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    #32
    cocker5
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    maryedmoore wrote: »
    Hi has anybody dealt with Priderock kennels on here? I bought a pup few days ago from them in Paulstown Kilkenny. Their website s very misleading. I dont know when it was last updated and basically I dont know if I can trust them. They tell me they no longer register their pups and the parents either. My boys fell in love with pup and we bought anyway, but paid way too much I feel for an unregistered dog. The They dont microchip either. Any advice please?

    But that's a legal requirement?
    did you know this before you left with the pup?

    They told you they no longer register etc and you still purchased the pup?
    Did you ask to see hip scoring, genetic testing? very important given the breed and issues they are prone too (hip dysplasia etc)


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    #33
    tk123
    Registered Users Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    maryedmoore wrote: »
    Hi has anybody dealt with Priderock kennels on here? I bought a pup few days ago from them in Paulstown Kilkenny. Their website s very misleading. I dont know when it was last updated and basically I dont know if I can trust them. They tell me they no longer register their pups and the parents either. My boys fell in love with pup and we bought anyway, but paid way too much I feel for an unregistered dog. The They dont microchip either. Any advice please?

    He should have been chipped before being sold.. but look what's done is done - would you give the pup back? I'm going to assume not as the kids love him!! Get insurance and get him into a good puppy training/socialisation class. My experience of badly bred retrievers is that they either have behavioural or joint issues... or both(!) so cover your bases!


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    #34
    Cherry Blossom
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    maryedmoore wrote: »
    Any advice please?

    Ill be honest here, there is not much point asking for advice after you have bought the pup. Generally the advice is if you feel something is not right then walk away. All too often people start googling after the fact. Its probably too late then. What are you looking for advice on? Who to report them to for selling unchipped puppies? Advice on how to go about returning the pup? Advice on how to minimise risks with regard to temperament or health? Something else?


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    #35
    maryedmoore
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭maryedmoore


    Cherry Blossom wrote: »
    Ill be honest here, there is not much point asking for advice after you have bought the pup. Generally the advice is if you feel something is not right then walk away. All too often people start googling after the fact. Its probably too late then. What are you looking for advice on? Who to report them to for selling unchipped puppies? Advice on how to go about returning the pup? Advice on how to minimise risks with regard to temperament or health? Something else?

    Suppose looking for somebody Who has dealt with them. They claim on website to be breeding straight backs over 20 years and that they have a waiting list for pups even though they dont advertise. Their reputation sells the pups. Has anybody bought from them?


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    Cherry Blossom
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    Im not sure what difference it will make to your situation if you find someone else who has bought from them. You are not looking for a recommendation as you have already bought the puppy. If someone comes along and says something negative it is likely the thread will disappear as that would open us up to legal action.

    Focus on the pup you have now and giving him/her the best life you can.


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    DBB
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    maryedmoore wrote: »
    Suppose looking for somebody Who has dealt with them. They claim on website to be breeding straight backs over 20 years and that they have a waiting list for pups even though they dont advertise. Their reputation sells the pups. Has anybody bought from them?

    What difference does it make? You have the pup now and have not indicated you're going to do anything about your experience. With all due respect, you did a number of the things that people are strongly recommended not to do when buying a pup... information that's abundantly available on the internet, even in this forum. When you're buying a pup, it is caveat emptor, which places an extra onus on the buyer to make bloody sure they're doing everything they can do to make sure the pup is coming from a legit source.
    A legit source is one that doesn't flout State laws... it is illegal to sell or pass on a puppy or dog that is not microchipped.
    Did you go to the kennel to pick your pup up? I wonder were you happy with what you saw?
    I've never been inclined to believe that a place has a "reputation" if it is a self-declared reputation.


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    #38
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Congrats OP i adore german shepards. They are really big cuddly teddies. And they are great with kids.

    I grew up around them but I don't know any breeders though sorry.


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    Son
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Son


    Interested in a gs myself but looking for a dog past the puppy stage. Its pretty hard to find a young adult dog (good/healthy etc). Enquired about some rescues but rescue centres seem hard to deal with, saying experience of breed needed, can't be left home for more than 4hrs, has to live inside etc etc so I've kinda givin up on that route which is a shame cause I've seen a few rescues that I know I could give a good home but hey ho
    I'll probably end up going to UK as donedeal full of all sorts.


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    Cherry Blossom
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    Rescues are not trying to be awkward, they are just trying to find the best home possible for their dogs so they dont end up coming back to them. Realistically 5 star dogs go to 5 star homes. If you cannot offer a good home you need to consider that you cannot be picky. You say you want to avoid donedeal because of allsorts, rescues and breeders of quality dogs also want to avoid their dogs goings to allsorts. I appreciate this is not what you want to hear, but thats how it is.


