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  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭MaccaTacca


    Csalem wrote: »
    This week we are going back to 1998 and MA 15 at Bray Station (although the destination says Bray Depot Station). The bus is operating a service on route 145. Back then, the 145 was a local service around Bray. Starting in the mid-1990s it served the Palermo estate on the northern side of the town, and Ballywaltrim and Kilmacanogue on the southern side. It was one of those Dublin Bus routes that operated in Wicklow and not Dublin. Also, being a local service, it operated under the Localink brand which had been introduced in the late 1980s by Dublin Bus. Like most brands created by Dublin Bus, it was later phased out. However there was a brief private operated service in the Ballinteer area called Locolink and the current national rural bus service operates as Local Link.
    The 145 underwent a massive transformation in 2004 when it became a radial route from Kilmacanogoue to Dublin city centre via Bray and the Stillorgan QBC. For all intents and purposes it became a new route. Later it was revised slightly to run between Heuston Station and Ballywaltrim. It has become one of the busier routes in the city and for a period was a regular home to tri-axle double-deckers.
    MA 15 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in 1993 and withdrawn around 2000/2001.
    The railway station in Bray opened in 1854. It became the southern terminus for the DART in 1984.
    20/01/1998

    50860293332_0e7bf68455_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (263) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    Is Palermo not techncially in Co Dublin? Meaning that part of the route did actually enter Dublin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    MaccaTacca wrote: »
    Is Palermo not techncially in Co Dublin? Meaning that part of the route did actually enter Dublin?

    Not the part of the estate the bus served:
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palermo+House,+Connawood+Dr,+Old+Connawood,+Bray,+Co.+Dublin/@53.2065164,-6.1208274,16.76z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4867a875a29f25f5:0x3011a8418c1f3933!8m2!3d53.2086234!4d-6.123476

    An argument could be made about the Dublin Road part of the route as one side of the road is County Dublin, but there are no bus stops along the small part in County Dublin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Csalem wrote: »
    Not the part of the estate the bus served:
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palermo+House,+Connawood+Dr,+Old+Connawood,+Bray,+Co.+Dublin/@53.2065164,-6.1208274,16.76z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4867a875a29f25f5:0x3011a8418c1f3933!8m2!3d53.2086234!4d-6.123476

    An argument could be made about the Dublin Road part of the route as one side of the road is County Dublin, but there are no bus stops along the small part in County Dublin.

    As well as that, all of what we now call co Wicklow, was co Dublin until 1606, when the boundary was set along the dargle river. It's only in the last two centuries that little bray has gradually become co Wicklow.
    The last boundary extension of bray and co
    Wicklow was in 1993.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we go back thirty-three years to 1988 and D 785 on O'Connell Street. The bus is in an all-over ad for Denny food that is celebrating Dublin's 1000th birthday. It received this late in 1987, or early 1988, and was the first Dublin Bus all over ad. Though not the first all over ad bus in Dublin, but all other previous examples had been in CIE days. In 1989 the ad was modified with the messaging changed to mark 160 years of Denny. In late 1990 the bus was repainted back into standard Dublin Bus livery.
    D 785 was delivered new to CIE in 1976 and operated out of Donnybrook Garage. Around 1991 it moved to Ringsend Garage where it went on to be the last D Class to operate there. Its last trip in service was on route 15B on the 22nd April 1995.
    Route 11 started in 1939 running between Ballymun Road and Clonskea. Over the years it was extended to Wadelai Park on the northside and Kilmacud on the southside. Under Network Direct in 2011 the southern terminus was relocated to Sandyford Business District.
    The bus is stopped outside the BHS department store, though nowadays it is home to Pennys. Easons in the background is still there in 2021.
    29/01/1988

    50884403678_f980def87e_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (264) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    You missed the KFC that is where SuperMacs is now on the corner of Abbey St.

    Before it was a BHS it was the site of the Capitol Metropole Cinemas/Theatre and on pulling out of Ireland it became a Mothercare... then Penneys.

    BHS briefly had a store in the Jervis Centre that also became a Mothercare!


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Jervis one was a Heatons operated franchise rather than the UK firm directly. Really didn't last long


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    L1011 wrote: »
    The Jervis one was a Heatons operated franchise rather than the UK firm directly. Really didn't last long

