemy of my enemy is a friend" rings true here is feel...also didn't the Nazi's he'll us out with arms?


  • #394
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    "Enemy of my enemy is a friend" rings true here is feel...also didn't the Nazi's he'll us out with arms?
    What? No!


    You're thinking of The Rising, long, long before the Nazis


  • #395
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    What? No!


    You're thinking of The Rising, long, long before the Nazis

    But enemy of my enemy still stand tho


  • #396
    A Shropshire Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭A Shropshire Lad


    The idea that Hitler somehow 'brainwashed' the German nation into following him has been proven to be false. True, there was a lot of intimidation involved, like any dictatorship. But ordinary Germans, who had not been associated with the Nazi movement were more than happy to get involved once they were told they were 'superior' to other groups of people.Not just in Germany but also in eastern europe and Russia, if you didnt like your neighbours you could denounce them to the Nazis, they might even disappear.


    Hitlers 'evil genius' was understanding basic human nature


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  • #397
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    The idea that Hitler somehow 'brainwashed' the German nation into following him has been proven to be false. True, there was a lot of intimidation involved, like any dictatorship. But ordinary Germans, who had not been associated with the Nazi movement were more than happy to get involved once they were told they were 'superior' to other groups of people.Not just in Germany but also in eastern europe and Russia, if you didnt like your neighbours you could denounce them to the Nazis, they might even disappear.


    Hitlers 'evil genius' was understanding basic human nature

    Standard divide and conquer


  • #398
    dancingwith
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭dancingwith


    Tell me how wrote: »
    It wasn't leading. It was terrorising.

    So you think Hitler got all the members of the Nazi party to follow him just by being really scary ?


  • #399
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    dancingwith wrote: »
    So you think Hitler got all the members of the Nazi party to follow him just by being really scary ?

    From 1920 onwards he was talking about the chosen race and blaming the Jews. I think he created a narrative where people fell in to line pointing fingers at others so as not to have them pointed at him.

    Not what I would describe as leading in any conventional sense.


  • #400
    Greyfox
    Registered Users Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    The idea that Hitler somehow 'brainwashed' the German nation into following him has been proven to be false. True, there was a lot of intimidation involved, like any dictatorship. But ordinary Germans, who had not been associated with the Nazi movement were more than happy to get involved once they were told they were 'superior' to other groups of people.Not just in Germany but also in eastern europe and Russia, if you didnt like your neighbours you could denounce them to the Nazis, they might even disappear.


    Hitlers 'evil genius' was understanding basic human nature

    It hasn't because his propaganda did brainwash them. The German public didn't really choose to get involved, instead they just looked the other way. The German public couldn't really go against the world's biggest army anyway.


  • #401
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A Shropshire Lad wrote: »
    The idea that Hitler somehow 'brainwashed' the German nation into following him has been proven to be false. True, there was a lot of intimidation involved, like any dictatorship. But ordinary Germans, who had not been associated with the Nazi movement were more than happy to get involved once they were told they were 'superior' to other groups of people.Not just in Germany but also in eastern europe and Russia, if you didnt like your neighbours you could denounce them to the Nazis, they might even disappear.


    Hitlers 'evil genius' was understanding basic human nature

    Hence it wasn't conventional leadership.


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  • #402
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how wrote: »
    From 1920 onwards he was talking about the chosen race and blaming the Jews. I think he created a narrative where people fell in to line pointing fingers at others so as not to have them pointed at him.

    Not what I would describe as leading in any conventional sense.

    How Brexitesque of him!


  • #403
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Greyfox wrote: »
    It hasn't because his propaganda did brainwash them. The German public didn't really choose to get involved, instead they just looked the other way. The German public couldn't really go against the world's biggest army anyway.

    It wasn't all that big when Hitler first came to power.


  • #404
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Dev/Ireland were wimps when it came to officially supporting the Allies in WW2. Don't give me any of this oh shure we're just a new State and we have no resources bullshyte. Signed Hitler's book of condolences FFS. Shameful and a black mark on Irish history.

    Speaking of bullshìt, if Dev signing a book of condolences was "shameful and a black mark on Irish history", can we take it that your moral outrage about the six years of British state collaboration - "appeasement" - with Nazi Germany prior to September 1939, when they finally decided to stop being communist-fearing/fascist-supporting wimps, is off the Richter scale?


  • #405
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Dev/Ireland were wimps when it came to officially supporting the Allies in WW2. Don't give me any of this oh shure we're just a new State and we have no resources bullshyte. Signed Hitler's book of condolences FFS. Shameful and a black mark on Irish history.

    yeah maybe we (i.e. they in 1940's) should have sent a few airborne divisions.

    zero point zero shame around anything involving ireland and WW2.
    couldn't give a shyte if dev kept a panini sticker book of adolf and team axis. hope he took him to a barry manilow concert and bought him coffee the next morning.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

    😁



  • #406
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    The U.S stayed out of it until they were attacked at Pearl Harbour. Sweden Switzerland Spain Portugal stayed neutral. It is generally acknowledged that Eire was "neutral " on the right side but I dont think the Irish would have accepted the Royal Navy back into the ports


  • #407
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    dancingwith wrote: »
    Adolf Hitler was a very effective leader.

