Everest

jasper100 · 23-05-2019 5:41pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You literally said that sometimes it’s the families who want the bodies removed from sight in this post:

I quoted the NY times. They said it, not me. :rolleyes:

I picked up on the part of the same passage where the New York Times said bodies are dumped by tourism officials.

That's what happens, are you trying to say this is untrue reporting from the new York times?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-05-2019 5:56pm

jasper100 wrote: »

I quoted the NY times. They said it, not me. :rolleyes:

I picked up on the part of the same passage where the New York Times said bodies are dumped by tourism officials.

That's what happens, are you trying to say this is untrue reporting from the new York times?

You said that sometimes the families want it and sometimes government officials. Then in later posts, you dropped the families bit and painted it as all just being down to the government keeping up appearances. The bit about families not wanting their loved ones to be macabre landmarks didn’t seem to fit with your general cynicism. It’s pretty disingenuous.

jasper100 · 23-05-2019 6:05pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You said that sometimes the families want it and sometimes government officials. Then in later posts, you dropped the families bit and painted it as all just being down to the government keeping up appearances. The bit about families not wanting their loved ones to be macabre landmarks didn’t seem to fit with your general cynicism. It’s pretty disingenuous.

Bottom line is the route is pretty similar each year, so they dump bodies out of sight to present a better product to tourists. I find that quite a cynical and disrespectful exercise, maybe if there was a body to be walked past every 20 metres these tourists would come to their senses sooner and decide its not worth it, turning back earlier.

The whole thing has become a cynical, dog eat dog, over commercialised racket.

banie01 · 23-05-2019 6:14pm

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

Final day for Hanna and his team coming up today (Nepal time) before the call is made.

Developments also re. the GoFundMe page in the coming days (after the call is made from the mountain).

Attempts will be made to refund all monies and if not possible, will be donated.

Thanks for this update.

pc7 · 23-05-2019 6:21pm

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

Final day for Hanna and his team coming up today (Nepal time) before the call is made.

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WrestleManiac do you know where the team are?

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-05-2019 6:27pm

I have never climbed an 8000+ peak, so am only guessing at the motivation of those who do it - but the very element of dicing with death is part of the drive.

Most sports or pursuits, are undertaken for the sheer fun of them - and risks are nothing but a negative. Horse riding, hang gliding, off piste skiing etc, are done for the inherent thrill of the core activity. The risk is accepted. Or put to the back of the mind. The risk, if it could be made zero, would be made so, and people engaging in them all the happier. But climbing Everest, or the other bad odds peaks, is partly driven by the very danger. The stories of grisly ends even adds to the fascination, not deters. While people can do what they wish with their lives, there is something very out of kilter with those attracted to the particular challenge of rolling a not very safe dice on whether you will come down a mountain alive.

jasper100 · 23-05-2019 6:33pm

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

Final day for Hanna and his team coming up today (Nepal time) before the call is made.

Developments also re. the GoFundMe page in the coming days (after the call is made from the mountain).

Attempts will be made to refund all monies and if not possible, will be donated.

If that is what happens with the money it is a very honourable thing to do.

OwlsZat · 23-05-2019 6:37pm

jasper100 wrote: »

If that is what happens with the money it is a very honourable thing to do.

If that's whats happening with the money then they should update the Just giving page and stop deleting comments on it.

Daisy03 · 23-05-2019 7:01pm

Photo of the queue to summit from yesterday posted by Nirmal Purja MBE. He is well worth a follow for his photos. @nimsdai on instagram.

josip · 23-05-2019 7:05pm

Daisy03 wrote: »

Photo of the queue to summit from yesterday posted by Nirmal Purja MBE. He is well worth a follow for his photos. @nimsdai on instagram.

That is so fcuked up.

J Mysterio · 23-05-2019 7:18pm

Tomw86 wrote: »

Your posts are excellent and very informative.

Do you know, was Scott Fisher alive for 31 hours in the death zone? What's the longest anyone has been in it and survived do you know?

I think Lincoln Hall probably has that record. Suffered a cerebral oedema near the summit and was 'un-saveable' and left there.

