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01-12-2019, 16:26   #46
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It’s just very sudden. I’ve heard rumblings last year but nothing recent
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01-12-2019, 16:28   #47
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It’s just very sudden. I’ve heard rumblings last year but nothing recent
Sudden? He has just completed something that no manager was ever able to achieve in the game before and is bowing out on a high as a winner and the greatest ever. It’s to be expected if anything, hardly sudden.
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Just now on RTradio they played what was called a “very revealing” interview with a dublin board member (didn’t catch name)

The interview was recorded in the man’s home last night.

He said how JG pulled out of a team photo planned for thurs night and because of that the team photo had to be cancelled.

Then he announces his retirement yest.

the man in the interview kept emphasizing the shock but almost in a blase way saying they’ll get someone in place quickly and move on.

He said there’ll be no big deal made of it and it will take a few mins to ring someone to replace JG. A slightly dismissive tone which I was surprised by.

got the feeling he was “holding back” information for some reason.

I wonder is there something more to this.

Edit. Got the name. Sean Costello.
I've listened to the Sean Shanley interview.

RTE Radio 1 hyping it up as a revealing interview was not in context of some alternative backstory to Jim Gavin's departure.

It more so to demonstrate the genuine shock suddeness of Jim Gavin's decision to leave.

Many have mentioned there were many signals in the immediate aftermath of the All Ireland final that it might be his swansong.Like others I now speculate he left his departure so as to not take away from the 5 in a row achievement and make it about him.He's done it all and I am sure thought long and hard about his family commitments and his job as assistant director of the IAA.

There was no blaseness in his mention of the process to replace him.

There is a pre arranged management meeting next Monday night (pre the county convention in December) and then a county committee meeting where permission will be sought to talk to prospective candidates.No formal process.

The phone call(s) were only mentioned in the context of confirming persons were interested in the position.

He most definitely was not holding anything back.
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There's more soccer in Donegal than most counties.
Soccer is huge in east Donegal/Inishowen, and that’s where most of the people in the county live. Not to mention Finn Harps in Ballybofey, while they’re not great they’re still a premier division side, which is something most other counties wouldn’t have to contend with. It was a completely ignorant and unsubstantiated comment.
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Revolutionised football lol . He turned most people off football . If he was a great manager he would have won another one in 2014 when an average kerry team by there standards beat them in final . Never get all this mcguinness love . He was manager of a big county where there no real rugby soccer or hurling played to a decent level . It’s not the loaves and fishes deal that some make it out to be .
Donegal is a massive soccer county.

And by any standard he (Jim) completely revolutionised the game.

This thread is about Gavin, not McGuinness in any event. Trying to categorise somebody as the 'best ever' is tabloid / pub talk' there is no right or wrong and to be honest the whole thing is quite frankly boring.

Gavin was an exceptional manager, as was McGuinness, as was Hate, as was Boylan, as was Micko etc etc etc.
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02-12-2019, 21:00   #51
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Have to laugh at some of the stuff on this thread.

Jim Gavin's team won five All-Irelands in a row, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team won 18 out of the first 21 major trophies in seven years, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in championship and league, and in championship only, no other manager ever did that.

That makes him the greatest manager of all time. No questions, no doubts. The statistics are too far above anyone else.

If you case your mind back to the autumn of 2012, there would have been Cork, Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal and Kerry, who would have all been confident that they could win the next All-Ireland. No other era ever had that many competitors. They have all been beaten out of sight since.
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3 days since anyone posted on this thread

That says a lot

I have a good few county board contacts

All I can say at the moment is watch this space.

More to come.
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3 days since anyone posted on this thread

That says a lot

I have a good few county board contacts

All I can say at the moment is watch this space.

More to come.
What country board though?
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3 days since anyone posted on this thread

That says a lot

I have a good few county board contacts

All I can say at the moment is watch this space.

More to come.
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Have to laugh at some of the stuff on this thread.

Jim Gavin's team won five All-Irelands in a row, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team won 18 out of the first 21 major trophies in seven years, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in championship and league, and in championship only, no other manager ever did that.

That makes him the greatest manager of all time. No questions, no doubts. The statistics are too far above anyone else.

If you case your mind back to the autumn of 2012, there would have been Cork, Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal and Kerry, who would have all been confident that they could win the next All-Ireland. No other era ever had that many competitors. They have all been beaten out of sight since.
It’s all relative I suppose. I would say winning 8 All Ireland’s and then going to two other counties and managing to win provincial titles after no title in 42 years (Kildare) and 57 years (Laois) takes someone special. Micko has as much of an argument as Gavin in my eyes if not more.
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Jim and Micko are without doubt in the top two, but what I think shades it for Micko is the strength of the team's he faced during the same era. You had the best ever Dublin team before this one came around and the best ever Offaly team (a cult classic) that obviously came back to beat them in 1982. To win eight All Irelands between 1975-1986 (and no back-door) was some going.

