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Calls for Minister for Children Roderic O'Gorman to resign..

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  • #212
    [Deleted User]
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Read it again I said I don't think that's what he meant, actually I'm pretty sure it's not what he meant.

    But you also expected him to associate maps with paedophilia which is ludicrous.


  • #213
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    ronivek wrote: »
    A prominent gay member of the Green party was pictured next to another prominent gay member of the Green party at a Pride Parade in 2018.

    I don't believe either of them should have to comment on any opinion or belief held by the other in that kind of situation; they were there in the context of their common political party supporting a movement which is presumably very important for both of them (gay pride).

    Now if they were pictured together at an annual meeting of some paedophile support group I could see why people might have legitimate concerns.


    this is just isn't true. Politicians frequently get attacked for associating with people who have weird (in the loosest possible meaning of the word) opinions. We recently had a lad in young FG lashed out of it for attending a conference that had Mike Pence at it...a mere conference he attended. Demands for his head too - no explanation was deemed worthy only his head.

    There are plenty others, that just stuck in my head that merely being in the same room was enough to hang somebody.


    Pedophilia is a huge issue , there is no greater crime and Ireland has been scarred badly by it in the recent past.

    On this issue , there is no middle ground.

    It's clear why the minister has his defenders. His sexuality has provided him with a shield which is odd as fcuk.
    Don't say you (and the others liking your comments) would defend Willie O'Dea or Barry Cowan with such vigor cos we know you wouldn't.


  • #214
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Quick thought experiment

    Here’s the hypothetitical situation - New FF minister for children enthusiastically tweets photos and tributes to some dodgy catholic priest with odd views on age of consent.

    What would be the reaction?

    Specifically, what would be the reaction of liberals?

    And also, what would greens think if it was a ff minister?


  • #215
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,787 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    paw patrol wrote: »
    this is just isn't true. Politicians frequently get attacked for associating with people who have weird (in the loosest possible meaning of the word) opinions. We recently had a lad in young FG lashed out of it for attending a conference that had Mike Pence at it...a mere conference he attended. Demands for his head too - no explanation was deemed worthy only his head.

    There are plenty others, that just stuck in my head that merely being in the same room was enough to hang somebody.


    Pedophilia is a huge issue , there is no greater crime and Ireland has been scarred badly by it in the recent past.

    On this issue , there is no middle ground.

    It's clear why the minister has his defenders. His sexuality has provided him with a shield which is odd as fcuk.
    Don't say you (and the others liking your comments) would defend Willie O'Dea or Barry Cowan with such vigor cos we know you wouldn't.

    Of course it's true - When Minister O'Gorman was appointed - pictures started circulating of him kissing his partner alongside lots of comments saying saying he was a paedophile. Then a trawl started through his social media with absolutely crazy off the wall conspiracies about maps. Basically - The far right are trying to latch onto this and use the fact he is a gay man to start screaming about paedophiles.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #216
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    paw patrol wrote: »
    this is just isn't true. Politicians frequently get attacked for associating with people who have weird (in the loosest possible meaning of the word) opinions. We recently had a lad in young FG lashed out of it for attending a conference that had Mike Pence at it...a mere conference he attended. Demands for his head too - no explanation was deemed worthy only his head.

    There are plenty others, that just stuck in my head that merely being in the same room was enough to hang somebody.


    Pedophilia is a huge issue , there is no greater crime and Ireland has been scarred badly by it in the recent past.

    On this issue , there is no middle ground.

    It's clear why the minister has his defenders. His sexuality has provided him with a shield which is odd as fcuk.
    Don't say you (and the others liking your comments) would defend Willie O'Dea or Barry Cowan with such vigor cos we know you wouldn't.


    If any moderate right wing politician ended up in a event with far right people, it wouldn't be defended like this is. It would be held as outright proof that said person was far right. It's not even analogous either, as pedophilia is a far greater crime, regardless of what these types think.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • #217
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,091 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But you also expected him to associate maps with paedophilia which is ludicrous.

    I'd expect him to know the double meaning, did I expect it to cross his mind, hardly. Does it look like a bad choice of words now considering his affiliates, absolutely.


  • #218
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    That scraping sound you hear across social media this morning is the last of the LGBT panstick being applied before serious answers are demanded en masse from this new Minister.

    This is utter insanity.
    The man had an interest in cartography. It was a picture of a map..

    This is homophobic, and much like the majority of This thread, should be thrown very very far away


  • #219
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,787 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'd expect him to know the double meaning, did I expect it to cross his mind, hardly. Does it look like a bad choice of words now considering his affiliates, absolutely.

    Why? You didnt know the meaning until this week. I didnt know the meaning until this week. Its a map. You do realise how utterly off the wall you sound don't you - suggesting people cant talk about maps. Seriously you are posting Gemmaroid Batshyt conspiraloon drivel.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #220
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    The minister needs to resign. If he was in a different ministerial position you may put forward a case that his association with Tatchell could be explained away , but he isn't in a different position.