He was found conscious the next morning by some guys looking to summit. He was sat on a ridge of a 10,000ft drop with no hat, his jacket unzipped and no gloves. The climbers were dumbfounded. 'I imagine you are surprised to see me here' he said (or something to that effect).

His story is in several documentaries and films, the most famous of which is probably this:

Crusty Jocks · 23-05-2019 7:25pm

japanese lad few years ago miraculously manages to survive 2 days at 8000m+ by getting into a snow hole. loses all his fingers as a result, that was on his 6th or 7th failed summit attempt. goes back for another try a few years later, dies. loads of idiots up there. that is the biggest danger at the moment I'd say.

maxsmum · 23-05-2019 7:31pm

Daisy03 wrote: »

Photo of the queue to summit from yesterday posted by Nirmal Purja MBE. He is well worth a follow for his photos. @nimsdai on instagram.

That is outrageous. I can't fathom where they stand on the summit and safely turn to retreat. It looks like something from a nightmare where they all end up stepping over the edge. If I thought my husband was in that queue I'd have s heart attack. If he didn't have one first.

Daisy03 · 23-05-2019 7:37pm

It is crazy stuff! I'm not sure how big the area is at the summit but assuming everyone spends a few minutes there taking in the view and taking the obligatory photos that queue isn't moving anywhere fast!

screamer · 23-05-2019 7:40pm

Lemmings.....

Muahahaha · 23-05-2019 7:42pm

Crusty Jocks wrote: »

I've been to 6000m and my belay partner was a nurse who was fit as a fiddle and seriously and a pain in the hole to listen to because of safety concerns and procedure. On the summit push by 5500 meters she was out of her mallet. Blue lips, stumbling and incoherent, and I was tied to the b*tch. Lead wouldn't bring her down as it would've meant the group of eight had to give up. He agreed to let me switch with his partner. reckless stuff. Summit picture of us and more to the point her, is an advert for not pushing on. She's being held up by two and at some point she chucked her glove away and decided that a boot sock in her backpack was better. So theres a picture of us and shes barely standing with sock on her hand hanging down to her knee. I was done as well, there's a persistent headache and accompanying nausea that I just can't describe.

jesus thats gas, Id say it made for some photo. Its mad with altitude sickness that even the fittest of people can get hit with it. I remember being at the top of the Thrung La on the Annapurna circuit at about 4,700m, at the time I was overweight and not very fit at all. But there was not a bother on me at that altitude yet fitness freaks passing through were in bits from altitude sickness. It really is a lottery.

What mountain were ye climbing?

retro:electro · 23-05-2019 7:46pm

Daisy03 wrote: »

Photo of the queue to summit from yesterday posted by Nirmal Purja MBE. He is well worth a follow for his photos. @nimsdai on instagram.

That is genuinely my idea of hell.

maxsmum · 23-05-2019 7:50pm

retro:electro wrote: »

That is genuinely my idea of hell.

I was so revulsed at that image that I then asked myself 'are you just really risk averse and boring'?
Then I reminded myself of my husband and my son and my mortgage and realised nah I'm just not stupid.
Never mind if it was safe, 50k and 3 weeks away to realise a dream?
It's pure madness.

retro:electro · 23-05-2019 7:55pm

Maybe if they could fit a couch up there for me I’d be grand :pac:

bucketybuck · 23-05-2019 8:16pm

Crusty Jocks wrote: »

She's being held up by two and at some point she chucked her glove away and decided that a boot sock in her backpack was better. So theres a picture of us and shes barely standing with sock on her hand hanging down to her knee.

I was on a climb once, and the night after we summited and started back down again we were all sitting in a tent having dinner, and one of the lads was telling us about the pack of wild dogs he seen passing us on the trail.

Never said anything at the time because he knew it was bat**** crazy, there wasn't even grass there never mind any wildlife, but it seems that he absolutely, vividly could see dogs running around 20 feet away.

Altitude is not normal, not at all. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary myself, no visions or mirages. Not unless I imagined the toughest 10 hours I have ever experienced in my life.

Dante7 · 23-05-2019 8:20pm

Crusty Jocks wrote: »

Just as a by the way for anyone that reads it, the book Into Thin Air is a very good read but the events of what exactly happened as described by Krakauer are highly disputed by a lot of people that were there and he seriously sullied some of the most skilled climbers that were there, particularly Anatoli Boukreev.

