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Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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  • #332
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Boggles wrote: »
    How so?



    It is either nutz or it isn't.

    Immigrating for an existing and skilled position is 'a connection'.


  • #333
    thoker
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭thoker


    .. but not just anyone right.


  • #334
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    thoker wrote: »
    .. but not just anyone right.

    What are you on about.


  • #335
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Immigrating for an existing and skilled position is 'a connection'.

    A connection to the company that hires them, can't see a connection to "our land" though.


  • #336
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SSr0 wrote: »
    You seem like a very angry person, life is too short to live like that.

    Nah not at all. The opposite ;-)

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #337
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Most aren't deported

    Nope - most are. The deportation order requires enforcement on a minority. The remainder leave without enforcement.


  • #338
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Boggles wrote: »
    A connection to the company that hires them, can't see a connection to "our land" though.

    Sure the second follows the first. Because people who come in for skilled positions actually peacefully integrate rather than not work at all or work ****ty hotel and supermarket jobs then disappear into their homes where they live their entire existence outside of work.


  • #339
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Sure the second follows the first. Because people who come in for skilled positions actually peacefully integrate rather than not work at all or work ****ty hotel and supermarket jobs then disappear into their homes where they live their entire existence outside of work.

    No it doesn't, you either have a connection to "our land" or you don't.

    You don't have to try and defend every stupid statement made on here.


  • #340
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Chinasea wrote: »
    Not once was this mentioned when the red carpets were being rolled out in their droves in Athenry when Apple were planning on setting up shop and bringing hundreds to the town. NOT A ONCE...

    Athenry was going to get a data centre. There would be about a dozen people employed there.

    Go back to your playbook and get a better example next time!


  • #341
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Fair play to those protestors. The example of oughterard must give them hope

    Lets face reality though. A lot of the protesting about DP centres is Hate not Hope

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #342
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    People camped out now for a 24/7 protest.


  • #343
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Lets face reality though. A lot of the protesting about DP centres is Hate not Hope

    Proof?


  • #344
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Sure the second follows the first. Because people who come in for skilled positions actually peacefully integrate rather than not work at all or work ****ty hotel and supermarket jobs then disappear into their homes where they live their entire existence outside of work.

    so what is the problem?
    someone needs to work in hotels and supermarkets, & what difference does it make if they stay in their own homes when not working?
    how would it possibly have any affect on you what people do when they are not working


  • #345
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Varik wrote: »
    People camped out now for a 24/7 protest.

    that is a shame.


  • #346
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Who the hell would work in hotels and as cleaners and centras etc if we didn't have immigrants? Irish people don't do them jobs any more


  • #347
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Varik wrote: »
    People camped out now for a 24/7 protest.

    Link?


  • #348
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Lets face reality though. A lot of the protesting about DP centres is Hate not Hope

    What does that even mean?


  • #349
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why were the apartments given the green light to be built if the services weren't there in the first place.

    Was there a 24/7 protest at the building of the apartments when they were constructed?


  • #350
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Boggles wrote: »
    So we should get rid of all immigration, close the border completely?

    No.

    We are in the EU, so all EU migration, inward and outward, is acceptable, although it's sad to see any Irish people have to leave.

    Limited and controlled non-EU immigration is ok, as long as labour shortages here can be proven.

    Given there are approx 190,000 on the LR, I don't see much need for non-EU workers, other than in specific, limited skills, e.g. medicine.

    Genuine refugees, actually fleeing real persecution, are very welcome.

    Economic migrants, pretending to be AS, are not welcome, and should be stopped at the borders.


  • #351
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why were the apartments given the green light to be built if the services weren't there in the first place.

    Was there a 24/7 protest at the building of the apartments when they were constructed?

    Happens all the time, poor planning practice.

    Councils view seems to be build the houses etc and then the services (or just never provide the services)


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  • #352
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Happens all the time, poor planning practice.

    Councils view seems to be build the houses etc and then the services (or just never provide the services)

    Was there a 24/7 protest?

    Did the community demand meetings with government ministers?


