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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    This is off-topic but I didn’t think it was worthy of a thread: Priests were responsible for reporting marriages to the registrar, right? I found a marriage that I think has butchered surnames and the only thing giving me pause is that the civil record has the same errors. But the priest would be the source of both records, correct?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes, he would.

    But it is off topic.

    This thread is already enormous and daunting so please just keep it for handwriting.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    Anyone care to decipher William Molloy's exact DoB on the last line of this sheet

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02701/1994687.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    1884 March four (at) Kilcoony


  • Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    ath262 wrote: »
    1884 March four (at) Kilcloony

    Excellent thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    think the location is actually Kilcoony, without the 2nd l


  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Can anyone read what follows the sponsors' names in this baptism record? It is the sixth baptism down on the left page. 18 March 1849. Kinnegad parish, Diocese of Meath. Patrick, son of Thomas Grehan and Catherine Cunningham. Sponsors Michael Fox and Mary Grehan--and then ???

    The name was actually Graham and they lived in Clonard, Co Meath, tho the head church of the parish was in Kinnegad, Co Westmeath. There is a possibility that the father was COI, in case that helps. Here's the link--

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635234#page/94/mode/1up


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I would say it's the priest's initials. There seem to be another few instances of it, including the entry directly above.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    It appears multiple times on the page - I think it's the priest's name?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    :D

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  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Thank you both. I did see it elsewhere on the page but it's an odd way for a priest to write his name. But it's the only logical explanation. So he is 'illegible McA
    '. Thanks again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    Can anybody have a go at working out the Christian name of eldest child in the Dean family (Female age 20). Nobody has been able to ascertain where she went after 1851 but having her correct name might help

    Dean Family 1851 Canadian Census.png


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    Here is more of the page from the Census which may help

    Canadian Census 1851.png


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Can you post a better copy of the image?
    The writing in that one is too small.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    I hope this is better, it's not an easy one, guesses may help.
    Thanks

    Dean Family 1851 Canadian Census (2).png


  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Me too.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I've since found it on Ancestry and I see your problem.

    When I enlarge it to the size I wanted it becomes quite blurry.

    Even trying to guess what it might be is really hard.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    There are a number of sites where you can search Irish names beginning with a particular letter. Here's a guess--Daireann. Not great but a start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    Thanks Hermy & VirginiaB, it's not at all easy. I'd guess that the person filling out the form did not know the name and was unclear what to write down.
    Descendants of the Deans (or Deanes) in North America have put the name in as Damionaer in their trees but I haven't been able to find that name anywhere by searching etc.

    I wonder about the first letter, it looks like a D ok but is unlike the other D's which are quite consistent (as in Dean in the 1st attachment). On the other hand there is no letter elsewhere that looks like this one.

    The maiden name of the mother of the family Mary was Knightly and I have a lot of DNA matches to her descendants over there and have been trying for a few years to tie her in with my ancestors in Kerry so every little bit of information like that girls name might add to the knowledge.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Comparing it with other names on the same page the first letter looks to me like an A or an N though I can't make that work.

    What is the name after Thomas? It looks like Patrick but I'm not certain.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭SophieLockhart


    Hermy wrote: »
    What is the name after Thomas? It looks like Patrick but I'm not certain.

    That name is Catherine I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭SophieLockhart


    By narrowing the letters of the mystery name, I think I can get 'Hannorah' out of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    That's a good call above - I also could see the Ann at the beginning and was wondering was it Annemarie Deane - The other names are very typical of the time and the scribe seems to run a lot of n's, s's and m's into an unlegible line - so perhaps it may be a matter of checking names of the time off against it and seeing if they fit. It's a difficult one


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    Thanks everyone, I'll have a search for Hannorah etc.

    Their other son Eugene Owen got married the year before 1850 so was not in the household at the date of that census. I haven't looked for him in 1851 yet but here is his family in the 1861 census.

    Eugene Owen Dean 1861 Canadian Census.png

    I think the dates in the 1851 census are a bit out eg I think Thomas was born in 1830.

    Yes Catherine 5th down.
    Full list is
    John Dean age 50, Mary Dean (nee Knightly) age 40
    then the illegible girl age 20, Thomas age 18, Catherine age 14, James age 12,
    Michael age 10, Mary age 8 and Jane age 6.

    Thanks again


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    By narrowing the letters of the mystery name, I think I can get 'Hannorah' out of it.
    Yes - that's what I thought.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    In this image from the Tithe Applotment books I'm trying to decipher the first two entries for Castlewilder, the third section down on the right hand page.

    I've a good idea about the first one but the second is a puzzle!

    Thanks.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Something Wilder Esq a minor

    Reps of ?? J? sdale Esq.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Huawei Gallagher


    Hermy wrote: »
    In this image from the Tithe Applotment books I'm trying to decipher the first two entries for Castlewilder, the third section down on the right hand page.

    Wilder Mat Castlewilder Kilglass Longford 1834 (My opinion "Mat Wilder Esquire-a Minor")
    Isdale Fras Castlewilder Kilglass Longford 1834 (My opinion "Rep. of Fras Isdale Esquire")

    Search for Castlewilder http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    "Mat Wilder Esquire-a Minor" is what I had myself.

    Isdale isn't a surname I have come across before but it certainly seems to be what's written there.
    And I agree it's probably Representative of" or something similar.
    However, I'm still unsure about the forename but I might find something locally that will confirm this.

    Thanks again.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22 riverina


    Hi, can anyone help with understanding what the abbreviation of GC/GL/CL(?) on this baptism page means? Specifically looking at the baptism of Ellen Dooley. Thanks


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