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  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Shazamm


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Strumms;lost a reply to the boards gremlin.

    Google Irish Patients Association. There is a time limit re all these things and it ha sbeen exceeded

    also go to the HSE site and read re making a complaint?

    The system DOES work .. pm me if you need,

    has the irish patients association been any help to you?

    I have not even gotten a reply from them and they seem to be another advocy group who do sweet..^..all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Shazamm wrote: »
    has the irish patients association been any help to you?

    I have not even gotten a reply from them and they seem to be another advocy group who do sweet..^..all.

    They are policy folk. Not folk who involve with patients unless they fits with that. And not responding seems to be the norm. Maybe others here have different experiences?

    My TD has now taken an interest in my ongoing issue. I mentioned the name of the local complaints officer I was having trouble with... Immediate reply.

    @ never prescribes anything stronger than Panadol anyways.


    It is in real terms near blackmail . No patient care in it.

    And the way he changes tack when I quote rules is amazing ie the facts change as I catch out a serious inaccuracy.

    I have no respect left. I have had excellent doctors. Deeply grateful to them. Caring, skilled folk .

    But now? Well I am 77 and maybe this is as far as I am meant to go. Living mostly abed and losing mobility as else the pain is too much. Life is sweet but this is too much

    Trying a slightly different tack today but they are all on holiday until Jan 6th


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    If it's any consolation OP, I developed symptoms 7 years ago and I am no further forward towards getting a diagnosis despite my symptoms getting considerably worse. It took years to get a GP to take me seriously in the first place, and now it's just waiting list after waiting list.

    I was discharged from the rheumy without ever being told, after one triage appointment with a physio. I waited well over a year for that appointment, and the OT told me I will definitely need to be seen there again. I rang them nearly a year later to see what was going on and they then informed me I had been discharged and if I wanted to go back, I'd have to go back on the waiting list. I'm going to be honest here and say I cried during that phone call.

    I'm waiting several months now on an MRI and a neurologist appointment. I'd be lucky to get either in the next year.

    I was referred to the ENT as I've had a problem with my nose since I was a child. It wasn't massively serious but I do have a nasal drip and get frequent enough infections, which can cause a lot of pain. I went in with the full awareness that they were limited in what they could do, but the reason my GP referred me there in the first place was because my mental and physical health at the time were locked in a downwards spiral with each other and if one small thing could be fixed, it might break that spiral. Again, it took over a year to get an appointment, and there were nearly a year between appointments. My 3rd appointment, I left utterly humiliated and furious as the doctor told me I just didn't know what a cold was, and accused me of being a hypochondriac. Now, I'm the type of person who works in a high risk environment, that doesn't tolerate softness. I've broken bones and continued on with my day so a hypochondriac I am definitely not.

    I waiting again over a year for a dietitian appointment through the HSE for IBS, with the intent of starting a low FODMAP diet. I finally got one at the start of this year. I was told to eat more fibre and we would review in a month. A month came and went, and no sign. About 6/7 months later, I finally got a second appointment via phone, and was told I was eating too much fibre (despite eating what they told me to) and to cut back, and also cut out onion and garlic. Also, that dietitian told me during that appointment that they didn't actually do FODMAP diets. They told me they would ring me back in 6 weeks, and refer me onto another dietitian who did specialise in FODMAP diets if their new suggestion didn't work. Well, it has been 5 months since then and still no 3rd appointment, and I have no way of contacting them as the phone line used before isn't answered.