Compare that to this era. How many counties can claim to have had their strongest group? Donegal certainly, who of course were the only team to have beaten Gavin. Mayo perhaps, but no backbone when it matters. This version of Tyrone cannot hold a candle to the 00s team. Kerry should develop into a top team, but aren't there yet. All the other traditional footballing counties have regressed.

I understand that this Dublin team have won a few AI's by a single point, and were brought to two replays, and that's a feather in Gavin's cap as he has them drilled to the nth degree. Don't want to bring the elephant in the room into the debate, but that clearly helps too.

So while both their feats will never be seen again, I am of the belief that Micko just shades as he was up against stronger teams than Gavin.
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Jim and Micko are without doubt in the top two, but what I think shades it for Micko is the strength of the team's he faced during the same era. You had the best ever Dublin team before this one came around and the best ever Offaly team (a cult classic) that obviously came back to beat them in 1982. To win eight All Irelands between 1975-1986 (and no back-door) was some going.

Compare that to this era. How many counties can claim to have had their strongest group? Donegal certainly, who of course were the only team to have beaten Gavin. Mayo perhaps, but no backbone when it matters. This version of Tyrone cannot hold a candle to the 00s team. Kerry should develop into a top team, but aren't there yet. All the other traditional footballing counties have regressed.

I understand that this Dublin team have won a few AI's by a single point, and were brought to two replays, and that's a feather in Gavin's cap as he has them drilled to the nth degree. Don't want to bring the elephant in the room into the debate, but that clearly helps too.

So while both their feats will never be seen again, I am of the belief that Micko just shades as he was up against stronger teams than Gavin.

I disagree.

You go back to autumn 2012, and there were a lot of counties - Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Kerry and Tyrone, even Monaghan - who would have all thought that they had a chance of winning the 2013 All-Ireland championship. All six, plus Cavan and Dublin featured in the 2013 All-Ireland quarter-finals. That wasn't the case in spring of 1975, when only Dublin, and maybe Galway might have had strong thoughts about an All-Ireland win.

Dublin have crushed the hopes and dreams of all those teams over the next seven years, with six All-Ireland titles. That Kerry team couldn't win six in seven years with only one team to beat during that time - they never had to face both Dublin and Offaly, thanks to there being no back door (Arguably, a Dublin team coming through the backdoor in 1981 could have prevented the four-in-a-row, as that was a rebuild that needed matches to learn). One of their All-Irelands took them three games to win, several others only four. Dublin have played 5 games in the All-Ireland series alone for the last two years.

It is a display of dominance over so many teams that hasn't been seen before, and will not be seen again.
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Jim and Micko are without doubt in the top two, but what I think shades it for Micko is the strength of the team's he faced during the same era. You had the best ever Dublin team before this one came around and the best ever Offaly team (a cult classic) that obviously came back to beat them in 1982. To win eight All Irelands between 1975-1986 (and no back-door) was some going.

Compare that to this era. How many counties can claim to have had their strongest group? Donegal certainly, who of course were the only team to have beaten Gavin. Mayo perhaps, but no backbone when it matters. This version of Tyrone cannot hold a candle to the 00s team. Kerry should develop into a top team, but aren't there yet. All the other traditional footballing counties have regressed.

I understand that this Dublin team have won a few AI's by a single point, and were brought to two replays, and that's a feather in Gavin's cap as he has them drilled to the nth degree. Don't want to bring the elephant in the room into the debate, but that clearly helps too.

So while both their feats will never be seen again, I am of the belief that Micko just shades as he was up against stronger teams than Gavin.
Football is a faster game now needing greater skills and better physicality / performance levels. Arguments that Kerry played against better teams in the Micko days are just nonsense. For all we know Mayo, Donegal etc of today could beat all the teams of back then making Gavin's achievement even greater.

Jim Gavin won the magical 5 in a row and is clearly the greatest and most successful manager of all time. His legend will only increase with time as with Micko.
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Great manager but honestly are we allowed to mention financial advantages...
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Great manager but honestly are we allowed to mention financial advantages...
Mentioning the financial advantages is frowned upon- The Dublin GAA secretary was complaining about the media mentioning them last week.

Here is a good, albeit highly repetitive detailing Dublin's unfair advantages compared to any other county and how those advantages help them to achieve success.

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Have to laugh at some of the stuff on this thread.

Jim Gavin's team won five All-Irelands in a row, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team won 18 out of the first 21 major trophies in seven years, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in championship and league, and in championship only, no other manager ever did that.

That makes him the greatest manager of all time. No questions, no doubts. The statistics are too far above anyone else.
There are questions, and doubts. The big question is "Would he have achieved a similar level of success without the funding and other advantages?".

He's done well, for sure, but correctly judging his legacy is very hard because of these issues.

The best way he could can truly test his mettle is by taking a county without these advantages and seeing what success he can have.
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