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  • #32
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    How are all the Log Cabin banjos all over the country selling these cabins to live in. ? Seems silly to allow them to sell them knowing they are not up to living spec regulations.

    You can sell most things even if they are not legally allowed to be used by a person who buys it. A prime example is the electric scooters. Illegal to use on public property but it can be used on private land. So they sell them with no issues.

    Very similar here you can sell them and what people do with them as they please because it is the owners responsibility.

    Tons of attic conversions around the country with people sleeping in them but they are not legally habitable rooms


  • #33
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Don'tregulations stop all that?

    Too complex?

    If we made them less complex we could build them?

    Like diesel and petrol engines of today, only an auto giant like VW can afford to make diesel engines because of emission regualtions , small manufacturers have no chance

    Yip, we could get rid of building regulations, planning and all that nonsense and you could knock together your own little shanty out of pallets wherever you liked.


  • #34
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Good point

    Does seem mad

    I know of a few cabins around and they are " home offices " with no planning

    Home office's and garden rooms are just sheds. Sheds are exempt from a lot of regulations. Once you live in it then it's a house, and houses have a lot of regulations to make them safe and of good quality.

    You can absolutely build a timber house that meets regs, but you won't build it cheaper than block because that's what most of our builders specialise in.


  • #35
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Graham wrote: »
    Yip, we could get rid of building regulations, planning and all that nonsense and you could knock together your own little shanty out of pallets wherever you liked.

    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772


  • #36
    oceanman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭oceanman


    what about mobile homes? people live in them sometimes all year around on sites, they cant be up to building regs..


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  • #37
    Caranica
    Registered Users Posts: 9,998 ✭✭✭Caranica


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772

    Holiday home? Pretty sure you can't live year round in Eagan's Field


  • #38
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    How are all the Log Cabin banjos all over the country selling these cabins to live in. ? Seems silly to allow them to sell them knowing they are not up to living spec regulations.

    They are selling them as garden sheds. Nothing more, nothing less.


  • #39
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772

    If text in that ad stating
    “CASH BUYERS ONLY”

    Which basically means it’s illegal and complied with no standards and no mortgage can be obtained on it. Great example.


  • #40
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,861 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    alie wrote:
    Have been ill in hospital so have not been online for a while but thanks

    This debate has been running for years here on boards
    Spanish Eyes wrote:
    This kind of building should be encouraged, not discouraged. As long as the spec is good and conforms to building regs I don't see the issue at all, given that people need housing and due to Covid cannot afford mad rents now.

    The problem is that they don't conform with building regulations. By the time they brought one up to regulations it would be cheaper or as cheap to build it in block.


  • #41
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772


    youre pointing to a 48 sq m (517 sq ft) structure for sale at €235,000 as an example of cheap construction ;):D:D:D:D

    thats €454 per sq ft :)

    and you only get a 10 year warrant for that money


    someone has huge windows LOL


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  • #42
    alie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭alie


    Graham wrote: »
    It's asked here regularly alie.

    Have a read through the previous 1,646 posts although I'll warn you in advance, most are variations on the answers above.

    Thanks so much, im kind of put off now.:confused:


  • #43
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772
    "CASH BUYERS ONLY", because a bank won't give you a mortgage on it.
    "BER: Exempt", as I'm guessing it's not a house?
    alie wrote: »
    Hi folks , thinking of building a log cabin or concrete shed in back garden
    A concrete shed may be an option for you. But build it for dual use; a house for him now, a man shed when he moves out :pac: Do you have to go though your house to access your back garden?


  • #44
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭pearcider


    alie wrote: »
    Thanks so much, im kind of put off now.:confused:

    Two of my friends have done it in normal estates in Dublin. No issues at all. No planning necessary. Check with your neighbours if overlooked but chances are they won’t care. One of the log cabins my mate lives in is there for 12 years.

    Never mind the boot lickers on boards. They will insist you ask the “government” for permission to fart.

    Best of luck with it.


  • #45
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Gumbo wrote: »
    They are selling them as garden sheds. Nothing more, nothing less.


    That's not true
    Shows plans of each cabin
    2 bedroom
    3 bedroom
    bathroom
    Kitchen


  • #46
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,861 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Some are doing it :)

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/tir-na-nog-egans-field-donabate-dublin/4441772




    See the bit where it says "cash buyers only"?


    Do you suppose it's "cash buyers only" because banks wont give a mortgage for a garden shed?


  • #47
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    That's not true
    Shows plans of each cabin
    2 bedroom
    3 bedroom
    bathroom
    Kitchen

    No problem.
    Show me one that complies and the company are prepared to stand over.

    Otherwise they are sheds/garden rooms/home offices. (All the same planning class).


  • #48
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    oceanman wrote: »
    what about mobile homes? people live in them sometimes all year around on sites, they cant be up to building regs..

    You need planning for them as soon as you connect them to services, 6 month exemption otherwise.