    So yeah, I'm in my mid 20s and I can barely move some days. There have been morning where I had to slowly drag myself up the hallway because I couldn't stand. My hands don't function properly, my hips are starting to go, I am seriously fatigued most days, my memory and cognitive function are declining terrifyingly. I used to do sport 5 evenings a week and now some days just getting to the bathroom is a chore. I used to be considered gifted, and was in advanced adult creative writing courses as a young teen, and now I have days where sentence structure doesn't exist, I forget what I'm saying half way through saying it, and I make a ridiculous amount of typos. Some days I could be looking right at the thing I'm searching for and it wouldn't register in my brain that I'm seeing it.
    Yet, because of the incompetence of the HSE and GPs before them in so many ways, I am left undiagnosed and untreated. Whilst I understand they're swamped busy even during normal times, there have been several cases where it has just been obviously oversights and lack of care that has been dragging this entire experience out. I don't know when I'll ever get answers, or if I'll ever gets answers. I just have to hope whatever it is isn't terminal or causing too much of a reduced life expectancy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭thegills


    Strumms wrote:
    Still it’s grossly inefficient as regards my situation.... patients shouldn’t really have to chase up appointments ... appointments should be assigned as and when needed.


    Maybe in the real world. But when dealing with Government agencies the customer always needs to chase up. Its sad but true. If they said they would call you ask by when. If they don't call you chase them down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    If it's any consolation OP, I developed symptoms 7 years ago and I am no further forward towards getting a diagnosis despite my symptoms getting considerably worse. It took years to get a GP to take me seriously in the first place, and now it's just waiting list after waiting list.

    I was discharged from the rheumy without ever being told, after one triage appointment with a physio. I waited well over a year for that appointment, and the OT told me I will definitely need to be seen there again. I rang them nearly a year later to see what was going on and they then informed me I had been discharged and if I wanted to go back, I'd have to go back on the waiting list. I'm going to be honest here and say I cried during that phone call.

    I'm waiting several months now on an MRI and a neurologist appointment. I'd be lucky to get either in the next year.

    I was referred to the ENT as I've had a problem with my nose since I was a child. It wasn't massively serious but I do have a nasal drip and get frequent enough infections, which can cause a lot of pain. I went in with the full awareness that they were limited in what they could do, but the reason my GP referred me there in the first place was because my mental and physical health at the time were locked in a downwards spiral with each other and if one small thing could be fixed, it might break that spiral. Again, it took over a year to get an appointment, and there were nearly a year between appointments. My 3rd appointment, I left utterly humiliated and furious as the doctor told me I just didn't know what a cold was, and accused me of being a hypochondriac. Now, I'm the type of person who works in a high risk environment, that doesn't tolerate softness. I've broken bones and continued on with my day so a hypochondriac I am definitely not.

    I waiting again over a year for a dietitian appointment through the HSE for IBS, with the intent of starting a low FODMAP diet. I finally got one at the start of this year. I was told to eat more fibre and we would review in a month. A month came and went, and no sign. About 6/7 months later, I finally got a second appointment via phone, and was told I was eating too much fibre (despite eating what they told me to) and to cut back, and also cut out onion and garlic. Also, that dietitian told me during that appointment that they didn't actually do FODMAP diets. They told me they would ring me back in 6 weeks, and refer me onto another dietitian who did specialise in FODMAP diets if their new suggestion didn't work. Well, it has been 5 months since then and still no 3rd appointment, and I have no way of contacting them as the phone line used before isn't answered.

    So yeah, I'm in my mid 20s and I can barely move some days. There have been morning where I had to slowly drag myself up the hallway because I couldn't stand. My hands don't function properly, my hips are starting to go, I am seriously fatigued most days, my memory and cognitive function are declining terrifyingly. I used to do sport 5 evenings a week and now some days just getting to the bathroom is a chore. I used to be considered gifted, and was in advanced adult creative writing courses as a young teen, and now I have days where sentence structure doesn't exist, I forget what I'm saying half way through saying it, and I make a ridiculous amount of typos. Some days I could be looking right at the thing I'm searching for and it wouldn't register in my brain that I'm seeing it.
    Yet, because of the incompetence of the HSE and GPs before them in so many ways, I am left undiagnosed and untreated. Whilst I understand they're swamped busy even during normal times, there have been several cases where it has just been obviously oversights and lack of care that has been dragging this entire experience out. I don't know when I'll ever get answers, or if I'll ever gets answers. I just have to hope whatever it is isn't terminal or causing too much of a reduced life expectancy.

