Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

notobtuse wrote: »

Yup, we’re actually better off with the deal nixed. Hopefully the people of Iran rise up and make a change after sanctions have a while to set in. IAEA can only comment on what Iran allowed them to see, and Iran refuses to allow inspectors into military facilities. The IAEA should have demanded access to military sites because if there were infractions to the deal, that’s where they would be. I think the IAEA didn’t want to see what was in the military facilities because they were afraid of what they might find.

And that cash Obama gave them should have gone to the families of victims of the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut and other terrorist attacks. The Supreme Court upheld that judgment. But we know Obama had a tendency to ignore law he didn’t like.

And Iran perhaps should negotiate with the Trump administration. Looks like he’ll be around for 8 years. Did anyone see the horrorshow that was the Democrats second debate? What a mess!. Losers, all of them! Looks like Hillary sure did, as she now seems to be running an unofficial campaign for president today.

The whole problem with all of this is the double standards. It is okay for America to have all types of WMD and to use them. Not okay for Iran even to attempt to make them!

Just as with the anti-Israel brigade, the anti Iran people exaggerate everything. Meanwhile, the elephant in the room that is Wahhabi Sunni extremism and their main sponsor Saudi Arabia is ignored.

You notice every single Islamic terrorist attack in Europe was done by Sunni extremists. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front, Al Shabaab, the Afghan and Pakistani Talibans and Boko Haram are all Sunni extremists who are enemies of Iran.

Ever since velvet revolutions in Eastern Europe transformed this region, America has been pushing for change in countries ruled by people it does not like. 21 years ago, this strategy was being formed: Iran was a long way down the list of America's enemies then of course.

Back in 1998, America's 2 main enemies were Saddam and Milosevic. Of course, the latter was chosen to initiate a series of wars that would remove 'nuisances' on the world stage (according to America) one by one. A series of airstrikes by America and allies in early 1999 tilted the anti-Milosevic side in the Serbian civil wars towards victory. The American bombing campaign fatally weakened Milosevic's army and in 2000, he was overthrown and Serbia became peaceful again.

Buoyed on by this success, many American politicians pushed for sequels. By 2001, it was clear another enemy was emerging: the Afghan Al Qaeda-controlled state. The rise of Bin Laden and his terrorism meant action against his Afghan client state needed to happen. But 9/11 sealed the fate of this regime and by December 2001, American help for the anti-Taliban/Al Qaeda forces in the Afghan civil war overthrew the regime. A copy of the Serbia strategy, the outcome was not the same: Afghanistan remained and remains a violent country with warlords in control more than a government.

By 2002, all eyes turned on Saddam. Saddam was for the past 12 years the main villain for the West. It was easy to link Saddam to 9/11 via conspiracy theories and have people then believe it. Saddam was set up afterall as this major mastermind of all anti-Western actions. After being dripfed anti-Saddam propaganda, people were lead then into supporting the 3rd major war with American involved in the space of 4 years in early 2003.

The Iraq war was a disaster and suddenly most people were questioning America's image as the 'good guy' keeping the world safe from tyrants and terrorists. 2004 saw the rise of the extremely violent Al Qaeda in Iraq aka ISIS/ISIL/DAESH/Islamic State with beheadings commonplace. Iraq became the current generation's Vietnam and like that war, the Iraq war has dragged on and taken different forms.

Iraq should have taught America lessons about these wars but it didn't. Between 2005-2007, Al Qaeda in Iraq were greatly weakened and for the 4 year period 2007-2011, Iraq's war seemed to be winding down. Then, the 'Arab Spring' came about starting off in Tunisia and spreading quickly to Egypt, Libya and Syria. America decided to side with the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi and another mess that is still going on commenced. Syria then was even worse and while America got involved in only a limited capacity, this civil war spread and reignited the Iraq war. ISIS re-emerged and between 2013 and now, a campaign of terrorism globally has destroyed many people's lives.

In early 2018, the Middle East looked in a rather better state than it had for years. ISIS were finally getting defeated and the amount of terrorism down. America's government then could just take care of its own issues? But no, in April that year John Bolton took over and has tried to undo a lot via his warmongering.

If Bolton gets his Iran war, this will inflame an area ranging from Israel to China. Iran is what blocked all the Sunni extremist killers from coming together but with a weakened Iran, the Jundullah could set up their homeland and align with the Taliban across the Afghan border and civil wars could spread to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Meanwhile in the West, ISIS could get their boost and re-emerge in Khuzestan and other Arab areas of Iran. War in Iraq and Syria would get a new boost as well. All the madness would be back and terrorists would be more united than ever.

Nothing positive has come out of American wars in the Middle East. Why then should a war with Iran be any different?

theguzman wrote: »

I can't see either Russia or China allowing Iran to be invaded and plundered like Iraq, if there is a military buildup in the middle east to launch a ground invasion then surely Iran will align with Russia or China or both to ensure America would risk MAD and nuclear destruction if they dare touch Iran. Putin should base a few Nukes in Iran to really throw the gauntlet down to the Americans. Putin defeated Israel, Saudi Arabia, ISIS and the US in their attempts to conquer Syria and did a good job on it too.

They made a show of them in Syria,after Putin told Obama at the G20 sidelines Russia wouldn't be get involved....4 days later Russia are in Syria bombing the sh*t out of the wests "moderate rebels(head choppers) it was hilarious the way they did it "we're here to fight ISIS who's with us?!?.....complete silence from the west ...then to produce pictures of all those convoys of oil tankers,that the supposed most advanced military in the world seemed to miss...clever as a fox That Putin

Gatling wrote: »

Say that again .

The US and coalition and Kurds defeated Isis not hizbolla or Iran they spent their time waiting to be killed by Israel in their thousands and not fighting Isis .

Enough of the b's

And again more nonsense from you,the US did the odd "token" bombing,the russians were flying hundreds at times sorties a day,you mean to tell me the supposed most advanced military in the world didn't see the dust clouds kicked up from all those Toyota pick ups racing across the desert to commit more atrocities? Completely delusional. Evenn Stevie wonder could tell you the Russians changed the tide in that war...and that place was a real mess

Gatling wrote: »

Which distopian alternative future movie is this .

The dystopian reality that was the 2003 Iraq war and its aftermath. The minute Saddam was overthrown, Iraq descended into a hellish place where Al Qaeda thrived. Expect the same with an Iran war.