    I was gonna get into the franchisee aspects of it, but didn't think anyone would have cared. I should have known. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back twenty-two years to KC 41 on Aston Quay, dressed for route 210. This route had one of the most complicated histories within the bus network of Dublin, and there is a good chance I have gotten some of it wrong. The route started in 1989 as a Localink route in the Clondalkin area. It had two western termini - one in Neilstown and one in Bawnogue. Its eastern terminus was at the Coombe Hospital, and this was the closest it got to the City Centre. In the mid-1990s the route was then extended to Kevin Street, with Neilstown becoming the other terminus and services ran via Bawnogue. Around 1997 the bus was finally extended to Aston Quay. But, in March 1999 it was cut back to Dolphin's Barn and the western terminus became Liffey Valley Shopping Centre. In 2008 it got a major change when the route became Liffey Valley to The Square (Tallaght), via Bawnogue and Clondalkin. The route was finally removed from the network in April 2012 during Network Direct changes. The 76 and 76A mostly replaced the 210 in the process.
    KC 41 was delivered new to CIE in February 1983. It spent most of its career in Clontarf Garage. It spent its last few years in Conyngham Road Garage. All Bombardiers were withdrawn by Dublin Bus by January 2001.
    Through the window can be seen the red autofare box. This was introduced in 1996 in order to reduce the number of attacks on bus drivers. Passengers placed their fare into the slot on the box. The driver had no access to the money and no change was given. The exact fare had to be given in coins only. It was rolled out to every bus in the fleet by mid-1999.
    05/02/1999

    50908952586_9733c040cf_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (265) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    No comment on the ITG (or was it Esat????) phone in the foreground?

    Tut tut

    ---

    I look forward to the 206 in the near future cropping up. What a bizarre and pointless route that was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Tge 210 was a mad aul route. As a kid I lived near the terminus in Neilstown, well, while that terminus was called Neilstown it wasn't actually Neilstown, it was the Neilstown Road, Harelawn would have been more accurate. Mystical route though, very unreliable in its early days


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  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    It was crap in its final incarnation too, I assume on purpose to drive down patronage so it could be cancelled without issue. Taking the right off the Belgard Rd/ going by the old Belgard Inn and going the long way by Cookstown to The Square. Frequent no show or very late also, which was criminal on such a short route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Csalem wrote: »
    Its eastern terminus was at the Coombe Hospital, and this was the closest it got to the City Centre. In the mid-1990s the route was then extended to Kevin Street, with Neilstown becoming the other terminus and services ran via Bawnogue. Around 1997 the bus was finally extended to Aston Quay. But, in March 1999 it was cut back to Dolphin's Barn and the western terminus became Liffey Valley Shopping Centre

    To add to the confusion :)

    Even though the timetable claimed to go as far as the Coombe Hospital it never actually got that far for it had no designated turning point. Instead it laid over at a purpose built spot across from Dolphins Barn Fire Station where it was expected to do a U-turn; this was fun whenever an ambulance or tender was called out! A bay was laid for the bus to wait at, which gave a little more room for it to turn around.

    At busy times it was somewhat safer to go to turn around at Kevin Street, which is how the route came to be extended. I have an idea that it may have laid over across from Bull Alley; this would have meant missing out on Kevin Street itself before the logical idea of using Aston Quay came into play.

    Also, I believe the route terminated at the 24/123 Terminus on the Crumlin Road in the early days, swinging around behind the hospital a la the 22A.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    I think the 210 has one of the most convulated histories of any route in Dublin. What stands out from me is that, apart from all the terminus changes, it went from an east - west route to a north - south route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭rx8


    The KC bus also had the more powerful 4-stroke engine, as compared to the 2-stroke one that powered the double deck equivalent, the KD.

    They were a grand bus to drive, lot's of power and quite fast, though nothing in comparison to the AD bus pictured behind it. They were animals altogether!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    During its early days, the 210 diverted off the Long Mile Road to run by Superquinn on Walkinstown Road and also operated via Corkagh Park on Sundays.

    I have seen pictures of the 210 outside the Coombe Hospital. It turned around on a piece of wasteground there where cars sometimes parked, but that was when it was minibus operated. When it was converted to standard single decker, then it was extended to Kevin Street as an official terminus.

    The turning point at Dolphin's Barn was only used after it had been cut back from the city centre.

    The 210 was re-routed to Tallaght after it was partially replaced by the 151. The residents of Bawnogue were happy to use the new 210, giving them a link to Tallaght which they had not seen since the 74A was cancelled. Over the past few years I have heard residents groups there trying to lobby politicians to re-instate a link to Tallaght, but nothing has come of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭testarossa40


    Fond memories of the 210 getting me from Bawnogue to DIT Kevin St in the 90's... Seem to remember Vanhools being placed on the route at peak times at least and silently willing them on as they struggled for what seemed like ages to get up Woodford Hill!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    The 210 was re-routed to Tallaght after it was partially replaced by the 151. The residents of Bawnogue were happy to use the new 210, giving them a link to Tallaght which they had not seen since the 74A was cancelled. Over the past few years I have heard residents groups there trying to lobby politicians to re-instate a link to Tallaght, but nothing has come of it.