    Appalling saga; much the same runaround as I had in the UK for 30 years except that theu opted for nervous/mental illness which was like leprosy.

    Then I hit the brick wall of sneering and mockery re M.E.

    I had one excellent GP who believed me and let me make the pace and tell him what I needed. Four years of calm and support. He retired as I moved, Now I am in the situation of having made a justified serious complaint and am hitting a brick wall.. They need to remember and respect that we are ill rather than taking advantage of our age and weakness.
    As long as I can find where to buy pain relief that is me and drs finished and I can make a Living Will to that effect.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Odd. I decided to call the GP I am still registered with to try for one last prescription as he is about to retire, The number says " Not recognised" . Tried the pharmacy and they have that number for him...

    I have not contacted him since the massive chaos back in October. The HSE officials were trying to stop me contacting him then. Backing me into a corner?

    Remote places can get very strange. VERY strange


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    thegills wrote: »
    Maybe in the real world. But when dealing with Government agencies the customer always needs to chase up. Its sad but true. If they said they would call you ask by when. If they don't call you chase them down.

    Which ,when "the customer" is old and/or ill?

    My only recourse now is to fin online codeine who will deliver albeit illegally to Ireland. And then no more drs!

    I thought NHS was bad but they never ever left patients without care. or without meds. Always made sure of that. HSE is a whole different ball game


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Seems the dr has kind of vanished just before he was about to retire.

    So no more medical card.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Seems the dr has kind of vanished just before he was about to retire.

    So no more medical card.

    I thought over 70s automatically qualify for medical card once income is below a set level?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    gozunda wrote: »
    I thought over 70s automatically qualify for medical card once income is below a set level?

    We do but there has to be a named doctor on the card. And not planning to register as no one near now.

    West mayo is very short of GPs

    Need to find out re meds though off the card.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Odd. I decided to call the GP I am still registered with to try for one last prescription as he is about to retire, The number says " Not recognised" . Tried the pharmacy and they have that number for him...

    I have not contacted him since the massive chaos back in October. The HSE officials were trying to stop me contacting him then. Backing me into a corner?

    Remote places can get very strange. VERY strange


    I'm getting that error with a lot of numbers where I am including my own line which is dead. Might be related to the storm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭fineso.mom


    No identifying information for the sake of privacy of all involved


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Graces, it's a little hard to follow what has happened. Is it the case that the doctor close to you they want you to register with, after the retirement of your old doctor, is one which you do not want to attend as you do not feel he/she will prescribe the appropriate pain medication?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Graces, it's a little hard to follow what has happened. Is it the case that the doctor close to you they want you to register with, after the retirement of your old doctor, is one which you do not want to attend as you do not feel he/she will prescribe the appropriate pain medication?

    No. I had to make a formal complaint and that precludes that dr treating me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sunbeam wrote: »
    I'm getting that error with a lot of numbers where I am including my own line which is dead. Might be related to the storm.

    ah yes. Some other numbers were odd too. Thank you


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Just had a long email from HSE

    Apparently the person they appointed to deal with my challenge of the complaint is only there for this month ( trainee? work experience? ) and is leaving now. She assures me she is passing it on..

    She assures someone will cover and then tells me to register with another ; as I had already tried.,

    Left hand meet right hand... ?

    I had hoped for peace until after 12th night.

    Next email gets denied access LOUDLY

    And I will seek meds online and leave any health "care"
    it costs too much in human terms

    Stay safe and well and strong...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    PS all sorted. Christmas angel arrived..from outside HSE and suddenly all is well. I have a GP again and my meds are restored.

    Persistence is everything . It really is. Just letting them go on is not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Graces7 wrote: »
    PS all sorted. Christmas angel arrived..from outside HSE and suddenly all is well. I have a GP again and my meds are restored.

    Persistence is everything . It really is. Just letting them go on is not.
    Good news amid the gloom is ever welcome, onwards and upwards


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Good news amid the gloom is ever welcome, onwards and upwards

    Thank you. And yes. " Thus far and no further" time came. Swift and sudden. I have my usual month's supply of pain meds that arrived / were delivered yesterday so will rest and heal now in the peace out here and start slowly working in regaining my mobility.