    The problem now faced is one faced in broader society today. The rainbow flag is behind him in the picture. People are afraid of saying anything against it, its already clear in this thread where people are crying homophobia. We need to be really clear and factual, there is nothing homophobic about calling out a childrens minister with a clear association with an activist who has abhorrent views on underage consenting sex with adults. No link is acceptable in my opinion, I wouldn't hire someone for a job with children if they associated with anyone with those views.

    That's not homophobic, its plain common sense and we need to be able to discuss it openly no matter what flag or new social justice movement is hiding it in plain sight.
    There is also a view on Mr Norris in this thread, agreed he should be called out more vocally, but you cannot use that as a defence for a childrens minister, I'd question a persons personal views if that's a line of defence.


  • #221
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    redunited wrote: »
    Do you support the views and opinions of Tatchell?

    Do you think the Minister of Children should be associated with someone with such views and opinions?

    All RoG did was take a photo at a pride march?

    We have nothing else showing ‘association’.

    Read less GoD and far right Bs and actually think shout what you’re saying


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  • #222
    musiknonstop
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭musiknonstop


    Clear association = 2 pictures from twitter in 2019. Jog on.


  • #223
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    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'd expect him to know the double meaning, did I expect it to cross his mind, hardly. Does it look like a bad choice of words now considering his affiliates, absolutely.

    You didn't know the meaning, why should he? When I see a map, I don't think of potential double meanings. When a person writes "car porn", I don't assume there's a potential double meaning either.


  • #224
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    All RoG did was take a photo at a pride march?

    We have nothing else showing ‘association’.

    Read less GoD and far right Bs and actually think shout what you’re saying

    Throwing out a far right claim ? I think you'll find its normal people asking questions of a childrens minister with links to a paedo apologist.
    You can try and say its just a pic if you like, but stop the far right stuff as if only Nazi's would be worried about a link .Anyone right or left should be, unless they are far left of course


  • #225
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,787 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Read it again I said I don't think that's what he meant, actually I'm pretty sure it's not what he meant.

    You're supposed to know it's a Colt Automatic Rifle. :pac:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #226
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'd expect him to know the double meaning, did I expect it to cross his mind, hardly. Does it look like a bad choice of words now considering his affiliates, absolutely.

    What affiliate? What association?

    It is 2(1?) photos from pride a few years ago. That is not proof of anything. Not by any stretch

    Also Maps are a location guide to everyone not in the Far Right!

    The ‘acronym’ is used in a subset of internet culture that the vast majority are not apart of.

    Far right.


  • #227
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,787 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    noddy69 wrote: »
    Throwing out a far right claim ? I think you'll find its normal people asking questions of a childrens minister with links to a paedo apologist.
    You can try and say its just a pic if you like, but stop the far right stuff as if only Nazi's would be worried about a link .Anyone right or left should be, unless they are far left of course

    The far right are absolutely and utterly leading the charge on this. Gemma, Irexit, Renua - they are frothing at the mouth with hate porn over it

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #228
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    noddy69 wrote: »
    Throwing out a far right claim ? I think you'll find its normal people asking questions of a childrens minister with links to a paedo apologist.
    You can try and say its just a pic if you like, but stop the far right stuff as if only Nazi's would be worried about a link .Anyone right or left should be, unless they are far left of course

    MAP as an acronym is used almost exclusively by the FR.

    There are no links with this person other than a picture on twitter?

    Can you provide any further links other than those shared by GoD?

    Becuase a picture from Pride is lot association by any stretch of any imagination.


  • #229
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    noddy69 wrote: »
    Throwing out a far right claim ? I think you'll find its normal people asking questions of a childrens minister with links to a paedo apologist.
    You can try and say its just a pic if you like, but stop the far right stuff as if only Nazi's would be worried about a link .Anyone right or left should be, unless they are far left of course

    MAP as an acronym is used almost exclusively by the FR.

    There are no links with this person other than a picture on twitter?

    Can you provide any further links other than those shared by GoD?

    Becuase a picture from Pride is lot association by any stretch of any imagination.


  • #230
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭take everything


    So let's see.

    A guy whose hero is someone who thinks adults having sex with children from the age of 9 to 13 is totally ok and who (Thatchell) admits his friends have done so.

    This guy not only enthuses about his hero (even recently) but has association with him. And does not denounce this association.

    This is the guy being made Minister for Children.

    At least one poster here thinking there is nothing wrong with Thatchell's stance.

    **** me.
    Truly Onion level stuff.

    Ireland must be the wokest of the woke now. Everyone will love us.
    Couldn't make this **** up.


