Age of consent for social media accounts?

mzungu · 18-04-2018 11:56pm

Fathom wrote: »

Zuckerburg did not suspend my disbelief.

An old speechwriter of his said that “companies over countries” was Zuckerberg's motto once upon a time.

Link: https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/4/11/17221344/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-cambridge-analytica

Fathom · 19-04-2018 7:04pm

mzungu wrote: »

An old speechwriter of his said that “companies over countries” was Zuckerberg's motto once upon a time.

Corporate globalization.

mzungu · 19-04-2018 11:03pm

Fathom wrote: »

Corporate globalization.

Aye, until the next scandal about harvesting data comes around, I feel they have done enough to get through it this time. But questions remain and won't be going away any time soon.

Fathom · 21-04-2018 7:20pm

mzungu wrote: »

Aye, until the next scandal about harvesting data comes around, I feel they have done enough to get through it this time. But questions remain and won't be going away any time soon.

Predicts sweeping under carpet.

mzungu · 22-04-2018 2:31pm

Fathom wrote: »

Predicts sweeping under carpet.

Aye, however the past few weeks will have given them food for thought. They might have sailed on this time, but things do eventually reach a breaking point. Social media can easily move away from Facebook, same as Bebo and MySpace are now ghost towns. Interesting times ahead.

Fathom · 23-04-2018 6:39pm

mzungu wrote: »

Aye, however the past few weeks will have given them food for thought. They might have sailed on this time, but things do eventually reach a breaking point. Social media can easily move away from Facebook, same as Bebo and MySpace are now ghost towns. Interesting times ahead.

Social media transforming? Extinct eventually? Replaced? Or evolved? Herbert Spencer "survival of fittest?"

mzungu · 24-04-2018 11:15pm

Fathom wrote: »

Social media transforming? [/quote[
Definitely.

Fathom wrote: »

Extinct eventually? Replaced?

I doubt in my lifetime anyway!

Fathom wrote: »

Or evolved? Herbert Spencer "survival of fittest?"

This. It will evolve and with AI technology and VR it will offer new kinds of spaces. Changes coming in might be slow, but that is no harm either.

Fathom · 26-04-2018 7:57pm

mzungu wrote: »

This. It will evolve and with AI technology and VR it will offer new kinds of spaces. Changes coming in might be slow, but that is no harm either.

Occasional quantum leaps?

mzungu · 27-04-2018 5:15pm

Fathom wrote: »

Occasional quantum leaps?

It will be a slow burner I would say. Much more profitable.

Fathom · 27-04-2018 11:18pm

Reflecting. Social media accounts. Age of consent practical? Too many ways to circumvent? CYA for social media providers?

mzungu · 28-04-2018 3:08pm

Fathom wrote: »

Reflecting. Social media accounts. Age of consent practical? Too many ways to circumvent? CYA for social media providers?

To hand over data to social media companies there probably should be some kind of age limitation, however it is still unworkable. Short of doing something like credit card charging for social media accounts, there is little that can be done.

Fathom · 30-04-2018 2:23am

mzungu wrote: »

To hand over data to social media companies there probably should be some kind of age limitation, however it is still unworkable. Short of doing something like credit card charging for social media accounts, there is little that can be done.

Children pay the piper? Data for free access too? Hope piper doesn't lead them astray.

mzungu · 30-04-2018 11:12pm

Fathom wrote: »

Children pay the piper? Data for free access too? Hope piper doesn't lead them astray.

As we don't pay for the service (social media), then it follows that we will be the product!

Fathom · 02-05-2018 4:33am

No pay. No play. Products we are. No matter age of consent.

mzungu · 03-05-2018 4:54pm

Fathom wrote: »

No pay. No play. Products we are. No matter age of consent.

The proposed change of age of consent to 16 has been defeated and will stay at 13 years.

Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/common-sense-has-prevailed-on-digital-age-of-consent-1.3482066

AlanG · 03-05-2018 5:59pm

Anyone who thinks the likes of facebook don't know very quickly the real age of all its users needs to read up on data analytics. It is easy for some of the richest companies in the world to enforce age limits but it will cost them.

