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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lauren52 wrote: »
    That's great might benefit the person looking for the house that's up for Auction. Thankfully we got our approval with RI after what seems like the longest time compared to anyone on here and that's saying something as for most it's a long, stressful process


    Most important part of buying a house at auction is getting a solicitor onto the documents sharpish. Houses are generally at auction for a reason. Oftentimes those reasons can be reasons a bank won't allow a mortgage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I'm finding some of the AIP stories on here hard to grasp. Is approval in principle not based solely on the numbers you give them verbally? In other words, "you sound like we'd give you money, so we'll give you AIP, but when you actually want the money, we'll look at you properly then".


    I mean, I am not in an amazing financial situation in terms of getting a mortgage approved, but Bank of Ireland gave me AIP after 5 minutes on the phone. It was immediately emailed to me as I fit their general criteria. They had no interest in giving me a thorough looking over until I actually applied for the money.

    AIP is normally based on what you tell them at first glance, yep, but where a bank will give you AIP in less than an hour, Rebuilding Ireland takes as long as the council takes - they will not issue AIP until it goes to Credit Committee and Underwriters and back which takes 3 months to a year. It's not really designed to work imho.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭BKWDR


    A main stream bank will give you AIP in 4 minutes. But then its based upon you providing all of the details and bank account statements and relevant tax details that they look at. They get it underwritten faster but its becuase they are a private entity. The RIHL is front loaded and thats what takes the time, they get and check all the information up front before issuing AIP.

    Would be hesitant to look at auction / fire sale properties with this. Just be aware, you get a good deal on an auction property there could be something waiting in the long grass. Outstanding charges / fees / structural damage and they will probably want a unrefundable deposit too.
    If you hand it over, then you dont get your loan from RIHL becuase they cant give you a guarantee of good marketable title on the property or it comes out in the wash that there are 5 grand outstanding management fees or whatever , then you are in to a world of misery

    Just something to consider and something i would be really considering with a solicitor and not an estate agent


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Paddypie


    Mbourke91 wrote: »
    Does anyone know how long Meath county council are taking to Come back at the moment? :)

    I sent in my 2nd application to Meath on 1st Feb and haven't heard back yet. I suspect I'll hear in the next two weeks. I had a positive response from my 1st application this time last year in about 5 weeks. The two lads in Meath are on the ball. They are qualified and experienced in mortgages. They dont really sit on applications for too long. Sometimes the housing agency can request additional information which can delay an application. Any questions and Meath C.C let me know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 Mbourke91


    Paddypie wrote: »
    I sent in my 2nd application to Meath on 1st Feb and haven't heard back yet. I suspect I'll hear in the next two weeks. I had a positive response from my 1st application this time last year in about 5 weeks. The two lads in Meath are on the ball. They are qualified and experienced in mortgages. They dont really sit on applications for too long. Sometimes the housing agency can request additional information which can delay an application. Any questions and Meath C.C let me know.

    That’s great thanks a million :) I sent in my application yesterday so hoping we will hear within the next couple of months.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭williaint


    Just a word of warning when filling in application re. the amount you wish to borrow and over what term (25 / 30 years).

    At the time of applying I just put down the maximum amount based on my salary using the online calculator - I *wrongly* presumed when you receive Approval In Principle you will get the option of 25 OR 30 year term, just like any bank would give you.

    I got AIP over 30 years but the repayments are a little high for a single applicant (€200 per month higher than what the online calculator says), so I would now prefer the 25 year term at the lower interest rate.

    I just rang up the Coco there and was told that in order to find out the maximum amount I could borrow over 25 year term I would have to REAPPLY FROM SCRATCH. This is despite none of my details changing.

    But surely if you decide to buy a property that costs less, you may want to borrow less when you draw down...

    So when choosing your amount and term be positive that is the exact amount you want (hard without a crystal ball I know), otherwise you will have to reapply from scratch again!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jafin


    williaint wrote: »
    Just a word of warning when filling in application re. the amount you wish to borrow and over what term (25 / 30 years).

    At the time of applying I just put down the maximum amount based on my salary using the online calculator - I *wrongly* presumed when you receive Approval In Principle you will get the option of 25 OR 30 year term, just like any bank would give you.

