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23-10-2011, 22:55   #16
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Another thing to remember is that the reason that the iPhone needs so many apps is because its deliberately crap at rendering regular web content so you need an app to render pretty much the same content.

I say this as an iPhone 3GS user for almost 2 years struggling with the same dilemma as you right now, what next, iPhone or alternative?
Having never been an iPhone user, could you give an example by any chance? I'm debating between the htc Sensation & the 4s & don't know what to do!!
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Hi all,

I am currently thinking of getting a smartphone <snip>, radio/music and of course for making some phone calls now and then.

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Well the iPhone doesn't have a radio, so you should rule it out on that basis alone. (radio station apps use data, and to change station you need to close and open a new app, not exactly user friendly).
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Having never been an iPhone user, could you give an example by any chance? I'm debating between the htc Sensation & the 4s & don't know what to do!!
If you are thinking about the Sensation, look at the SGS2. There are too many screen issues cropping up with the Sensation for my liking.

The best thing to do is actually try out the phones. Personally, I don't like iTunes, so I stay away from iPhones.

Started with a N70, went from that to a HTC Hero, and upgraded recently to a SGS2. Music quality isn't superb on the SGS2, but it's acceptable, the screen is amazing, supports Flash, decent onboard memory, can expand with the microSD card, and so far, any app I want is available.

People seem to make a big deal about the iPhones quantity of apps, but a lot of them are repeated.
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Personally I've gone iPhone 3g -> HTC Desire (back to the 3G) -> iPhone4 -> SGS II (back to iPhone 4 -> iPhone 4s.

For me the iPhone 4 works better. I've not found an Android browser that is as smooth, quick and nice to use as iOS Safari (iOS has hardware acceleration, Android does not). I use iTunes to manage all my digital content, so that works for me, it is seamless and easy. Android requires me to jump through too many hoops to do what I want.

I feel like an iPhone can be the only device you need in your pocket, with Android I still needed my iPod or laptop, media on either of the droids was not as enjoyable or easy to get on the device.

Finally, I found e-mail, keyboards and batter life on the droids awful. For me, Android did not tick all the boxes my iPhone did. Make no mistake the SGS II is a beast of a phone, but the 4s shows it a clean pair of heels, it is seriously slick and blazingly fast.
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If you are thinking about the Sensation, look at the SGS2. There are too many screen issues cropping up with the Sensation for my liking.

The best thing to do is actually try out the phones. Personally, I don't like iTunes, so I stay away from iPhones.

Started with a N70, went from that to a HTC Hero, and upgraded recently to a SGS2. Music quality isn't superb on the SGS2, but it's acceptable, the screen is amazing, supports Flash, decent onboard memory, can expand with the microSD card, and so far, any app I want is available.

People seem to make a big deal about the iPhones quantity of apps, but a lot of them are repeated.
I agree with you there about apps...all you're ever going to need are a few anyway & after that they're all repeated.

I haven't researched much about the phones yet tbh cos I don't plan on getting it for another few wks but what do you mean when you say screen issues? I've noticed that the Sensation XE is out now and the XL is coming out soon so I'm actually thinking of the XL....I just really like the Sense UI on htc mobiles. Does the SGS2 have something to rival that? I have a Samsung Wave at the mo and it just doesn't match it really imo.

Music on the devices doesn't bother me too much really as I have an iPod.

One last Q for you...I've seen a lot of people give out about how they don't like having to sync with iTunes all the time with the iPhone, but surely this makes life easy as it does everything automatically for you? Am I missing something???
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Finally, I found e-mail, keyboards and batter life on the droids awful. For me, Android did not tick all the boxes my iPhone did. Make no mistake the SGS II is a beast of a phone, but the 4s shows it a clean pair of heels, it is seriously slick and blazingly fast.
You've just been sucked into the Apple ecosystem with your music still in iTunes. I hate iTunes, it's horrible, the worst POS software you could ever install on a Windows pc. And that jumping through hoops is called drag and drop, which on Android doesn't limit you to your own collection.

I'd agree the default Samsung Touchwiz email and keyboard is shíte, but there's no way you've tried every Android email client or keyboard on the market, there are literally hundreds. The choice is there to make what you want of Android
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One last Q for you...I've seen a lot of people give out about how they don't like having to sync with iTunes all the time with the iPhone, but surely this makes life easy as it does everything automatically for you? Am I missing something???
Yep. As PogMoThoin just said, I suspect you've not used iTunes on Windows. It stinks. It's slow, unreliable and it's a hog.

It's a lot better on MacOS X, but it's still slow, and it can become unresponsive very easily. I use it only as a music player.

What it does, the iPhone does very well, but it's not for everyone. Despite this, its fans can be a little bit excessive in their praise sometimes - it wasn't the automatic best choice when it came out, it still isn't now.

I've a Nokia N8 (which I wouldn't recommend until the new Symbian Belle software update is released for it, btw), and I wouldn't trade it for an iPhone, because iPhone can't do some of the things I use my N8 for regularly.
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You've just been sucked into the Apple ecosystem with your music still in iTunes. I hate iTunes, it's horrible, the worst POS software you could ever install on a Windows pc. And that jumping through hoops is called drag and drop, which on Android doesn't limit you to your own collection.

I'd agree the default Samsung Touchwiz email and keyboard is shíte, but there's no way you've tried every Android email client or keyboard on the market, there are literally hundreds. The choice is there to make what you want of Android
Maybe I have been sucked in, but to be honest, I like being able to purchase my music on my Mac and for it to appear on my iPhone or iPad automatically. The latest ebook I have downloaded is there on any of my devices, right where I left off and all the new TV Shows I have unwatched in my library are also on my devices. It's great for me, because I have better things to do with my time than worry what is on what device and what is not.