    Compared to who?

    Take a look at germany (or the world) before and after hitler. He didn't exactly improve things!

    He makes Brian Cowen look like a gift from god!


  • #408
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Compared to who?

    Take a look at germany (or the world) before and after hitler. He didn't exactly improve things!

    He makes Brian Cowen look like a gift from god!

    He got everyone together for a common goal. Wasn't a good one in hindsight by sure it's 20/20


  • #409
    con___manx1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Dev/Ireland were wimps when it came to officially supporting the Allies in WW2. Don't give me any of this oh shure we're just a new State and we have no resources bullshyte. Signed Hitler's book of condolences FFS. Shameful and a black mark on Irish history.

    We didnt have a proper army then. Dont forget the english were as bad as the germans here less than 20 years before ww2 started. Dev would have seen the worst of that.
    Im sure he didnt really care that the uk was being blown to bits.


  • #410
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    He got everyone together for a common goal. Wasn't a good one in hindsight by sure it's 20/20

    Well, apart from the Jewish community who he was targeting and blaming for difficulties Germany was experiencing from the early 1920's.


  • #411
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Well, apart from the Jewish community who he was targeting and blaming for difficulties Germany was experiencing from the early 1920's.

    Everyone together against the jews of course. A common goal like I said.

    There is always a fall guy to focus the attention on. We are blessed nowadays as we have so many topics to distract us from the failings and endless scandals of our government. We have hourly Trump articles for one. Then there is Brexit and climate change.

    Plenty to keep the plebs busy and distracted. Well played.
    Never forget that leo had his own publicly funded spin unit and paid for ads in the media supporting Ireland 2040 plan. Sneaky creatures


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  • #412
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Everyone together against the jews of course. A common goal like I said.

    What precludes the jews from being considered part of the 'everyone' collective?


  • #413
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tell me how wrote: »
    What precludes the jews from being considered part of the 'everyone' collective?

    Everyone else. There has to be a fall guy. I wasn't involved so don't even consider turning your irrelevant outrage mode on.

    Ignore the rest. Set sights on something to be outraged about. I'll not play your game.
    Have a good one


  • #414
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Everyone else. There has to be a fall guy. I wasn't involved so don't even consider turning your irrelevant outrage mode on.

    Ignore the rest. Set sights on something to be outraged about. I'll not play your game.
    Have a good one

    No game here, not outraged either. Just trying to work back from the statement that Hitler united everyone.

    Are you sure you weren't involved, I mean obviously, when discussing the events of 1920's Germany, I automatically assume that a commentator on an Irish discussion board 100 years later was involved. Thank you for clarifying.


  • #415
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tell me how wrote: »
    No game here, not outraged either. Just trying to work back from the statement that Hitler united everyone.

    Are you sure you weren't involved, I mean obviously, when discussing the events of 1920's Germany, I automatically assume that a commentator on an Irish discussion board 100 years later was involved. Thank you for clarifying.

    Trump said something about something. On ya go


  • #416
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Well, apart from the Jewish community who he was targeting and blaming for difficulties Germany was experiencing from the early 1920's.
    It wasn't just the Jews. It was the gays, the disabled, the elderly and infirm, the gypsies and prisoners. Of course we've been brainwashed to believe the Holocaust was only about the Jews. Why is that?


  • #417
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It wasn't just the Jews. It was the gays, the disabled, the elderly and infirm, the gypsies and prisoners. Of course we've been brainwashed to believe the Holocaust was only about the Jews. Why is that?

    I don't know. Why do you think that's the case?


  • #418
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Speaking of bullshìt, if Dev signing a book of condolences was "shameful and a black mark on Irish history", can we take it that your moral outrage about the six years of British state collaboration - "appeasement" - with Nazi Germany prior to September 1939, when they finally decided to stop being communist-fearing/fascist-supporting wimps, is off the Richter scale?

    While I wouldn’t condemn De Valera all that much, although it was a stupid move, I don’t think that the U.K. could have gone to war all that easily in 1933 just because there was a new dictator in Germany.


  • #419
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It wasn't just the Jews. It was the gays, the disabled, the elderly and infirm, the gypsies and prisoners. Of course we've been brainwashed to believe the Holocaust was only about the Jews. Why is that?

    Partly because it is an identifiable collective.

    My reason for focusing on them here is because right from 1920 or so when Hitler starting becoming a prominent political speaker he started with two prominent views. The fault of the Jewish community for Germany's woes, and the superiority of the Aryan race.

    Not only did he expand to include those you outlined above but alos intellectuals and group which he perceived capable of coordinating a counterpoint to his rhetoric.


  • #420
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Craft beers are usually just beer with coffee or chocolate added. They nearly all taste the same.

    People who drink them seem to think they are booze specialists.

    I like Guinness I shouldn’t have to apologize to some hipster for that.


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  • #421
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    I never had to apologise to anyone for not liking most craft beers and for drinking Guinness, Heineken, Carlsberg, etc.

    I hear craft beer drinkers being slagged off far more than the opposite. Some of them will be snobs (just as there are reverse snobs) but most are just people who enjoy other types of beers.


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