    I got AIP over 30 years but the repayments are a little high for a single applicant (€200 per month higher than what the online calculator says), so I would now prefer the 25 year term at the lower interest rate.

    I just rang up the Coco there and was told that in order to find out the maximum amount I could borrow over 25 year term I would have to REAPPLY FROM SCRATCH. This is despite none of my details changing.

    But surely if you decide to buy a property that costs less, you may want to borrow less when you draw down...

    So when choosing your amount and term be positive that is the exact amount you want (hard without a crystal ball I know), otherwise you will have to reapply from scratch again!!!

    Don't you have to select the term when you're applying? It's over a year since I left in my application but I'm certain I had to select the 25 or 30 year term when I was filling in the application.

    Also the online calculator doesn't include the MPI, which would be included in the repayment figures you were given when you got AIP. Even though the interest is lower for the 25 year repayments you'll probably be paying more anyway since it's a shorter term. I just went on to the calculator there quick and did the calculation for 25 and 30 years, and on the 25 year term it offered less money, but costing more per month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    williaint wrote: »
    Just a word of warning when filling in application re. the amount you wish to borrow and over what term (25 / 30 years).

    At the time of applying I just put down the maximum amount based on my salary using the online calculator - I *wrongly* presumed when you receive Approval In Principle you will get the option of 25 OR 30 year term, just like any bank would give you.

    I got AIP over 30 years but the repayments are a little high for a single applicant (€200 per month higher than what the online calculator says), so I would now prefer the 25 year term at the lower interest rate.

    I just rang up the Coco there and was told that in order to find out the maximum amount I could borrow over 25 year term I would have to REAPPLY FROM SCRATCH. This is despite none of my details changing.

    But surely if you decide to buy a property that costs less, you may want to borrow less when you draw down...

    So when choosing your amount and term be positive that is the exact amount you want (hard without a crystal ball I know), otherwise you will have to reapply from scratch again!!!

    Cheers for the info. But reapply. Pain in the hoop. You will deffo get approved and save 000’s


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭williaint


    Yea I selected the 30 year term but I thought both terms would be offered to me when I got AIP - my mistake but this has been the case with any bank I approached. I will reapply again, for a 25 year term. I would obviously prefer to borrow less at the lower interest rate if I could get away with it...Very hard to know what to do!


    Jafin wrote: »
    Don't you have to select the term when you're applying? It's over a year since I left in my application but I'm certain I had to select the 25 or 30 year term when I was filling in the application.

    Also the online calculator doesn't include the MPI, which would be included in the repayment figures you were given when you got AIP. Even though the interest is lower for the 25 year repayments you'll probably be paying more anyway since it's a shorter term. I just went on to the calculator there quick and did the calculation for 25 and 30 years, and on the 25 year term it offered less money, but costing more per month.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Applied to a few different councils and most are OK to deal with, although have varying levels of how fussy/particular they are. However all generally accept the initial application and then email you for additional requests.

    All apart from one who returned the whole application via post with a note saying they wanted a few other documents. They also stated that they want all statements/documents updated due to the delay that they caused by returning the entire application via post about 4 weeks after initial application with no communication/warning.

    It's crazy really, the application is so big that it costs a fortune to send and I get the impression that they just want to make it as difficult as possible for people to access the loan. They want us to just give up as processing it is a bit of extra work for them that they can't be bothered with. That is what my gut is telling me, I could be completely wrong.

    Now I am torn between just getting the head down or doing as they say or going after them and just highlighting how unhelpful their behaviour as to housing minister, local TDs etc.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    donfers wrote: »
    Applied to a few different councils and most are OK to deal with, although have varying levels of how fussy/particular they are. However all generally accept the initial application and then email you for additional requests.

    All apart from one who returned the whole application via post with a note saying they wanted a few other documents. They also stated that they want all statements/documents updated due to the delay that they caused by returning the entire application via post about 4 weeks after initial application with no communication/warning.

    It's crazy really, the application is so big that it costs a fortune to send and I get the impression that they just want to make it as difficult as possible for people to access the loan. They want us to just give up as processing it is a bit of extra work for them that they can't be bothered with. That is what my gut is telling me, I could be completely wrong.