  • #49
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    pearcider wrote: »
    Two of my friends have done it in normal estates in Dublin. No issues at all. No planning necessary. Check with your neighbours if overlooked but chances are they won’t care. One of the log cabins my mate lives in is there for 12 years.

    Never mind the boot lickers on boards. They will insist you ask the “government” for permission to fart.

    Best of luck with it.

    You do need planning. If someone complains you will be forced to take it down. If you try to sell you will need to take it down etc.


  • #50
    C3PO
    Registered Users Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭C3PO


    pearcider wrote: »
    No planning necessary.

    That's just bad advice - Planning is absolutely required! The fact that your friends have ignored the requirement is neither here nor there!


  • #51
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://grannyflats.ie/

    Shirley one of these would be better than a log cabin . IF it can be done without planning.


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  • #52
    Gumbo
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    https://grannyflats.ie/

    Shirley one of these would be better than a log cabin . IF it can be done without planning.

    Borderline illegal advertising there.
    If I was buying from them I’d screen shot their websites and promises of what is and is not allowed.

    From their site :
    Planning permission is generally not required for a stand alone unit of 25m2. We can also help you apply for a Section 5 Declaration form. This notifies the relevant Council of your plans. Confirmation from Council normally takes less then 4 weeks.

    Then the next paragraph states that it’s a home office. So exploiting the shed exemptions. The bold text is key here. The next paragraph clarified what they class as a “stand alone” unit. Home office / studio. These are indeed exempt under the shed exemptions.

    Remember the onus is on the home owner to comply with the regulations. The second these are planted in your rear garden, the council can come in and initiate enforcement proceedings against you, the home owner while this company are tidying up and walking out your front door. The council will chase you, not them.

    I would call them and grill them on the certification with every building regulation as I can can 100% confirm to you now, they can’t and won’t, unless they are certifying them as a shed which does not need to meet the said regulations ;)
    In order for these Granny flats to be planning exempt we build these, as home extensions, with a few other conditions. We build them in a clever way and each build has its own separate door for access. If at any stage in the long-term future you need to reconfigure this space as part of the property, perhaps for resale you have now the space to do so, potentially increasing your homes value. Note: All sizes are external sizes quoted unless otherwise stated.

    Some more key info here.
    They quote €48k plus vat for a 25 Sq. M extension which is about €2,200 per square meter. Exactly the same price or more than a standard build extension.


  • #53
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    But can one build a granny flat without planning, I've seen so many on the side of house. Does the location matter?

    If I was extending a house it would go on the side
    From this...
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    To this...

    dbda87850335db43d566b8a3d95996d8.jpg

    Can you build a granny flat on side ?


  • #54
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    0c059c2fea67b9b5981651fb2e7c81f8--l-shaped-house-old-irish.jpgBetter example of what I mean, Match up the both sides with an extension


  • #55
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    But can one build a granny flat without planning, I've seen so many on the side of house. Does the location matter?

    Can you build a granny flat on side ?

    You can build a 40sqm extension without planning, there are some restrictions on aspect, distance from boundaries, reducing garden space etc.


  • #56
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    But can one build a granny flat without planning, I've seen so many on the side of house. Does the location matter?

    If I was extending a house it would go on the side
    From this...
    ?width=630&version=4004980

    To this...

    dbda87850335db43d566b8a3d95996d8.jpg

    Can you build a granny flat on side ?
    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    0c059c2fea67b9b5981651fb2e7c81f8--l-shaped-house-old-irish.jpgBetter example of what I mean, Match up the both sides with an extension

    Both of those examples, no. Because they are 2 storey extensions to the side.

    The exemptions are to the rear.


  • #57
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Both of those examples, no. Because they are 2 storey extensions to the side.

    The exemptions are to the rear.


    So to match up a house on both side ones would need planning. Even a single storey ?


  • #58
    alie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭alie


    pearcider wrote: »
    Two of my friends have done it in normal estates in Dublin. No issues at all. No planning necessary. Check with your neighbours if overlooked but chances are they won’t care. One of the log cabins my mate lives in is there for 12 years.

    Never mind the boot lickers on boards. They will insist you ask the “government” for permission to fart.

    Best of luck with it.

    Thank you so much, my neighbour has a concrete one in his garden with electricity, he uses it as a music studio. my other neighbour has a massive metal shed with a sliding door that would wake the dead, neither had planning permission.


  • #59
    alie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭alie


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You need planning for them as soon as you connect them to services, 6 month exemption otherwise.

    So if no sevices then no planning, so i could build one and just have it as extra space per say


  • #60
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    alie wrote: »
    Thank you so much, my neighbour has a concrete one in his garden with electricity, he uses it as a music studio. my other neighbour has a massive metal shed with a sliding door that would wake the dead, neither had planning permission.

    You can build a shed/music room, usually without planning.

    You can't build a habitable dwelling.


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  • #61
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,221 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    alie wrote: »
    So if no sevices then no planning, so i could build one and just have it as extra space per say

    And if one of your neighbours complains to the council that you have somebody living in your ‘extra space’, can you afford to have it removed and the plot restored as was?


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