Krakauer does a very good job describing what happens to the body at those altitudes and the general journey to the summit itself, but as for what exactly happened a lot of it is disputed. Krakauer is a highly skilled and accomplished mountaineer himself and was when he went but had no extreme high altitude experience so what he details in the book as to what happened at those heights can't be taken as fact. He even had to include an apology in later editions and edit as his first edition has errors as to what occurred.

For anyone thats interested in a book that describes an Everest summit bid just as a regular client this book by an Irish guy is excellent:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ascent-Into-Hell-Fergus-White/dp/1973422719/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=fergus+white&qid=1558626282&s=gateway&sr=8-1

He wasn't much more accomplished than Shay Lawless and just like him was relatively new to mountaineering, possibly less so but did have that vital extreme high altitude experience. I do know him, but the reviews will speak for themselves. And he makes pittance off the book by the way.

Bought that book earlier on your recommendation. Kindle version is only £1.99. I'm a few chapters in and it's excellent. Definitely recommended.

Ultimate Seduction · 23-05-2019 8:21pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

I was on a climb once, and the night after we summited and started back down again we were all sitting in a tent having dinner, and one of the lads was telling us about the pack of wild dogs he seen passing us on the trail.

Never said anything at the time because he knew it was bat**** crazy, there wasn't even grass there never mind any wildlife, but it seems that he absolutely, vividly could see dogs running around 20 feet away.

Altitude is not normal, not at all. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary myself, no visions or mirages. Not unless I imagined the toughest 10 hours I have ever experienced in my life.

It's easy, don't the Sherpas just carry you up and cook you Sunday roast while you relax..

jasper100 · 23-05-2019 8:38pm

They should have a priority lane for those who can afford it. $5K to skip the queue and a 5% improved survival rate.

jasper100 · 23-05-2019 8:40pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

It's easy, don't the Sherpas just carry you up and cook you Sunday roast while you relax..

Pretty much.

Our cooks are regarded as the best in the business, providing wholesome and appetising meals with an agreeable array of menus to suit all your food requirements. The meals you are served on the mountain are also of the highest standard and designed to sustain you for the rigours of the ascent. For those with specific needs - we can cater to special dietary requirements.

Kazzehh · 23-05-2019 9:04pm

For anyone looking for a little perspective on the motivation and thought processes of dedicated climbers - Free solo is starting on channel 4 now.

tuxy · 23-05-2019 9:06pm

Kazzehh wrote: »

For anyone looking for a little perspective on the motivation and thought processes of dedicated climbers - Free solo is starting on channel 4 now.

That's a very different type of climbing but is worth watching.

screamer · 23-05-2019 9:22pm

It’s sad to think this guy had a picture on his wall for most of his life, now he’ll be the picture on the wall for all of his kids lives.

Priorities people, priorities

Road-Hog · 23-05-2019 9:35pm

jasper100 wrote: »

Pretty much.

Our cooks are regarded as the best in the business, providing wholesome and appetising meals with an agreeable array of menus to suit all your food requirements. The meals you are served on the mountain are also of the highest standard and designed to sustain you for the rigours of the ascent. For those with specific needs - we can cater to special dietary requirements.

Would love to know where one takes a dump or a no. 1.....during the 12 hours or more ‘push for the summit’......does some poor Sherpa have the task of holding a bucket and wiping rears followed by transporting the vile collection back down the mountain.....there are hardly port a loos / chemical toilets along the route.....?

Effects · 23-05-2019 9:39pm

arctictree wrote: »

Fascinating stuff. Why can't you just use a full breathing apparatus like divers use, then you could breath normal air all the way to the top?

screamer · 23-05-2019 9:39pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Would love to know where one takes a dump or a no. 1.....during the 12 hours or more ‘push for the summit’......does some poor Sherpa have the task of holding a bucket and wiping rears followed by transporting the vile collection back down the mountain.....there are hardly port a loos / chemical toilets along the route.....?

Did I read a Sherpa has to bring it down in a barrel, course it’d be frozen solid, which reminds me of the explorer many years ago, who dug his way out of an avalanche with, you guessed it his frozen poop... Freuchen that was his name

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