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Internal job while on maternity leave

  • 17-07-2012 4:52pm
    #1
    splashthecash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭


    I have a friend who has been employed in the same company for the past 6\7 years and who is currently on maternity leave. She recently heard that the the job of her direct line manager became vacant and that a fellow employee got the job.

    Should she have been informed by HR that the position on her team became available? I mean how would she have known about this position otherwise? Is it just her bad luck or should her not being in the office been taken into account and some heads-up been given?


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  • #2
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,707 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    so she's defo riding then

    good to know


  • #3
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    thats what you get for breeding...


  • #4
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Did she get an e-mail to her work account from HR? If so they informed her. Just because she's on maternity leave doesn't mean she can't check her mail from time to time. Tough cheese I say


  • #5
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Her bad luck tbh.

    If she was that uninterested in what was going on that she didn't realise her direct manager was leaving, she was hardly going to get the job anyway, was she.

    People on maternity leave still keep in touch with office goings-on to the best of my knowledge.

    Anyway, short answer no. Her company doesn't have to tell her when someone is leaving and doesn't have to consider her for promotion. They don't even have to hold interviews, they can just promote someone.


  • #6
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    They want all the parking spaces and all the promotions?


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  • #7
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    she should have used a contraceptive device


  • #8
    Sarah**
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Sarah**


    If it was advertised internally she still would have been on the mailing list. Maternity Leave is protected leave but prior to leaving it would have been discussed if she wanted to be kept informed re vacancies or changes whilst she is out.

    Also, she would have had the right to apply. She can lodge a grievance through the internal grievance proceedure however, if the company can demonstrate that it has been communicated then she really doesn't have any foundation for a grievance. Im surprised that one of her team wasn't in touch with her when her manager announced he was leaving or the position became vacant...


  • #9
    splashthecash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭splashthecash


    7 replies and 3 decent answers....thats what I get for posting in After Hours I guess...:rolleyes:

    You can close this thread Mods


  • #10
    splashthecash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭splashthecash


    Sarah** wrote: »
    If it was advertised internally she still would have been on the mailing list. Maternity Leave is protected leave but prior to leaving it would have been discussed if she wanted to be kept informed re vacancies or changes whilst she is out.

    Also, she would have had the right to apply. She can lodge a grievance through the internal grievance proceedure however, if the company can demonstrate that it has been communicated then she really doesn't have any foundation for a grievance. Im surprised that one of her team wasn't in touch with her when her manager announced he was leaving or the position became vacant...

    There was no communication with her by the company - she heard through one of her collegues after the fact


  • #11
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    splashthecash wrote: »
    7 replies and 3 decent answers....thats what I get for posting in After Hours I guess...:rolleyes:

    You can close this thread Mods

    You're Welcome :)


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  • #12
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    It's good practice to keep in regular informal contact with people on maternity leave, availing them of opportunities to attend social functions etc but without obligating them to. It can be a tough line to get right; why did none of her colleagues let her know? Is there an underlying reason?


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If the managers thought she was worth the wait, then they would have held the position for her. Giving a standard promotion to someone while on maternity leave would just be risky business practice.


  • #14
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    It'd have to be an internal job for her to be out on maternity leave wouldn't it?


  • #15
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    splashthecash wrote: »
    I have a friend who has been employed in the same company for the past 6\7 years and who is currently on maternity leave. She recently heard that the the job of her direct line manager became vacant and that a fellow employee got the job.

    Should she have been informed by HR that the position on her team became available? I mean how would she have known about this position otherwise? Is it just her bad luck or should her not being in the office been taken into account and some heads-up been given?

    Yes she should have been informed, if on maternity leave you still have to be kept up to date with changes ect as you would be while there.


  • #16
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Is her boss the father of the child?


  • #17
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    Marcusm wrote: »
    It's good practice to keep in regular informal contact with people on maternity leave, availing them of opportunities to attend social functions etc but without obligating them to. It can be a tough line to get right; why did none of her colleagues let her know? Is there an underlying reason?

    It's up to Management to keep workers informed ...very bad practice on their part.


  • #18
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    tan11ie wrote: »
    It's up to Management to keep workers informed ...very bad practice on their part.

    Why?

    If one wants promotion, one has to also chase it, work for it - just not expect it to turn up at your door!


  • #19
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Daith


    tan11ie wrote: »
    It's up to Management to keep workers informed ...very bad practice on their part.

    In my previous job, vacancies were posted on the internet and bulletin boards. Management didn't email out every position to everyone in the company.


  • #20
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    She did not deserve that and that is not on tbh.
    Women are gonna have babies, they've been having babies long before the concept of 'jobs' and 'work' were ever created.
    Work places gonna have to deal with it, not the other way round.


  • #21
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    She did not deserve that and that is not on tbh.
    Women are gonna have babies, they've been having babies long before the concept of 'jobs' and 'work' were ever created.
    Work places gonna have to deal with it, not the other way round.
    What band wagon are you trying to jump on?

    She didn't deserve what, the promotion?


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  • #22
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    She did not deserve that and that is not on tbh.
    Women are gonna have babies, they've been having babies long before the concept of 'jobs' and 'work' were ever created.
    Work places gonna have to deal with it, not the other way round.

    She did not deserve what? If the company followed a standard policy for internal job postings (presumably internal notice board / email) then they've covered the bases.


  • #23
    Gandhi
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Gandhi


    I don't think they did anything wrong. I took a few months of paternity leave for both my kids and I would have had no problem if I had missed out on a promotion because I was physically not there.

    I appreciate that businesses have to make allowances for people having kids, which I feel they did by letting me take several months off. They don't have an obligation to put everything on hold until I get back.


  • #24
    Sarah**
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Sarah**


    To be fair, I think the OP should chat to her friend and find out the policies and procedures. There is no way for us all to comment apart from general HR Advice which is that regardless of whether she was there or on Maternity Leave the communication should have been sent to give her the equal opportunity to apply. However, perhaps she requested for no communication during the time she was off. There may have been previous stress issues here which is why the company didnt make contact. If she has an issue regarding the process then she should raise it through the internal grievance proceedure on her return or give the HR Team a call and enquire as to what happened... perhaps the person has been appointed short term pre a restructure... who knows!


  • #25
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    OP, would she have ended her maternity leave early to take up the position had she interviewed for it and gotten the role?


  • #26
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I work for a multinational. Every friday a mail goes out that has a brief summary of the jobs available. A full list is available on the internal website. If I go on holidays or sabbatical, I certainly don't expect them to send me an internal mail to my external email address. If I had to, I can log into a webmail feature to see mail.

    She's probably the same. There's probably loads of positions (inside her dept and outside in other departments along with ones that are pay grades higher and lower) Does she expect to be called/mailed every time any position comes up?

    I think she's expecting too much.


  • #27
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    Biggins wrote: »
    Why?

    If one wants promotion, one has to also chase it, work for it - just not expect it to turn up at your door!


    Yes and how the hell can you do that if you haven't been informed of the position ect...?? all I know is that by law a woman on maternity leave has to be treated the same as if she was still on the company premises.That in turn means she has to be kept up to date with any changes ect...going on within the company. All companies know all this, sure who wants to land in the Equality Tribunal due to lazy Management.

    Grant it the job position probably wasn't suited to the girl and they may have needed the position filled Asap...but still she needs to updated, who knows it could have been the job she was waiting on.


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