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13-07-2019, 12:00   #451
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So disgusting you felt yourself compelled to repeat it?
As what?
A virtue signal as to how righteously offended you were?

I'm usually the 1st to make a shít joke, often regardless of colour, creed or ethnicity...
But FFS, don't share a bad joke and then hide behind how offensive it was, at least have the balls to share it and send by it.
I know it's early but i'm guessing alcohol was involved.
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Three of my favourite directors are Jewish:

Stephen Spielberg, Mel Brooks and Woody Allen.
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Indeed. I find it fascinating that they're associated with greed at all. The knights Templar created the first banking system and the Swiss modernised the banking system.

Jewish people have excelled in many walks of like, apart from banking, eg, medicine, academia, the arts.. However, if this is ever commented upon it is virtually always in a negative way -eg, the alleged Jewish "stranglehold" of Hollywood. It could be attributed to envy but it is just too pervasive and bizarre for that.


Of course, many Jews aren't successful and East European Jews were predominantly poor. There was another conspiracy for that - they were sub-human. The Nazis had no difficulty combining all prejudices in describing Jews as lazy, sub-human, rat like spreaders of disease and defective genes, and the the same time super-rich, cunning, international conspirators who controlled the world.


No cognitive dissonance there!

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The worst one I ever heard was from scumbag one night.

He said to me how many Jews can you fit in a VW Polo?


It depends on how big the ash tray is.


The most disgusting thing I've ever heard.
Mod note:ENOUGH OF THIS RUBBISH. Don't post in this thread again.

And that will be the least of anybody's problems if they try to continue like this.

Have some modicum of respect, please.

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Respect him because he's Jewish or because he converted to Catholicism?
Respect was probably the wrong word. I was trying to indicate that his Jewish background has made him more interesting to me, for the first time ever.
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Jewish people have excelled in many walks of like, apart from banking, eg, medicine, academia, the arts.. However, if this is ever commented upon it is virtually always in a negative way -eg, the alleged Jewish "stranglehold" of Hollywood. It could be attributed to envy but it is just too pervasive and bizarre for that.
This can be partially explained again by a certain snobbishness towards some pursuits among the largely Christian background population. The stage was seen as decidedly unbecoming of a gentleman and ladies were thought of a little more than prostitutes if they appeared on it. The new tech of film was also considered a bit dodgy and Non U in the early days. Before the "glamour" of Hollywood came along it was considered a bit grubby a field so tended to attract more folks who were outside the social pale looking to make their way, Jews in particular(when we consider that private clubs were almost exclusively for European Americans, better if Protestant and Jews were barred from membership). This slant was much more in play in the US, if we look at European cinema as a comparison the numbers of Jewish people involved is far less. If European cinema had taken over the world the "Jews run the movie business" would not be the meme it is.

The vast majority of this kinda thing is cultural and that changes over time. Go back a couple of thousand years and the poor man of Europe today, Greece would have contained the people with the most Nobel prizes and they regarded Jews, when they regarded them at all, as just another friendly enough quaint little middle eastern bunch under their influence after Alex took over the Persian empire. hell if you look at our own country and go back to the early Medieval in Europe it would have been a lot of Irish monks walking away with the Nobel prizes, yet fast forward a few centuries and you'd see bad English comedians entertaining the cheap seats with jokes about thick Paddies.

It seems to depend on what a culture values over time. If it values learning more you get learned people, if it values commerce more you get a strong middle and upper class, if it values strongmen or cutehoorism more, you end up with strongmen and cute hoors.


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Of course, many Jews aren't successful and East European Jews were predominantly poor. There was another conspiracy for that - they were sub-human. The Nazis had no difficulty combining all prejudices in describing Jews as lazy, sub-human, rat like spreaders of disease and defective genes, and the the same time super-rich, cunning, international conspirators who controlled the world.


No cognitive dissonance there!
Some Germans, even hardcore nazis and antisemites did at times question this. Mainly those soldiers on the Russian front. One guy I read noted it specifically that to him these people were dirt poor with nothing and reminded him of poorer versions of his own country relatives and hardly a threat and why were they going for these people and not after the "bankers" like was promised. More than a few noted that the rich had already fled years previously. As ever it's nearly always the poor who get it most in the neck when crap goes down. You saw that in many places in Eastern Europe and long before the nazis came long, where murderous pogroms were a annual sport and again it was nearly always the poor who were attacked, usually by their fellows in poverty.
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Some Germans, even hardcore nazis and antisemites did at times question this. Mainly those soldiers on the Russian front. One guy I read noted it specifically that to him these people were dirt poor with nothing and reminded him of poorer versions of his own country relatives and hardly a threat and why were they going for these people and not after the "bankers" like was promised. More than a few noted that the rich had already fled years previously. As ever it's nearly always the poor who get it most in the neck when crap goes down. You saw that in many places in Eastern Europe and long before the nazis came long, where murderous pogroms were a annual sport and again it was nearly always the poor who were attacked, usually by their fellows in poverty.