  • #231
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Of course it's true - When Minister O'Gorman was appointed - pictures started circulating of him kissing his partner alongside lots of comments saying saying he was a paedophile. Then a trawl started through his social media with absolutely crazy off the wall conspiracies about maps. Basically - The far right are trying to latch onto this and use the fact he is a gay man to start screaming about paedophiles.


    twitter seems to be a sh1tehole from all sides. i don't look at it bar any links posted here. But I can accept what you say about the attacks - they have happened of that there is no doubt in my mind.


    But this (an association with somebody who seems, at worst, to support pedophilia or at best is sympathetic toward it ) supersedes the anti-gay assholery associated with social media.


    I believe whole-heartedly it requires clarification.


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  • #232
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    take everything wrote: »
    So let's see.

    A guy whose hero is someone who thinks adults having sex with children form the age of 9 to 13 is totally ok and who (Thatchell) admits his friends have done so.

    This guy not only enthuses about his hero (even recently) but has association with him. And does not denounce this association.

    This is the guy being made Minister for Children.

    At least one poster here thinking there is nothing wrong with Thatchell's stance.

    **** me.
    Truly Onion level stuff.

    Ireland must be the wokest of the woke now. Everyone will love us.
    Couldn't make this **** up.

    What association?
    Honestly can You show association and ‘hero’ other than a photo(2?) published on twitter from a pride march?

    Becuase if not this is a baseless attack on someone who has done nothing wrong (RoG)


  • #233
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    paw patrol wrote: »
    twitter seems to be a sh1tehole from all sides. i don't look at it bar any links posted here. But I can accept what you say about the attacks - they have happened of that there is no doubt in my mind.


    But this (an association with somebody who seems, at worst, to support pedophilia or at best is sympathetic toward it ) supersedes the anti-gay assholery associated with social media.


    I believe whole-heartedly it requires clarification.

    What association?

    Is there legit proof of association?


  • #234
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭take everything


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    What association?
    Honestly can You show association and ‘hero’ other than a photo(2?) published on twitter from a pride march?

    Becuase if not this is a baseless attack on someone who has done nothing wrong (RoG)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=roderic+o+gorman+peter+tatchell&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiusrSR9rDqAhWuZxUIHTmDCjUQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=560&dpr=3


  • #235
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    MAP as an acronym is used almost exclusively by the FR.

    There are no links with this person other than a picture on twitter?

    Can you provide any further links other than those shared by GoD?

    Becuase a picture from Pride is lot association by any stretch of any imagination.

    It is 100% an association of significance when you are a childrens minister. If you don't think it is fine, but you need to understand other people do.
    Its nothing to do with homophobia or he far right or anything else, the association and tweet is enough, as its a public record which calls out support for Tatchell.


  • #236
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    MAP as an acronym is used almost exclusively by the FR.

    There are no links with this person other than a picture on twitter?

    Can you provide any further links other than those shared by GoD?

    Becuase a picture from Pride is lot association by any stretch of any imagination.

    The picture shows a politician voicing public support for Tatchell. His views have been clear for years , it isn't something new, everyone at that pride march new it.

    That is enough when you are now childrens minister, its not hard to grasp that's what people are saying


  • #237
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The far right are absolutely and utterly leading the charge on this. Gemma, Irexit, Renua - they are frothing at the mouth with hate porn over it

    No they are not. They are doing what they always do, which is take something that has genuine support from people and try and garner support from it.
    Don't conflate the fact that those idiots have a view with the actual facts of the public support shown by our childrens minister for Tatchell. There i sno way in hell he didn't know Tatchells views


  • #238
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,787 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    noddy69 wrote: »
    It is 100% an association of significance when you are a childrens minister. If you don't think it is fine, but you need to understand other people do.
    Its nothing to do with homophobia or he far right or anything else, the association and tweet is enough, as its a public record which calls out support for Tatchell.

    It is about completely about the Far Right. All of this is being driven by far right hatemongers jumping up and down screaming about paedophiles and trying to utilise their supporters homophobia.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #239
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    take everything wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/search?q=roderic+o+gorman+peter+tatchell&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiusrSR9rDqAhWuZxUIHTmDCjUQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=560&dpr=3

    That is the one photo and tweet multiple times?

    So No is the answer

    Absolutely zero actual association


  • #240
    noddy69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    It is about completely about the Far Right. All of this is being driven by far right hatemongers jumping up and down screaming about paedophiles and trying to utilise their supporters homophobia.

    One question. What do you think of our childrens minister, who would have known Tatchells views as they are widely especially at Pride, showing public support for him ?
    That wasn't just a pic, it was public support.

    Answer that question before judging who you believe is pushing the agenda makes it incorrect

    So ?


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  • #241
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,091 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You didn't know the meaning, why should he? When I see a map, I don't think of potential double meanings. When a person writes "car porn", I don't assume there's a potential double meaning either.

    I didn't but I'd assume prominent people in the community would, I think it's a nothing burger but I can see how some people are making the long stretch.
    Personally when I spotted it I thought people have gone bat **** crazy, it's a map.


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