    Now I am torn between just getting the head down or doing as they say or going after them and just highlighting how unhelpful their behaviour as to housing minister, local TDs etc.

    Imho we can do both. Work on your fresh application, but also make an effort to make this stupid process somebody else's problem too if you can, somebody elected. Posting a grumpy letter is best, but you can bash together an email quickly enough when you've got the rage in your sails.


  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭BaguMka


    Yes this is long process compared to banks. I applied last year in September with Kildare County Council. I was well prepared thanks to this thread. And had to submit just a few documents. In December got approval in principle and in January loan offer. Found property and signed contracts.

    The only problem so far was to get contracts signed on time as the vendors want you to sign contracts withing 21days however KildareCoCo solicitors not very quick so there is always delay for signing contracts on time.

    I still have a long journey ahead but trying to be positive:) wishing everyone best of luck and never give up


  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jafin


    Spoke to my local CC yesterday and my loan offer has officially expired. Now have to start from scratch, the joy! Not my CC's fault of course, they're bound by the rules set in place by whoever is at the top, but it's still annoying that I've gone from being ready to make offers on properties to back to having to reapply all over again.

    Does anyone know if there's a way to get approval in principle online from AIB a second time? I got one of my AIP letters last year by applying with AIB online, and that AIP ran out last month as 12 months had passed. When I log in to the My Mortgage section of their website it only shows the mortgage I applied for last year with no option to reapply. I'd really like to get everything in order as quickly as possible and with as little human interaction as possible also. Does any other bank offer AIP by applying online? I had a quick look at Bank of Ireland last night and you can apply online but I don't know if you actually get the AIP online too. It was late when I looked so I didn't do a deep dive into it. Probably will at the weekend. Getting the two offers of insufficient funds is the part I hate the most about this process.


  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭BaguMka


    Jafin wrote: »
    Spoke to my local CC yesterday and my loan offer has officially expired. Now have to start from scratch, the joy! Not my CC's fault of course, they're bound by the rules set in place by whoever is at the top, but it's still annoying that I've gone from being ready to make offers on properties to back to having to reapply all over again.

    Does anyone know if there's a way to get approval in principle online from AIB a second time? I got one of my AIP letters last year by applying with AIB online, and that AIP ran out last month as 12 months had passed. When I log in to the My Mortgage section of their website it only shows the mortgage I applied for last year with no option to reapply. I'd really like to get everything in order as quickly as possible and with as little human interaction as possible also. Does any other bank offer AIP by applying online? I had a quick look at Bank of Ireland last night and you can apply online but I don't know if you actually get the AIP online too. It was late when I looked so I didn't do a deep dive into it. Probably will at the weekend. Getting the two offers of insufficient funds is the part I hate the most about this process.

    Go to permanent TSB they give a letter with funds you can borrow based on information you provide. It took me 10 minutes to obtain that letter


  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jafin


    BaguMka wrote: »
    Go to permanent TSB they give a letter with funds you can borrow based on information you provide. It took me 10 minutes to obtain that letter

    Yeah I got one of my letters from them last year, so was planning on doing that again. Just trying to find the best option for the second bank.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 LaurenMcHugh


    Does any one know what end of the month the credit committee usually sit in Wicklow Coco thanks 😊


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    Finally have my pack ready to go.

    Anyone who applied with Fingal in Covid times did you post or hand in the application


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Finally have my pack ready to go.

    Anyone who applied with Fingal in Covid times did you post or hand in the application

    I posted by reg post, I think the address I used was -

    Loan Accounts Section

    Housing Department

    Fingal County Council, Grove Road,

    Blanchardstown,

    Dublin 15


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 LaurenMcHugh


    Does any one know what end of the month the credit committee usually sit in Wicklow Coco thanks 😊

    Just got in touch with them, they’re meeting next Wednesday for anyone who wants to know


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 doug44


    Hi there, I've found this thread really helpful throughout my RI process, and I'm wondering if someone could help me with a query.

    I'm at the final hurdle - everything is ready to go, I'm just waiting on the loan cheque to be issue by Cork County Council. It was requested over a month ago, and my solicitor was told it would be sorted in a couple of days.

    There's still no sign of the cheque, my emails to the council are going unanswered, and my solicitor has simply been told that there is a massive delay in issuing loan cheques right now. It is beyond frustrating, and the lack of communication from the Council worker handling my case has only made things worse.