Fathom · 03-05-2018 7:44pm

AlanG wrote: »

Anyone who thinks the likes of facebook don't know very quickly the real age of all its users needs to read up on data analytics.

Big Data analytics? Black box? Customer ID tracking algorithm to tailor ads to them?

Black Swan · 15-05-2018 3:27pm

AlanG said:
Anyone who thinks the likes of facebook don't know very quickly the real age of all its users needs to read up on data analytics.

Indeed.

Fathom · 15-05-2018 5:43pm

mzungu wrote: »

The proposed change of age of consent to 16 has been defeated and will stay at 13 years. Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/common-sense-has-prevailed-on-digital-age-of-consent-1.3482066

Magic number?

mzungu · 15-05-2018 8:56pm

Fathom wrote: »

Magic number?

Not quite. Schools, academics, child psychologists, advocacy groups want 16 whereas companies and vested interests want the age to be 13.

Hopefully they go with 16 but it appears to be in the balance.

political analyst · 16-05-2018 9:14pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/digital-age-of-consent-3-4017307-May2018/

Basically, companies won’t be able to store and process the data of people under the age of 16.

This relates mainly to targeting and advertising to children. Big tech companies like Facebook, Google and Twitter will now be able to collect the personal data of children under this age.

Practically, it means that children won’t have full access to a large number of websites, as they won’t be able to legally consent to their terms and conditions.

(Of course, there’s nothing stopping people lying about their age to set up a social media account, which is one of the reasons groups supported a lower age)

Why don't social media organisations vet young people who want to set-up accounts on them to try to determine whether or not they're under-age?

Fathom · 18-05-2018 1:28am

political analyst wrote: »

Why don't social media organisations vet young people who want to set-up accounts on them to try to determine whether or not they're under-age?

Determine age of consent? Or age of reason?

mzungu · 18-05-2018 5:20pm

mzungu wrote: »

Not quite. Schools, academics, child psychologists, advocacy groups want 16 whereas companies and vested interests want the age to be 13.

Hopefully they go with 16 but it appears to be in the balance.

Update: they have gone with 16 after opposition TDs instead voted in favour of a Labour and Fianna Fáil amendment to set the digital age of consent at 16.

Black Swan · 19-05-2018 3:24pm

If parents or guardians are allowed to provide approval for their children to have under age 16 access to social media, to what extent to these approving parties have to surrender their rights to privacy?

mzungu · 19-05-2018 9:56pm

Black Swan wrote: »

If parents or guardians are allowed to provide approval for their children to have under age 16 access to social media, to what extent to these approving parties have to surrender their rights to privacy?

If they have signed up to it already they already have (to an extent) whether they know it or not.

Black Swan · 22-05-2018 3:07pm

Does a 16 age of consent to access social media suggest "one shoe size fits all?"

Fathom · 22-05-2018 4:31pm

mzungu wrote: »

Not quite. Schools, academics, child psychologists, advocacy groups want 16

Subjective qualitative data. Not quantitative measurements of children by age?

Black Swan wrote: »

Does a 16 age of consent to access social media suggest "one shoe size fits all?"

Individual differences not explained by a fixed age 16.

mzungu · 24-05-2018 3:06pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Does a 16 age of consent to access social media suggest "one shoe size fits all?"

It does, but then again, I don't think there can be another way. Most age limits are a "one size fits all" solution. Eg, some 18 year olds may be mature enough to drink alcohol whereas some 25 year olds are not!

mzungu · 24-05-2018 3:07pm

Fathom wrote: »

Subjective qualitative data. Not quantitative measurements of children by age?

Individual differences not explained by a fixed age 16.

Can it go any other way, though? Has anywhere else tried the above, and if so did it work?

Fathom · 26-05-2018 11:25pm

mzungu wrote: »

Can it go any other way, though? Has anywhere else tried the above, and if so did it work?

Individual differences threshold? Not likely. Too expensive. Labor intensive.

Age of consent for social media accounts?

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