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Slane Girl discussion?

  • 19-08-2013 6:24am
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    Ok, 2 threads closed now. This mess is everywhere and is asking some serious questions in society that need to be addressed, from the act itself to the general online reaction equally. Obviously you guys don't want it anywhere near Boards, but it is kind of frustrating when you unexpectedly stay up all of a Sunday night to engage in this discussion and then next thing the thread is gone as if it never existed, without a word. Could that not have been done by page 5 when there was already an abundance of vitriol posted, hence giving everyone a night's sleep?

    Yes the girl needs the least exposure possible, but I'm afraid that ship is already miles out at sea. If anything, maybe if the family or those who care about the girl stumbled upon the thread, they might take some comfort in some of the 'non-abuse' posts, of which they were many, versus the multitude of hate against this girl brewing around the internet.

    I dunno, it just seems a bit laid back to delete full threads without at least attempting to moderate them first. It's your house, your rules, but I still wanted to say this.
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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 24,954 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I suspect eveything that Dav said at the time of the KPMG girl mess, applies equally to this one, so I'll just point to Dav's statement at the time:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82524640#post82524640


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ Eason Nutritious Muddy


    As I said in the closing post of the first thread, I see no reason for After Hours to add to the sh*t storm that this girl will face. We will not be part of any sort of online bullying campaign.


  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭guttenberg


    I've not seen the threads but came across it elsewhere. There is two people engaged in the vulgar act, why is one more susceptible to ridicule than the other? online bullying is a big thing at the minute over in Britain because of a few deaths, no need for Boards to risk getting implicated in anything like this.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,247 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    stankratz wrote: »
    Ok, 2 threads closed now. This mess is everywhere and is asking some serious questions in society that need to be addressed, from the act itself to the general online reaction equally. Obviously you guys don't want it anywhere near Boards, but it is kind of frustrating when you unexpectedly stay up all of a Sunday night to engage in this discussion and then next thing the thread is gone as if it never existed, without a word. Could that not have been done by page 5 when there was already an abundance of vitriol posted, hence giving everyone a night's sleep?

    Just because you were up all night doesn't mean that there were mods up all night to remove the thread. It was deleted as soon as there was someone around to do so.
    stankratz wrote: »
    I dunno, it just seems a bit laid back to delete full threads without at least attempting to moderate them first. It's your house, your rules, but I still wanted to say this.

    I've had a look at the threads and the amount of work that would be required to moderate them would be ridiculous. Mods are volunteers, we don't expect them to spend half the night editing posts when it's clear that the thread should have been removed anyway.

    Regardless of the number of non-abusive and supportive posts on the thread, unfortunately a lot of people seem to think that they have an automatic right to abuse people from the comfort of their own homes. We don't, and never will allow this, despite how much people may protest about their right to do so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    There is such thing called moderation, I think threads could have been cleaned up; Even though I did not post in the 25+ page thread about this "event" I read almost every comments and aside from a few trolls there were good points and the discussions were courteous by a large majority. There is no doubt that link to pics/pages on FB had no place there but the debate on the viral phenomenon was interesting and useful imo. Anyway, what is done is done.


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  • Thanks for the attempts at a clarification guys, however...
    As I said in the closing post of the first thread, I see no reason for After Hours to add to the sh*t storm that this girl will face. We will not be part of any sort of online bullying campaign.
    Zaph wrote: »
    Regardless of the number of non-abusive and supportive posts on the thread, unfortunately a lot of people seem to think that they have an automatic right to abuse people from the comfort of their own homes. We don't, and never will allow this, despite how much people may protest about their right to do so.

    ...the KPMG feedback thread I just read (which Spear directed me to above) and numerous other posts I read on this site daily contradict the bolded sentences.* And honestly, the thread was going from some time around midnight, a mod wouldn't have had to have been up all night to close it if it had been done on Page 1-3 when it should have been. You mean to say there wasn't one AH mod online after midnight? Surely if there's so much at stake litigation-wise in running a site like this in a country like this, is there not at least one person watching the ship all the times? No...wait...before you put the palm of your hand through your face, I know it is not possible for one mod let alone 10 to moderate the galaxy that is Boards.ie, but someone to keep an eye on the main page during the quiet hours on the off-chance that shít like this springs up?