I want is a good experience, right out of the box. The iPhone delivers most of what I want, so Im a happy customer. I never found an Android e-mail client I got on with. iOS puts a dot next to unread e-mails, so it was much easier to tell at a glance what is read and unread. I know this may seem like a trivial thing, but small touches like this, replicated throughout the phone make a difference to usability.

For me an iPhone works best, but that is just me. For people who are as ingrained into the Google way as I am the Apple way Android can make more sense.

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Maybe I have been sucked in, but to be honest, I like being able to purchase my music on my Mac and for it to appear on my iPhone or iPad automatically. The latest ebook I have downloaded is there on any of my devices, right where I left off and all the new TV Shows I have unwatched in my library are also on my devices. It's great for me, because I have better things to do with my time than worry what is on what device and what is not.

I have absolutely no interest in modifying every micro setting on my phone. All I want is a good experience, right out of the box. The iPhone delivers most of what I want, so Im a happy customer. I never found an e-mail client I got on with, any I tried shaded messages, whereas iOS puts a dot next to unread e-mails, so it was much easier to tell at a glance. I know this may seem like a trivial thing, but small touches like this, replicated throughout the phone make a difference to usability.
I think you've captured a lot in one post BD. The iphone (or for that matter any iOS device) just works straight out of the box. If you want something more customisable (like some people do including myself who uses a BlackBerry) then another device might suit more.
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Maybe I have been sucked in, but to be honest, I like being able to purchase my music on my Mac and for it to appear on my iPhone or iPad automatically.
My point entirely. Someone with a Windows pc may not get as good an experience. Itunes on windows is terrible and they force you use it.

Android is never going to work right for you, Jobs made sure of that

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I4s VS GS2. Witch is better?


Found a few vids utube to help ya.. Yea I know people will say he's biased or whatever but I have found his views to be more on the mark than off it.
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I hate iTunes, it's horrible, the worst POS software you could ever install on a Windows pc.
Couldn't agree more on that,it pains me to even open that programme.

It just runs horribly on pc.
It's actually quicker to download an album you already own from a torrent site to open in iTunes than rip an album in it.
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I had the same dilemma recently and went with the Samsung Galaxy S2, the Iphone 4 is completely over rated by the ifanbots. The Iphone was great when it first came out but has been seriously over taken since then, sure Samsung made a quarter of it, and apple make none of it how is it meant to stay in front when the competition in Asia actually make it.

See also, click here.

Get the iphone by all means if you like it, its suits some people, but make up your own mind and don't listen to the best marketing machine at the moment.
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Yep. As PogMoThoin just said, I suspect you've not used iTunes on Windows. It stinks. It's slow, unreliable and it's a hog.

It's a lot better on MacOS X, but it's still slow, and it can become unresponsive very easily. I use it only as a music player.

What it does, the iPhone does very well, but it's not for everyone. Despite this, its fans can be a little bit excessive in their praise sometimes - it wasn't the automatic best choice when it came out, it still isn't now.

I've a Nokia N8 (which I wouldn't recommend until the new Symbian Belle software update is released for it, btw), and I wouldn't trade it for an iPhone, because iPhone can't do some of the things I use my N8 for regularly.
Ah right ok! You're suspicion is correct...I've never used iTunes on Windows, only on my Mac so that explains that I guess!

I actually have the N8 too, what drives me mad about it is the qwerty keyboard in landscape mode...not at all touch-friendly The camera is outstanding on the other hand though! I reckon I'll be throwing it up on ebay shortly.

For me, the downsides of the iPhone appear to be:
1) the crap ringtones they have on it - they're a dead loss in fairness
2) the super-short lead attached the charger - if I'm going to have to charge it every night then I want the lead to be long enough to reach my bed at least!
3) the overall look of the phone is just downright boring to me - it looks EXACTLY like all previous iPhones, the iPhone was pure class when it first came out but 4yrs later it still looks the same...YAWN!!!

PS I'm also considering the N9 - any thoughts on that??
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I agree with you there about apps...all you're ever going to need are a few anyway & after that they're all repeated.

I haven't researched much about the phones yet tbh cos I don't plan on getting it for another few wks but what do you mean when you say screen issues? I've noticed that the Sensation XE is out now and the XL is coming out soon so I'm actually thinking of the XL....I just really like the Sense UI on htc mobiles. Does the SGS2 have something to rival that? I have a Samsung Wave at the mo and it just doesn't match it really imo.

Music on the devices doesn't bother me too much really as I have an iPod.

One last Q for you...I've seen a lot of people give out about how they don't like having to sync with iTunes all the time with the iPhone, but surely this makes life easy as it does everything automatically for you? Am I missing something???
For the Sensation, just google "Sensation screen issues" and you'll see a number of hits about the screen becoming unresponsive after even a couple of weeks. I had a problem with the Hero, about a year after I got it. They replaced the screen under warrenty, but it was enough to make me wary.

I liked the SenseUI on the Hero, and the TouchWizzUI is just Samsungs' version of it. It's grand. The Samsung keyboard I changed for SwiftKeyX. Got the trial for a month, and it's the first app I'm actually considering buying.

I can't stand iTunes. I don't understand what people find so hard about drag and drop. Connect your phone/mp3 player. Select the music. Drop it into the folder on your phone. Done. MP3 files can be played on almost everything now, AAC files cannot play on anything that doesn't have an Apple logo.

You have a Wave at the moment, but that's like comparing a Corsa with an M5. Both do essentially the same thing, but aimed at completely different ends of the spectrum.

Haven't watched the XE & XL develop, but I'd go for the XE being Dual Core, better res screen (while a touch smaller). Internal storage is less, and that's disappointing, but supports up to 32gb SD cards, and comes with a 16gb one.
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