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26-09-2020, 22:24   #3991
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Still waiting for Trump to name his USSC nominee, presumably he's following the "keep the audience anticipating" routine. If it's Amy Coney Barrett, she will have to recuse herself in any case taken about the vote outcome as he's made it plain that he wants her on the bench ASAP to ensure any USSC decision on an appeal to annul the vote result is in his favour. Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done. To do otherwise would be for the present bench to allow a perversion of the course of that which they hold dear.
Confirmed as nominee. Trump and McConnell barely waited for RBG to be cold in the ground before nominating a replacement. Ugh.

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26-09-2020, 22:29   #3992
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Distasteful to nominate Barrett and RBG not even buried.
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26-09-2020, 22:34   #3993
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Am I right in understanding that she has only been a judge for a couple of years? Surely the idea of a Supreme Court is to provide decisions based on knowledge, experience and wisdom, all of which take more than a couple of years to acquire.
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Am I right in understanding that she has only been a judge for a couple of years? Surely the idea of a Supreme Court is to provide decisions based on knowledge, experience and wisdom, all of which take more than a couple of years to acquire.
She’s only been a judge since 2017. I will say at least she has some practical experience unlike some of trumps picks for judges who were woefully under qualified. And I agree that it’s very poor form to announcing a pick and the woman not even buried but sure why would that matter to the GOP.
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Irish person in mad culture war vindictiveness shocker.


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..and you believed it?
No I didn't believe it but I do believe she hated him and I wouldn't be too worried about respecting someone who hates you
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Am I right in understanding that she has only been a judge for a couple of years? Surely the idea of a Supreme Court is to provide decisions based on knowledge, experience and wisdom, all of which take more than a couple of years to acquire.
She won't even have the distinction of having been the least experienced judge at the time of nomination to this Supreme Court. Clarence Thomas had been a judge for less than 16 months when Bush I nominated him! It could have been even more farcical then that as well. He had made the shortlist for a previous nomination a year earlier after only being a judge for 4 months:

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Clearly the extra year made all the difference!
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Great that Trump is chosing a woman for the judge job. Media will paint it as a bad thing though.
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Chuck Schumer starting the counter-attack on the nomination to the senate by letting the voter know the nominee has chosen to reduce Obamacare healthcare options to public, women's right to choice on reproduction, labor unions. LGBT civil rights including marriage [which his daughter availed of]. Given the current Covid-19 epidemic in the U.S, with Trumps campaign against Obamacare coming to the USSC, Schumer is making a blunt appeal to the voter depending on Obamacare for health insurance cover to go straight to their U.S senators and pressure them to vote against Trump's nominee on the basis that she will be a danger to their health and wellbeing in a vote on the issue before the USSC if she is voted on to its bench.

Trump has messed up badly by not getting his and the GOP act together [in a coordinated manner] on a replacement healthcare act, instead just winging it on a bluff. The other issues she also has stated personal opinions against reduce the existing civil rights of the voters enhanced by prior USSC decisions without harming her, or others, religious belief rights under the constitution.

I don't particularly trust the two GOP senators who've said they wont support the nominee by voting for her. One used a senate voting manoeuvre to get around her promise not to vote for Trump on a past issue and yet succeed in ensuring Trump got the benefit of an extra vote by standing aside [pairing with] when a democratic senator wasn't in the chamber to vote on it.

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Great that Trump is chosing a woman for the judge job. Media will paint it as a bad thing though.
Wrll Trumps zealots painted it as a bad thing when Biden chose a woman as V.P!
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Turns out Trump respects women, have you seen his wife? Amazing
Have you seen his wife? She hates him! She certainly doesn't respect him.
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I respect her hugely for that. Personally I discount anyone as a person who supports Trump. And I believe it is the duty of any decent, honest person with a shred of integrity to resist him in any way possible.
Ive yet to meet a Trump voter in person but I was in the UK for brexit and I imagine its similar in the sense that once you got past the BS with a brexiter it was really about racism which as you say should be resisted in any way possible
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Both votes were absolutely decided by feelings rather than facts.

Unfortunately too when you get down to it a large contingent of voters, for various reasons other than them just being "bad people" feel negative toward immigrants and people of different colour/creed.

That is exploited and used to stoke up emotion, generally fear and that will drive people to the polls out of a sense of self preservation for their way of life.
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Both votes were absolutely decided by feelings rather than facts.
Votes often are decided by feelings rather than facts, to be fair, or at least feelings are considerable component, and politicians who discount them do so at their peril. Obama rode to office on a message of hope and change, but anybody who took the time to really step out and think critically could tell that a U.S. president is not a genie who can make sweeping changes to a nation overnight. That's usually a gradual thing. But it was still a message that made people feel good. Feelgood factor and charismatic people are big things in electoral success, from what I can see. Not to say this was all Obama had, but he knew that there were two sides to the coin.

Facts can sometimes even be downright detrimental. Who, for example, in the rust belt states or coal country of the U.S. wanted to hear that their towns were in an irreversible decline without their traditional industries which probably weren't coming back, ever. That has statistics to back it up. There is less demand for coal and less people needed to mine it, and it's cheaper to manufacture cars overseas or with robots, but this is a bitter pill to swallow. And it shows remarkable detachment for a politician to say, "Well, maybe you can retrain?" to someone whose identity is based on, "My daddy was a coal miner and so was his daddy and so was his daddy."
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Both votes were absolutely decided by feelings rather than facts.

Unfortunately too when you get down to it a large contingent of voters, for various reasons other than them just being "bad people" feel negative toward immigrants and people of different colour/creed.

That is exploited and used to stoke up emotion, generally fear and that will drive people to the polls out of a sense of self preservation for their way of life.

Of course racism played a role, but why did Obama win two elections before Trump? Were the racists fine with a black man as president but an old white women was where they drew the line.

The major parties in both the UK and America have failed the people with their brand of neo liberal politics thus it was always possible that something like Trump or Brexit could happen.

Trump obviously is Zombie Reganism on steroids and Brexit will be a ****show, but nonetheless blaming xenophobia is giving those whether it is corporate dems/republicans,,,Blairism etc a pass they don't deserve for laying the groundwork for Brexit and Trump.
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