    Now, my loan offer expires on April 6th. My question is: if I haven't drawn down by this date, even though all contracts have been signed and the cheque has been requested (I'm also insured on the house), could this fall through? Would I have to re-apply for the mortgage?

    Thanks in advance for any help. Like I said, I'm getting radio silence from the council, and my solicitor is not faring any better.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jafin


    doug44 wrote: »
    Hi there, I've found this thread really helpful throughout my RI process, and I'm wondering if someone could help me with a query.

    I'm at the final hurdle - everything is ready to go, I'm just waiting on the loan cheque to be issue by Cork County Council. It was requested over a month ago, and my solicitor was told it would be sorted in a couple of days.

    There's still no sign of the cheque, my emails to the council are going unanswered, and my solicitor has simply been told that there is a massive delay in issuing loan cheques right now. It is beyond frustrating, and the lack of communication from the Council worker handling my case has only made things worse.

    Now, my loan offer expires on April 6th. My question is: if I haven't drawn down by this date, even though all contracts have been signed and the cheque has been requested (I'm also insured on the house), could this fall through? Would I have to re-apply for the mortgage?

    Thanks in advance for any help. Like I said, I'm getting radio silence from the council, and my solicitor is not faring any better.

    When you say the offer expires on April 6th do you mean that that's 6 months from the time you were actually offered the loan? From what I understand once you're gone sale agreed that timer more or less just stops. Once the wheels are actually in motion, regarding being sale agreed and all that, then you're fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 doug44


    Yes, it's 6 months since my initial offer. That is really helpful, thank you. Like I said, I queried it with the person working on my application, but I never heard back. Thanks again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭ABCD_1234


    Surveyors are an essential service although I read on this thread or somewhere similar that RIHL are not sending out surveyors during level 5 lockdown, has anyone had any experience with this?

    Thank you


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    I posted by reg post, I think the address I used was -

    Loan Accounts Section

    Housing Department

    Fingal County Council, Grove Road,

    Blanchardstown,

    Dublin 15

    All sent off now. A waiting game now.

    Thanks for all your help with it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭extrafluff


    ABCD_1234 wrote: »
    Surveyors are an essential service although I read on this thread or somewhere similar that RIHL are not sending out surveyors during level 5 lockdown, has anyone had any experience with this?

    Thank you

    That's my take on it, that surveyors are essential. We've been told by the estate agent that the councils valuer has been in touch about getting access to the house we're sale agreed on. SDCC.
    We don't know whether it has taken place though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭ABCD_1234


    extrafluff wrote: »
    That's my take on it, that surveyors are essential. We've been told by the estate agent that the councils valuer has been in touch about getting access to the house we're sale agreed on. SDCC.
    We don't know whether it has taken place though.

    I’m SDCC too so that’s great, thanks for letting me know. Much appreciated!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    All sent off now. A waiting game now.

    Thanks for all your help with it.

    No problem. The very best of luck.

    I think the scheme is needlessly, and probably deliberately, messy and protracted, and if I can help anybody else navigate it to get one of the few supports they're entitled to WRT to housing, I'd be delighted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31 pearsebhoy


    Hi guys, in everyone’s experience how strict are the councils on making sure that a certain % of your deposit has been saved within the past 12 months?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    pearsebhoy wrote: »
    Hi guys, in everyone’s experience how strict are the councils on making sure that a certain % of your deposit has been saved within the past 12 months?

    I haven't seen that requirement. Only that you yourself came up with the money, it isn't a gift etc?

    If you've been saving a steady enough pile of money every month that it doesn't look glaringly weird you'd have whatever you had as of 12 months ago saved, I don't think they'll enquire further.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31 pearsebhoy


    I haven't seen that requirement. Only that you yourself came up with the money, it isn't a gift etc?

    If you've been saving a steady enough pile of money every month that it doesn't look glaringly weird you'd have whatever you had as of 12 months ago saved, I don't think they'll enquire further.

    Thanks. My partner is convinced you need to have x% saved in the past 12 months, so we’ve opened another savings account a few months ago. Our actual deposit we’ve had saved for a few years so it won’t show on our 12 months bank statements


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