  • #353
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Geuze wrote: »
    No.

    We are in the EU, so all EU migration, inward and outward, is acceptable, although it's sad to see any Irish people have to leave.

    Limited and controlled non-EU immigration is ok, as long as labour shortages here can be proven.

    Given there are approx 190,000 on the LR, I don't see much need for non-EU workers, other than in specific, limited skills, e.g. medicine.

    Genuine refugees, actually fleeing real persecution, are very welcome.

    Economic migrants, pretending to be AS, are not welcome, and should be stopped at the borders.

    Just curious - what’s your instant asylum assessment procedure that meets our legal obligations to those making a claim?


  • #354
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Boggles wrote: »
    Was there a 24/7 protest?

    Did the community demand meetings with government ministers?

    They were built during the tiger days, a lot of ghost estates around for the same reason.


  • #355
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Varik wrote: »
    They were built during the tiger days, a lot of ghost estates around for the same reason.

    What difference does it make when they were built?

    Was there protests at the time citing lack of services?


  • #356
    PhiloCypher
    Registered Users Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    The Irony of the whole immigration issue is if you were to do a Venn diagram of the people who moan about immigrants not integrating and relying on hand outs and the people who moan about them stealing our women and Jobs it would likely just be one circle.

    Integrate. Just not near me, in my trade, or with my sister.


  • #357
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Who the hell would work in hotels and as cleaners and centras etc if we didn't have immigrants? Irish people don't do them jobs any more
    Automation (inc robotics), that's who.

    e.g. Retail over in the uk has 2,870 stores closed in first half of 2019, mainly due to automation and ecommerce. Double digit % worforce losses, roughly 16 shops closing every day.
    Meanwhile Amzn has self-learning robots working it's warehouses, and 'creative' accounting to diminish it's taxes.

    Japan is starting to introduce robots to it's hotel receptions, is awash with auto-vending machines, and robotic vacum cleaners aren't anything new now.
    Low-skilled migrants/workers will simply find themselves as redundant assests in the 4th industrial reveloution.


  • #358
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »
    Automation (inc robotics), that's who.

    e.g. Retail over in the uk has 2,870 stores closed in first half of 2019, mainly due to automation and ecommerce. Double digit % worforce losses, roughly 16 shops closing every day.
    Meanwhile Amzn has self-learning robots working it's warehouses, and 'creative' accounting to diminish it's taxes.

    Japan is starting to introduce robots to it's hotel receptions, is awash with auto-vending machines, and robotic vacum cleaners aren't anything new now.
    Low-skilled migrants/workers will simply find themselves as redundant assests in the 4th industrial reveloution.

    We'll be grand for the foreseeable, we don't even have a implemented broadband plan.


  • #359
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Boggles wrote: »
    We'll be grand for the foreseeable, we don't even have a implemented broadband plan.

    It won't be the Public sector that pushes ahead with automation. In fact, the Public sector unions will be dead set against it if it threatens their cosy little number.

    It will be the Private sector that pushes ahead so a Government driven, national broadband plan is irrelevant to the automation question.


  • #360
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,496 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    national broadband plan is irrelevant to the automation question.

    No it isn't.

    And even now before Sara Connors starts shooting the shít out of robots. In places up and down the country using an ATM is hit and miss, as is doing the lotto or taking a debit card payment.


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  • #361
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Boggles wrote: »
    We'll be grand for the foreseeable, we don't even have a implemented broadband plan.
    Who says?
    What study says there won't be significant job losses for the unskilled? Please link to report.

    Perhaps this 'be grand like' feckless attitude is the source of ills of many projects going astray. Btw, you don't need massively fast broadband to shop on Amzn, any mobile phone or basic G3 hotspot will suffice.

    Again, studies such as PWC's automation study, show that many low-skilled migrants/workers (esp. young males) will simply find themselves as redundant assests (about 50% by 2030).

    They will be on the welfare heap, and sure won't be paying anyone's pension. If anything they'll have to resort to more criminality and the black market just to survive as the wealth divide gains further apart.


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