    Anyway, the thread depressed the fúck out of me, but I had never experienced the 'now you see it, now you don't' approach with a thread before (I must have been living under a rock when the KPMG thing originally did the rounds) so had to ask what was the story.

    BTW, I know mods are volunteers with more than likely full-time jobs of their own, and not all-present and omnipotent, but surely in applying to be a mod you are aware and accepting of the fact that there will be sometimes a bit more work involved than 'Hey, tone it down' etc. I certainly don't have the time, patience or desire to clean-up a thread, but then again I didn't volunteer to mod After Hours.

    That's me done, bar responding to any replies. Hopefully the world will forget about slanegirl today but I doubt it.


    *Obviously I'm not laying the blame for this with the mods, it is clear that the guidelines handed down to them are shady at best when it comes to this area.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    The internet's a sick fucked-up little place at times.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭CastingCouch


    The internet's a sick fucked-up little place at times.

    Society equally :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,137 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    stankratz wrote: »
    You mean to say there wasn't one AH mod online after midnight?

    After midnight? On a Sunday night? For an unpaid volunteer position? When most people have work on a Monday morning?

    Yes, we do mean to say there wasn't one AH mod online after midnight, and it's wholly unreasonable to expect that there would be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Shít.
    What did i miss:confused:
    What did slane girl do? I know threads have been closed and whatnot, but don't leave me hanging, would a brief nameless synopsis be allowed perhaps? - whatever it was, it definitely wouldn't be worth going to slane for, fecking hell hole of a venue!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Shít.
    What did i miss:confused:
    What did slane girl do? I know threads have been closed and whatnot, but don't leave me hanging,

    Could you not just google it given that discussion is forbidden?

    It's not rocket science.

    www.google.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    As I said in the closing post of the first thread, I see no reason for After Hours to add to the sh*t storm that this girl will face. We will not be part of any sort of online bullying campaign.

    You can stick your head in the sand all you want. You can close threads you don't like all you want. However, stating you closed it because it was part of an online bullying campaign is being disingenuous to say the least. It is also a slur on those who contributed to the discussion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Sorry for upsetting you mugmugs. I feel bad now!
    Any how, you may as well try to unbunch your panties there, a slightly less abrasive poster than yourself has filled me in via pm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Sorry for upsetting you mugmugs. I feel bad now!
    Any how, you may as well try to unbunch your panties there, a slightly less abrasive poster than yourself has filled me in via pm.

    I am not upset. Merely stating the blatantly obvious. Glad you got your fix :)




  • Penn wrote: »
    After midnight? On a Sunday night? For an unpaid volunteer position? When most people have work on a Monday morning?

    Yes, we do mean to say there wasn't one AH mod online after midnight, and it's wholly unreasonable to expect that there would be.

    Right so they were all washed and tucked in their beds for 11. Incidentally I imagine a fair few of the posters including myself had work this morning and still have it now. It is not "wholly unreasonable" in the slightest to expect mods to be online when several of the posters in the thread during the night were mods themselves. During the quiet hours, I see posts made by mods all the time. And I wasn't asking the questions you responded to in a 'it's a disgrace joe' way, it was genuine surprise considering there seems to be a litigation panic every now and again with Boards. In that case, maybe it wouldn't be a write-off of an idea for Boards to pay somebody to do the night-watch as it could end up saving a lot more money in the long run.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    stankratz wrote: »
    Right so they were all washed and tucked in their beds for 11. Incidentally I imagine a fair few of the posters including myself had work this morning and still have it now. It is not "wholly unreasonable" in the slightest to expect mods to be online when ...........................................................

    You're not really getting the whole volunteer thing, are you?


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Can't disagree with the thread being deleted. Can understand why contributors would be annoyed but given the potential legal repercussions (and not to mention the morality of it), it's a minefield best avoided.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    btard wrote: »
    You can stick your head in the sand all you want. You can close threads you don't like all you want. However, stating you closed it because it was part of an online bullying campaign is being disingenuous to say the least. It is also a slur on those who contributed to the discussion.

    I think you're confusing boards.ie with /b/.