    Many thanks for support here

    Oh and my new medical card is en route! HAPPY CHRISTMAS!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Brilliant news-I'm so glad you got this sorted. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sunbeam wrote: »
    Brilliant news-I'm so glad you got this sorted. :)

    Thank you but I can take no credit. Some outside agency involved. The speed was bewildering . And no I am not asking. Angels come in many guises. I have simply stood away now. It was a giving without seeking anything in return. My thanks are shown in my picking up my life again.

    Without that I would still be where I was at Christmas.

    And I am only now realising how much the constant, unrelieved pain was dragging me down, and slowly starting to feel more like myself . Slowly coming alive.

    A great start to the New Year..


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    And then like "Jaws"... left hand started it all up again. A long, legalese Recorded delivery letter going back to early December stuff.

    With all the old stuff that the right hand had dealt with. Thankfully I had the ratification in writing .

    So I went higher up again in HSE to outrank them and also "advised" them that if they ever dared invade my privacy again there would be legal consequences. As there will. There really will.

    All that came then was an affirmation that all the patients from my former GP were now in the care of my new GP..

    Which I had told THEM and that that had been settled months ago as all the people involved knew fine well . The letter being signed by one of the " aggressors" (that was the gap in my own awareness!)

    It should not be like this. I know the laws; all except one that I was unaware of.

    I also reproached them for putting a 77 year old chronically ill and disabled person through this; months with no meds etc. .

    The only agency of any support in cases like this is Citizens Info. They are excellent.

    Meanwhile I am all but bedbound with a serious relapse and other CFS/ME complications. And rarely posting. Just a long lasting reaction.

    But I can access pain meds, and the surgery person I deal with is unfailingly courteous.
    And my shiny new medical card..

    Which is why folk fight shy of complaining. But I have no regrets on that score. The alternative was unthinkable .

    Stay safe out there everyone. Please, stay safe. Spring is not too far away. Life will renew.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    They are stuffed with useless overpaid jobsworths hell bent on lasting in their 'job for life's until they collect their pension.

    They don't care how inefficient they are. They have no reason to up their game. No reason to improve their work performance. Their inefficiency is accepted, complained about definitely, but nothing will ever be done about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    They are stuffed with useless overpaid jobsworths hell bent on lasting in their 'job for life's until they collect their pension.

    They don't care how inefficient they are. They have no reason to up their game. No reason to improve their work performance. Their inefficiency is accepted, complained about definitely, but nothing will ever be done about it.

    And this is why there are so many court cases of legal actions against them which cost us literally millions.

    There were elements in all this in this case that were deeper than this too as this kind of inefficiency is so easy to manipulate. And relies on US being ignorant of the laws and rules and/or being scared to make waves. I saw that at every stage of this. It relied on my being ignorant! And ill. And I was; both.

    And I have a lot of experience of acting as advocate for folk who have fallen foul of authority etc in court.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    You are not alone in this Graces7. They are an utter disgrace.

    I put in a long and detailed complaint to the HSE several months ago about several staff members and was fobbed off with a couple of sentences stating that they decided they had done no wrong. I was told that that one doctor was entitled to their opinion whether I agreed with it or not. Their opinion wasn't even a clinical one-just a series of nasty statements about me. None of the points I raised were addressed in any shape or form. They decided to reclassify all of it as clinical complaint so it would be dealt with outside of the Your Service Your Say process and I cannot escalate it any further-even though most of it was in relation to communications issues. A large section was never mentioned with at all.

    In my letter to them I mentioned an earlier complaint from several years ago that had not been adequately addressed and asked that my current one be sent to a different complaints officer. They bizarrely decided I wanted to reopen the old complaint, which I had never asked for. They then proceeded to inform me that they had investigated the actions of the people I was now complaining about in relation to that earlier complaint and had received unspecified 'feedback' that they had acted appropriately towards me. Those people were not even in the service at the time and the earlier complaint was not about them! Honestly I feel like I'm caught somewhere between a bad Monty Python sketch and a Kafkaesque nightmare.