Nazi propaganda prepared the ground by the depiction of Jews as naturally subhuman in their "natural state" and that they existed as such in eastern Europe in the ghettos and Shtetls. According to propaganda they chose to live in such impoverished conditions but when the came to Germany (travelling "like a herd ot rats") they wore a "mask" to conceal this true nature - by this way they could gain power, money and influence. Allegedly "documentary" films (but largely staged or using manipulated footage) portrayed this , eg, "The Eternal Jew".


I'm sure some Germans didn't buy this at all, but the Nazi propaganda was influential. Of course, Jews were also portrayed as "bolsheviks", "international bankers" and "intellectuals" - all terms of abuse.
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Of course, many Jews aren't successful and East European Jews were predominantly poor. There was another conspiracy for that - they were sub-human. The Nazis had no difficulty combining all prejudices in describing Jews as lazy, sub-human, rat like spreaders of disease and defective genes, and the the same time super-rich, cunning, international conspirators who controlled the world.


No cognitive dissonance there!
They were excluded from most public schools and all public service jobs. They couldn't own land etc.
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They were excluded from most public schools and all public service jobs. They couldn't own land etc.
We had the Penal Laws that were like that
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We had the Penal Laws that were like that

Jews also had to wear special clothes so everyone knew they were jews. The yellow badge now famous from WW2 had actually been around before. Medieval Europe used the yellow star. In some places particularly Eastern Europe it was a hat.

It was used in The UK too. As late as 1858. Daniel O'Connell tried help them and fought for Jewish rights. He actually tried to stop what was called Jewish Disablities. One of which was to have to wear special clothing. It made people very vulnerable on the streets.



Few people seem to remember jews were made to wear clothing identifying them as jews in public long before ww2.



They also had to pay the jew tax fiscus Judaicus. They could only live in certain places and they couldn't rent land either.

They couldn't have certain trades.


They also had to take special oaths called.
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  • Byzantine Empire, 10th century: the Jew would wear a girdle of thorns around his loins, stand in water, and swear by "Barase Baraa" (Bere**** Bara), so that if he spoke untruth, he would be swallowed by the earth just like Dathan and Abiram in Numbers 16:1–27.
  • Arles (c. 1150): a wreath of thorns would be hung on the swearer's neck, others would grovel at his knees, and a thorn branch five ells in length would be pulled "between his loins" while he swore and called down upon himself all the curses of the Torah.
  • Swabia (13th century): the Jew would stand on the hide of a sow or a bloody lamb.
  • Silesia (1422): the Jew would stand on a three-legged stool and have to pay a fine each time he fell, finally losing his case if he fell four times.
  • Dortmund: the Jew would be fined each time he halted in repeating the oath.
  • Vrbové, Hungary (1517): the Jew would stand barefooted and swear with his face turned to the east, holding the Pentateuch in his hand.
  • Breslau (c. 1455): the Jew would stand bareheaded and pronounce the name of Yahweh.
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Before the "glamour" of Hollywood came along it was considered a bit grubby a field so tended to attract more folks who were outside the social pale looking to make their way, Jews in particular(when we consider that private clubs were almost exclusively for European Americans, better if Protestant and Jews were barred from membership). This slant was much more in play in the US, if we look at European cinema as a comparison the numbers of Jewish people involved is far less. If European cinema had taken over the world the "Jews run the movie business" would not be the meme it is.
'An Empire of Their Own' is a decent book on the subject.

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Some Germans, even hardcore nazis and antisemites did at times question this. Mainly those soldiers on the Russian front. One guy I read noted it specifically that to him these people were dirt poor with nothing and reminded him of poorer versions of his own country relatives and hardly a threat and why were they going for these people and not after the "bankers" like was promised. More than a few noted that the rich had already fled years previously. As ever it's nearly always the poor who get it most in the neck when crap goes down. You saw that in many places in Eastern Europe and long before the nazis came long, where murderous pogroms were a annual sport and again it was nearly always the poor who were attacked, usually by their fellows in poverty.
Nazi anti Semitic propaganda never focused on the poor, though, with regard to Jews. Nor did it focus on Mr and Mrs Cohen down the street, who everybody got along with. It was always the "them" factor, the "other" and largely contained to targeting the "big" Jew, like the bogeyman Bolshevik or the international banker.

The thing is, though, is that Nazi propaganda regarding Jews was pretty thin on the ground before 1935 and the vast majority of Germans wouldn't have come into contact with it. Their main propaganda targets were Socialists, Communists and Bolsheviks. Hitler was told to rein in the anti Jewish rhetoric, because it was losing the crowd, especially in urban areas. Areas where Germans actually knew some Jews and it didn't tally with the image that Hitler was trying to portray.

