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03-11-2008, 23:14   #151
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i liked it. a lot.
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03-11-2008, 23:27   #152
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Really didn't like Casino Royale, and didn't think much of this either. It was entertaining, but a lot of problems. For a series trying to go gritty and realistic, parts such as the plane chase feel out of place. The opening chase is fun, but as they feel the need to have more and more vehicles explode it is a bit at odds with the rest of the film. It is James Bond, a series known for action, so perhaps it should be expected, but just seems a bit too inconsistent. Its too far fetched (although the lack of invisible cars is still infinitely welcome) for the story and character they are trying to develop.

Editing, as mentioned, is bad. It is always a bad thing to notice the editing (and as great as the Dark Knight was, it suffered from similiar problems) but the action sometimes jumps weirdly. The quick pacing makes it hard to get a grips on whats happening, and once or twice (in the car and boat chases particularly) it was a little disorientating.

And as said the story is a wee bit overly convoluted. It is easy to get the gist, but some of the subtleties are hidden in complexity.

I must admit I am a Bond cynic, far more approving of the other spy that begins with 'Bo'. But I think the main problem is trying to make a franchise like this seem relevant. It was a good idea to insert the plot about oil and resources (even if it was pretty heavy handed) in a film where the main hero is a Cold War, macho kind of guy: they are trying to bring Bond up to date. But emotionally its hard to engage with (none of the deaths have been shocking). The film tries hard to find a balance between old Bond and new concerns, but struggles like Casino Royale. Like that film's middle act, some parts are good: the opera scene for example. And the fights have a real weight to them: shattering glass and awkwardness make for some good fisticuffs. It is entertainment, but trying to take the character in this direction has proven difficult. And the fact that this just seems like a standard sequel - theres even more parkour! - it doesn't really improve upon anything.

Most importantly though: yes, there appeared to be a graphic upskirt shot which was one of the most bizarre shots in recent memory.
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04-11-2008, 00:40   #153
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Also what was with his pumpkin pie haircutted henchman? I waited the whole movie to see him do something nasty but he was just a some movable scenery eating prop who looked like an extra from a Farrelly Brothers film
see, this, and the fact that Fields doesnt announce her full name, instead choosing to say "Just fields", i saw as a wink to the camera, acknowledging previous cheesey elements of bond films, but showing that they're going in a new more serious direction with them.

The only thing i could really fault is some of the editing, could have been longer but maybe we can blame the writers strike for that, and i'm sure the next installation will be an epic round up.
also, the opening credits were quite disappointing. the song i now love, but all the bond silhouette did was move around with his gun drawn, a "hard-hitting bond kicking seven shades of excrement" silhouette would have been much better.
I followed it quite well, and knew we wouldnt find out much about quantum, hollywood is obsessed with trilogy stories these days.
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I followed it quite well, and knew we wouldnt find out much about quantum, hollywood is obsessed with trilogy stories these days.
It felt like that to me too. Like the middle part of a trilogy, setting up the big finale. This film will stand or fall based on the strength of the third installment
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I really liked it and am dreaming of a Directors Cut of it. Apparently a lot of dialogue was cut?
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04-11-2008, 15:17   #156
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While we're at this, can somebody please tell me what exact;y happened in Haiti?

Someone (an MI5 agent?) was supposed to kill the Russian woman, then Bond followed her, then she got onto th Generals boat, then Bond pulled her off it, then a battle ensued?
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Most importantly though: yes, there appeared to be a graphic upskirt shot which was one of the most bizarre shots in recent memory.
That was hilarious!
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04-11-2008, 15:39   #158
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While we're at this, can somebody please tell me what exact;y happened in Haiti?

Someone (an MI5 agent?) was supposed to kill the Russian woman, then Bond followed her, then she got onto th Generals boat, then Bond pulled her off it, then a battle ensued?
Spoiler: Bond went after the guy they had worked out was working for quantum. he kills him. She mistakes bond for him, and has been sent by the boss to pick him up. the boss has arranged for the other guy to kill her. so when bond opens the briefcase he says "apparently i'm meant to kill you". she gets away, he follows her to the base. she confronts her boss about the murder attempt, he tells her if she sticks around he'll introduce her to the general who she wants to kill. instead, he hands her over to her, knowing the general will rape and kill her.
Bond knows she knows a lot more about the whole situation so goes after her..

etc etc..
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While we're at this, can somebody please tell me what exact;y happened in Haiti?

Someone (an MI5 agent?) was supposed to kill the Russian woman, then Bond followed her, then she got onto th Generals boat, then Bond pulled her off it, then a battle ensued?
Spoiler: Bond killed the assassin. The guy was hired by Domonic Greene to get rid of Camille. After Bond opened the briefcase, she realised [mistakenly] that he was there to kill her. She then proceeded to confront Greene at the dock.

The General was her target all along. She used Greene to get to him. Greene knew this, and informed the General about who Camille was.
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Ok, thanks lads.
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That was hilarious!
Reminded me of "Fight Club" where Brad Pitt would insert pics into the movie.

I actually looked around in the cinema and there were a few "did I just see that?" faces along with mine
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it was full on to, giblets and all. Ive seen it twice and the 2nd time i made sure.
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The cynic in me says that the blink-and-you'll-miss-it fanny shot is in there to drive blu-ray sales. Am I wrong?
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It was a good film, but nothing that I could engross myself in. There wasn't any scenes that had my heart pounding like there was in Casino Royale (the defibrillator scene for instance). I liked how by the end of the film Bond Spoiler: had started on the road away from recklessness when he chose not to kill Greene or the guy who screwed over Vesper.

I'd give it a 3/5.
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It was a good film, but nothing that I could engross myself in. There wasn't any scenes that had my heart pounding like there was in Casino Royale (the defibrillator scene for instance). I liked how by the end of the film Bond Spoiler: had started on the road away from recklessness when he chose not to kill Greene or the guy who screwed over Vesper.

I'd give it a 3/5.
That also pissed me off....he was on some out of control revenge bender for the whole film and then he catched the two biggest culprits of Vespers death and he doesn't kill them...
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