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    #41
    cocker5
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Son wrote: »
    Interested in a gs myself but looking for a dog past the puppy stage. Its pretty hard to find a young adult dog (good/healthy etc). Enquired about some rescues but rescue centres seem hard to deal with, saying experience of breed needed, can't be left home for more than 4hrs, has to live inside etc etc.
    I'll probably end up going to UK as donedeal full of all sorts.

    There are number of GS in rescue centre all over the country - you have to understand rescue centres are not being difficult to deal with they have the dogs best interest at heart.

    Saying experience with the breed - surely this makes sense GS can be strong powerful dogs and having knowledge or owning one previously helps the adopter with any "expectations" they may have etc..

    same for the 4 hours a day / sleep indoors comment - lots of dogs in rescues centres may have been dumped outside 24/7 or have separation issues ..

    at the end of the day the rescue centres only want the best for the dog and the adopting outcome process.... hence they have requirements


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    Son
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Son


    cocker5 wrote: »
    There are number of GS in rescue centre all over the country - you have to understand rescue centres are not being difficult to deal with they have the dogs best interest at heart.

    Saying experience with the breed - surely this makes sense GS can be strong powerful dogs and having knowledge or owning one previously helps the adopter with any "expectations" they may have etc..

    same for the 4 hours a day / sleep indoors comment - lots of dogs in rescues centres may have been dumped outside 24/7 or have separation issues ..

    at the end of the day the rescue centres only want the best for the dog and the adopting outcome process.... hence they have requirements

    I understand, thats fine, if I buy from a classified site well id still be rescuing, just in a different way :)


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    cocker5
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Son wrote: »
    I understand, thats fine, if I buy from a classified site well id still be rescuing, just in a different way :)

    100% incorrect.. you'll be paying a "breeder" or greeder as they are usually referred to... they usually couldn't care less where the dog ends up and long as you cough up the dough....your not rescuing anything

    no decent or ethical breeder sells via these sites... they don't need to they have waiting lists for their pups... In fact you will be directly fuelling the back yard breeder and puppy farm industry here in Ireland


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    Son
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Son


    cocker5 wrote: »
    100% incorrect.. you'll be paying a "breeder" or greeder as they are usually referred to... they usually couldn't care less where the dog ends up and long as you cough up the dough....your not rescuing anything

    no decent or ethical breeder sells via these sites... they don't need to they have waiting lists for their pups... In fact you will be directly fuelling the back yard breeder and puppy farm industry here in Ireland

    Not looking to buy a pup. I've contacted a few breeders but they only have pups or very expensive 'trained dogs' and I think your wrong theres many good older dogs out there that people sell because their circumstances change in life or they develop health issues themselves and can't look after the dog well enough, so I would see that as rescuing of a different kind


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    #45
    cocker5
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    Son wrote: »
    Not looking to buy a pup. I've contacted a few breeders but they only have pups or very expensive 'trained dogs' and I think your wrong theres many good older dogs out there that people sell because their circumstances change in life or they develop heal

    Well if your not looking to buy a pup why not go via the rescue route?

    Many rescue centres review a dog temperament and some have a history etc... so they can match the right dog with the right owner

    "buying" from adverts, donedeal you have no idea what the dog has been through, behaviour etc... and no the "owners" aren't going to tell you the truth, and many times dogs will have appeared numerous times on these sites been passed around ...

    going via a reputable rescue centre you will have support, advice and god forbid something happens you have to give the dog back to the rescue .. not just dump it back on adverts ... again.

    no decent dog owners would "sell" their beloved pet via social media or donedeal .. regardless of the situation.. its the age old Irish mentality "easy come easy go" when it comes to pet ownership... you are niave to think otherwise OP.. for every 1 sincere person on these sites there are 100's of g*****es not fit to own a dog


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    Mrs cockett
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    [QUOTE=maryedmoore;11129174 My boys fell in love with pup and we bought anyway, but paid way too much I feel for an unregistered dog. The They dont microchip either.

    Enjoy him,
    Give him lots of toys, kongs are great for chewing on. Get him out as much as possible while young so as he gets used to children and other animals. Discourage nipping.
    You will have a wonderful pet and guard dog.


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    maryedmoore
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭maryedmoore


    I have been stung. My puppy got ill after a week and nearly died with worm infestation. “Breeder” doesn’t want to know. Vet bill of €1,00.00. Got ill before we got chance to take out insurance. Thankfully on the mend now. “breeder” shut down website. When I contacted him for reimbursement of vet bill he replied and he will not comment further and has sought legal, vetenary and ISPCA advice on the matter.


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    Cherry Blossom
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    maryedmoore, please be aware that if you intend to persue a legal case, posting about it on an online forum could damage your chances of a good result for yourself.