Before Hitler was made Chancellor by Hindenburg, the German Jewish population was around half a million and contained to cities, largely, and Goebbels noted that the urbanites were going to be harder to sway and he was correct. The Nazis never really had the same grip over the likes of Berlin as they did in the more rural areas of the country.

The anti Bolshevik rhetoric always gained far more traction with Germans than the anti Jewish angle, especially with the middle classes. The two were occasionally mixed, of course, and he Nazis weren't short of pointing out that leading Communists were Jewish and that Karl Marx was a Jew.

Once in power, and once Hitler abolished any dissenting voices in the Reichstag, the anti Jewish propaganda went up in the mid to late 30's, culminating in the likes of Kristallnacht. But by then the population of Jews in Germany was less than 200,000. The vast majority of Germans had never even seen a Jew and their negative perception was far easier to mould.

The ultimate irony, I suppose, is that up until the mid 30's, Germany was a good place for Jews to live, especially in comparison to other European countries and German Jews had assimilated very well into society.
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'An Empire of Their Own' i(.............)very well into society.



Indeed. If you asked somebody in 1900 what country would be involved in mass murder of Jews the answer - based on what went on - would be Russia. Poland had passed anti-jewish law as far back as 1920, preceding German restricitons by a decade at the least.
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Before the "glamour" of Hollywood came along it was considered a bit grubby a field so tended to attract more folks who were outside the social pale looking to make their way, Jews in particular(when we consider that private clubs were almost exclusively for European Americans, better if Protestant and Jews were barred from membership). This slant was much more in play in the US, if we look at European cinema as a comparison the numbers of Jewish people involved is far less. If European cinema had taken over the world the "Jews run the movie business" would not be the meme it is.
'An Empire of Their Own' is a decent book on the subject.

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Some Germans, even hardcore nazis and antisemites did at times question this. Mainly those soldiers on the Russian front. One guy I read noted it specifically that to him these people were dirt poor with nothing and reminded him of poorer versions of his own country relatives and hardly a threat and why were they going for these people and not after the "bankers" like was promised. More than a few noted that the rich had already fled years previously. As ever it's nearly always the poor who get it most in the neck when crap goes down. You saw that in many places in Eastern Europe and long before the nazis came long, where murderous pogroms were a annual sport and again it was nearly always the poor who were attacked, usually by their fellows in poverty.
Nazi anti Semitic propaganda never focused on the poor, though, with regard to Jews. Nor did it focus on Mr and Mrs Cohen down the street, who everybody got along with. It was always the "them" factor, the "other" and largely contained to targeting the "big" Jew, like the bogeyman Bolshevik or the international banker.

The thing is, though, is that Nazi propaganda regarding Jews was pretty thin on the ground before 1935 and the vast majority of Germans wouldn't have come into contact with it. Their main propaganda targets were Socialists, Communists and Bolsheviks. Hitler was told to rein in the anti Jewish rhetoric, because it was losing the crowd, especially in urban areas. Areas where Germans actually knew some Jews and it didn't tally with the image that Hitler was trying to portray.

Before Hitler was made Chancellor by Hindenburg, the German Jewish population was around half a million and contained to cities, largely, and Goebbels noted that the urbanites were going to be harder to sway and he was correct. The Nazis never really had the same grip over the likes of Berlin as they did in the more rural areas of the country.

The anti Bolshevik rhetoric always gained far more traction with Germans than the anti Jewish angle, especially with the middle classes. The two were occasionally mixed, of course, and he Nazis weren't short of pointing out that leading Communists were Jewish and that Karl Marx was a Jew.

Once in power, and once Hitler abolished any dissenting voices in the Reichstag, the anti Jewish propaganda went up in the mid to late 30's, culminating in the likes of Kristallnacht. But by then the population of Jews in Germany was less than 200,000. The vast majority of Germans had never even seen a Jew and their negative perception was far easier to mould.

The ultimate irony, I suppose, is that up until the mid 30's, Germany was a good place for Jews to live, especially in comparison to other European countries and German Jews had assimilated very well into society.

Very interesting.

And from whay I've read, modern Germany, a diverse and very tolerant society that criminalises the slighest whiff of Nazi symbolism, is now considered to be of the the best and safest European countries for Jews to live and thrive in, to such an extent that the population of the Jewish community in Germany is increasing rapidly.
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Very interesting.

And from whay I've read, modern Germany, a diverse and very tolerant society that criminalises the slighest whiff of Nazi symbolism, is now considered to be of the the best and safest European countries for Jews to live and thrive in, to such an extent that the population of the Jewish community in Germany is increasing rapidly.
I've heard different.
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