    Wasn't there plans for route 166 Liffey Valley to Tallaght during Network Direct


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    GT89 wrote: »
    Wasn't there plans for route 166 Liffey Valley to Tallaght during Network Direct

    Yea but wasn't going through bawnogue


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we go back twenty-five years to 1992 and RH 132 on Marlborough Street. The bus is dressed for route 20A. The was the first of two derivatives to route 20. The 20 started in 1939 and connected Donnycarney with Bulfin Road. The 20A started in 1948 and ran from Donnycarney North (Killester Avenue) to the city centre via Malahide Road and Fairview. The 20B started in 1980 and ran from Beaumont (Ardlea Road) to ythe city centre. This latter route outlived the other two routes. The 20A started to be merged into the 20B around 1997. Departures were reduced on the 20A and certain departures on the 20B operated via the 20A route. In June 1999 the 20A was finally withdrawn when the 42A was rerouted along Collins Avenue to replace the 20A. The 20A outlasted the 20 by 9 years, and the 20B kept going until it was absorbed into the 14 in 2011. In 1970 the 20A gained one notable footnote in the timetable when one departure in the morning ran from Donnycarney to North Wall for dock workers. There was however no return working.
    RH 132 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in 1992. It was one of twenty-eight Olympians delivered that year. In 1997 it was painted into CitySwift livery, though did not receive the same interior as the new CitySwift Olympians. In 2005 it was withdrawn from the regular fleet and joined the driving school. The following year in 2006 it was sold to Dualway Coaches and became an open-top tour bus. However the bus was destroyed in a fire in the Dualway garage in 2011.
    11/02/1996

    50933263212_5485108db8_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (266) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back thirty-nine years to 1982 and the last days of an era. CIE's RA 126 is seen on Inns Quay with a service on route 24 from Marino to Heuston Bridge. This bus was delivered new to CIE in 1962. This rear-entry, half cab double-decker bus was one of the last to enter service in Ireland (The final type was the R900s between 1964 and 1965). However, the RAs were the final type to be in service. RA 126 was withdrawn, and scrapped, shortly after this picture was taken. The final day of operation for the RAs was in April 1982. RA 126 initially entered service in Summerhill Garage and moved to Conyngham Road in 1967. Behind RA 126 is the most modern type of bus in Dublin at the time, a KD Bombardier.
    Route 24 started in 1938 running between Marino and Parkgate Street initially, though it was quickly extended to Bulfin Road. In the 1970s it was cut back to Sean Heuston Bridge. In 1990 it was extended to Drimnagh but the route was completely replaced by City Imp route 123 in 1994.
    Finally it is worth noting the bus is heading westbound on the north quays of the River Liffey. In August 1982 the direction of travel on the north and south quays were reversed and it has remained that way to this day in 2021. 18/02/1982

    50956029748_f859b2a46b_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (267) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭McCrack


    Is that traffic going towards the phoenix park on the north quays


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    McCrack wrote: »
    Is that traffic going towards the phoenix park on the north quays

    Yes, they swapped it out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    McCrack wrote: »
    Is that traffic going towards the phoenix park on the north quays

    The direction of travel was reversed in 1982 with the opening of the (Sherwin?) Bridge beside king's bridge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back thirty-nine years to another demonstrator bus in Dublin. SC 1 / 405 UZO is seen crossing O'Connell Bridge on its way to Tallaght. This bus had a Marshall body bus on a Scania chassis and spent a number of months on test with CIE around 1982. By this time CIE had received around 100 of the KD Bombardier double deckers, which would eventually end with KD 366. The demonstrator is also painted in a similar two-tone green livery that the KDs were delivered in. Following its time with CIE, this Scania demonstrator joined the fleet of AA Motor Services in Scotland. It was withdrawn in the mid-1990s.
    The bus is displaying route 2 but more likely it was on route 65A. The bus regularly worked a service on route 2 into Dublin city centre from Sandymount and then did the 09:00 departure on the 65A to Embankment in Tallaght. The 65A was removed from the network in 1994.
    On a final note, the truck beside the bus is also a CIE vehicle, this one from the freight division.
    19/02/1982

    50980087377_7d521e339f_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (268) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    I never knew DB/DCS ever operated any Scanias. It's also funny that many people seem to comment on the fact the new NTA liveries have very little branding despite older CIE liveries like this one having even more subtle branding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭whoami1


    Another example of the reversed quays traffic flow - the Fiat 132(?) behind the cyclist has its left indicator on to turn left and go east along the south quays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    whoami1 wrote: »
    Another example of the reversed quays traffic flow - the Fiat 132(?) behind the cyclist has its left indicator on to turn left and go east along the south quays.

    I think it is a 131.
    The 132 was bulkier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Definitely a 131 with the square lamps. You'd be well pushed to see a 132 in Ireland. Plus the 132 had round headlamps.

    Re the indicator, he could well be just going around the bus and heading straight on at D'Olier anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Think the 132 sold fairly well as well. Apart from the vast bus knowledge these old pics do give us a glimpse of the streets and the other motors doing the rounds. That grill at the front of the Scania looks a bit pre production to the untrained eye.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Think the 132 sold fairly well as well. Apart from the vast bus knowledge these old pics do give us a glimpse of the streets and the other motors doing the rounds. That grill at the front of the Scania looks a bit pre production to the untrained eye.

    It is a demonstrator to be fair


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