  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭peadar76


    with what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    btard wrote: »
    You can stick your head in the sand all you want. You can close threads you don't like all you want. However, stating you closed it because it was part of an online bullying campaign is being disingenuous to say the least. It is also a slur on those who contributed to the discussion.

    I think you're missing the point - Boards doesn't want to give this topic any more airtime than it has already had. It doesn't matter what is the nature of the discussion, they don't want to draw any more attention to the girl.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    MugMugs wrote: »
    I am not upset. Merely stating the blatantly obvious. Glad you got your fix :)

    Cheers:D
    Still not worth the walk in and out of slane though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    stankratz wrote: »
    Right so they were all washed and tucked in their beds for 11. Incidentally I imagine a fair few of the posters including myself had work this morning and still have it now. It is not "wholly unreasonable" in the slightest to expect mods to be online when several of the posters in the thread during the night were mods themselves. During the quiet hours, I see posts made by mods all the time. And I wasn't asking the questions you responded to in a 'it's a disgrace joe' way, it was genuine surprise considering there seems to be a litigation panic every now and again with Boards. In that case, maybe it wouldn't be a write-off of an idea for Boards to pay somebody to do the night-watch as it could end up saving a lot more money in the long run.

    We are often active at night time. We just weren't last night. If something really bad were to happen and local mods are not around, Cmods and Admin react.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,920 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    What's to be gained from having a thread about her?

    Not much I suspect




  • MugMugs wrote: »
    You're not really getting the whole volunteer thing, are you?

    You didn't really read my full post did you before you jumped at the chance to brown nose? Highly convenient that you cut my sentence off right where it suited you.

    The very same thing crap movies do upon release to get a reaction. i.e. "This movie is very far from awesome, it is the anti-awesome" -The Independent. Movie Studio then puts "...Awesome - The Independent" on the DVD cover.


  • Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭ Maren Wrong Giraffe


    What good is a discussion going to do? Boards don't want to talk about it anymore and rightly so. I find it very strange that people feel the need to discuss something like that in more detail it is what it is. Girl was extremely intoxicated and done something she'll regret the rest of her life I'd imagine. Just leave it at that?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    stankratz wrote: »
    In that case, maybe it wouldn't be a write-off of an idea for Boards to pay somebody to do the night-watch as it could end up saving a lot more money in the long run.
    I am incredulous that someone is complaining their free service doesn't have volunteers guaranteed online 24/7. Perhaps you could subscribe rather than using the free service, and then maybe there might be cash to splash on people staying up to monitor forums?

    Also, if you post in a thread that is an obvious trainwreck in the middle of the night then surely you have to accept the risk that it's going to be pulled. It doesn't matter what moderators are in there posting as long as they're not AH mods or CMods/Admins. They can't do anything except report.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,261 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    So you want Boards to pay people to monitor threads late at night, in order to prevent you from wasting time posting on threads that could end up being subsequently locked/deleted?




  • What good is a discussion going to do? Boards don't want to talk about it anymore and rightly so. I find it very strange that people feel the need to discuss something like that in more detail it is what it is. Girl was extremely intoxicated and done something she'll regret the rest of her life I'd imagine. Just leave it at that?

    i just want to say for the record that the thread was already 20 pages deep by the time I got in there. What drew me to it was the fact that there was an active witch hunt and bile being spewed about a possible 16 year old who just made a massive mistake. The fact that the general internet reaction seemed to be to capitalise on this poor girls mistake and see her into an early grave was something that affected me deeply and at that point I had no choice but to join the debate/scourging at the pillar.

    It's hard to 'just leave it at that' sometimes, especially when 'that' is still very much a developing incident and your blood is boiling at seeing the joy a majority are taking in what looks to be a young person's life falling to pieces.

    Oh, and I haven't even seen the image(s) and will never.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,840 ✭✭✭Dav


    Can I just point out that we have no assurances that the parties involved are over 18 and if it turns out that they're not, every person who has shared the image(s?) will now be eligible for prosecution for the distribution of child pornography.

    I'll just let that sink in for a minute.

    The person who took the pic will also be eligible for prosecution for creating and distributing child pornography.

    I'm really glad that discussion about this has been snipped - we don't need to add to what is already going to be a mess.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    Here's the cached version of the thread for anyone who missed the discussion;
    <snip>


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