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    maryedmoore
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭maryedmoore


    Cherry Blossom wrote: »
    maryedmoore, please be aware that if you intend to persue a legal case, posting about it on an online forum could damage your chances of a good result for yourself.

    Ok, thanks


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    murfler
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    Hi I realise this is an old post. I'm just wondering did anyone ever get a pup from deltaorion kennel in Dublin? Strongly thinking of buying a bitch from there and would love any feedback. They are pricey but seem to have well bred dogs. Any information would be greatly appreciated, good or bad. Thank you


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    VonVix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭VonVix


    murfler wrote: »
    Any information would be greatly appreciated, good or bad. Thank you

    Had a look at their page and all I see is puppies, puppies, puppies. No mention of parents other than their name, no mention of health tests, no mention of temperament, no mention of them competing in any form. DM clear? Hip/elbow scores? Etc? No mention of lineage beyond the parents.

    Looks like just another backyard breeder trying to capitalize on covid19.

    [Dog Training + Behaviour Nerd]



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    tk123
    Registered Users Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    VonVix wrote: »
    Had a look at their page and all I see is puppies, puppies, puppies. No mention of parents other than their name, no mention of health tests, no mention of temperament, no mention of them competing in any form. DM clear? Hip/elbow scores? Etc? No mention of lineage beyond the parents.

    Looks like just another backyard breeder trying to capitalize on covid19.

    I’d agree - I think I’ve counted 3 litters since April. Also their FB is in the Shopping and retail section which would put me off!


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    murfler
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    Thanks guys for feedback, I FB messaged them and they said pups fully registered IKC/Fido, vaccinated and chipped. If you scroll through there Facebook page you can see their dogs winning prizes at shows etc. The lady also sent me pictures of parents hib/elbow scores.


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    Cherry Blossom
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    Yeah I’ve gone back to January and counted 4 litters. There are photos of four adult dogs around May. Horribly deformed frog-dogs. Winning in shows is not what I’d be looking for in a GSD I’m afraid. They are certainly churning out pups.


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    Springwell
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    murfler wrote: »
    Thanks guys for feedback, I FB messaged them and they said pups fully registered IKC/Fido, vaccinated and chipped. If you scroll through there Facebook page you can see their dogs winning prizes at shows etc. The lady also sent me pictures of parents hib/elbow scores.

    Winning prizes.....depends on how many there are in the class. The first Show I saw their results from, I checked the results. 1st of 1 entry. 2nd of 2 entries....

    Certainly you can only show against what is entered but be aware that there is only a handful of long coat GSDs showing in the country. That being said the judge can withhold awards if the exhibit is very poor.

    The facebook page puts me off though, four litters this year is not what you'd expect from well thought out breeding plans to improve the breed and retain a new dog for their lines.....


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    DBB
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    Just be aware too that IKC registration is not a guarantee of quality, nor does it pretend to be. It is simply a paper record that shows the parentage and lineage of the dog concerned.
    Many puppy farmed pups are IKC registered. The IKC does not vet people who want to register pups.


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    murfler
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    OK thanks for that, yes winning a one horse race not so impressive. Could anyone point me to a good breeder? I have a well bred 8 year old gsd bitch and would love to get a pup to learn from her I am located in Kilkenny but don't mind travelling. Looking for a family dog as I have a 3 and 7 year old kid. I would love a long haired bitch


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    murfler
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    murfler wrote: »
    OK thanks for that, yes winning a one horse race not so impressive. Could anyone point me to a good breeder? I have a well bred 8 year old gsd bitch and would love to get a pup to learn from her I am located in Kilkenny but don't mind travelling. Looking for a family dog as I have a 3 and 7 year old kid. I would love a long haired bitch
    Dad and granddad


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    murfler
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    murfler wrote: »
    Dad and granddad

    Dad and Grandad


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    Cherry Blossom
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    murfler wrote: »
    OK thanks for that, yes winning a one horse race not so impressive. Could anyone point me to a good breeder? I have a well bred 8 year old gsd bitch and would love to get a pup to learn from her I am located in Kilkenny but don't mind travelling. Looking for a family dog as I have a 3 and 7 year old kid. I would love a long haired bitch

    We are not advocating people buying pets at the moment due to Covid restrictions as per the sticky at the top of the forum so we can’t allow posts asking where to source pets at the moment. I will say that very few reputable breeders are breeding at the minute. Currently you are not supposed to leave your home county.
    murfler wrote: »
    Dad and granddad

    Can you seriously not see the state of the back legs on those dogs? It’s horrific.


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    murfler wrote: »
    Dad and Grandad

    Aw no, those poor dogs. That's hard to look at. I recommend asking about reputable breeders again after all this covid business has passed. You won't find one now and you certainly haven't found one there.


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