    I'm not going to go into details about the actual complaint, but suffice to say it felt like dealing with a bunch of teenage bullies.

    My GP has also retired, but thankfully the other one in the practice is more supportive than I had expected. I very sorry you are so unwell, but am glad you have been assigned a different GP and got your medical card and your meds. That is the most important thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sunbeam wrote: »
    You are not alone in this Graces7. They are an utter disgrace.

    I put in a long and detailed complaint to the HSE several months ago about several staff members and was fobbed off with a couple of sentences stating that they decided they had done no wrong. I was told that that one doctor was entitled to their opinion whether I agreed with it or not. Their opinion wasn't even a clinical one-just a series of nasty statements about me. None of the points I raised were addressed in any shape or form. They decided to reclassify all of it as clinical complaint so it would be dealt with outside of the Your Service Your Say process and I cannot escalate it any further-even though most of it was in relation to communications issues. A large section was never mentioned with at all.

    In my letter to them I mentioned an earlier complaint from several years ago that had not been adequately addressed and asked that my current one be sent to a different complaints officer. They bizarrely decided I wanted to reopen the old complaint, which I had never asked for. They then proceeded to inform me that they had investigated the actions of the people I was now complaining about in relation to that earlier complaint and had received unspecified 'feedback' that they had acted appropriately towards me. Those people were not even in the service at the time and the earlier complaint was not about them! Honestly I feel like I'm caught somewhere between a bad Monty Python sketch and a Kafkaesque nightmare.

    I'm not going to go into details about the actual complaint, but suffice to say it felt like dealing with a bunch of teenage bullies.

    My GP has also retired, but thankfully the other one in the practice is more supportive than I had expected. I very sorry you are so unwell, but am glad you have been assigned a different GP and got your medical card and your meds. That is the most important thing.

    (((HUGS))) They tried all those techniques with me. Same old, same old. But I know the rules better than they do and caught them out on a few serious lies.

    And the dr at the centre of it lied to the Medical Council and HSE. Provable lies. I have no idea who sent me the letter notifying me that when my then GP retired, end of December, all his patients were assigned to my new GP! It may have been a clerical error sending it! But it gave me the leverage I needed.

    Had it not been for that? I would still have been deep in the mire, Signed too ( not personally) by the person who was giving me such angst too... one of those GOTCHA moments! Their inefficiency ...

    So they all knew all along. I still have no idea what they were really after and need not to know. There is something going on behind it all. The drs behaviour was outrageous and bizarre. We are so desperately short of GPs hereabouts that maybe this plays a part?

    In the UK I had issues with a GP; but the Health Board were excellent there ( NHS) and always made sure I had access to medical care and meds. The head ones even came to visit me at home.

    All I have ever asked from my GP, given that CFS/ME does not compute with them, is pain meds and emergency cover. I had an excellent GP the years I was in Kerry on those terms

    Here in the end I "sacked" THEM not vice versa. Called a halt. As in never darken my letterbox again.

    So we walk on. And we have the better of them in the ways that matter. I can cope with the CFS/ME as I have done for years. Not sure if it is known here but in the UK I was misdiagnosed and wrongly treated for over 30 years as being mentally ill before they finally got it right. I lost my career and everything I had. So now I question and decide my life etc myself. What years I have now are precious and of great price and they are not going to cost me any more.

    THANK YOU!


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,764 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Before I had my medical ‘misadventure’, I was, always hearing about this ‘world class health system’, ‘the best in the world’... ‘world leaders in...’ ahem....the Nazies would have fûcking bitten your hand off for such a propaganda machine... the absolute toxic malevolence in reality of people operating with ‘consultant’ or ‘manager’ in their job description as relates to healthcare in this country.. abysmal...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Strumms wrote: »
    Before I had my medical ‘misadventure’, I was, always hearing about this ‘world class health system’, ‘the best in the world’... ‘world leaders in...’ ahem....the Nazies would have fûcking bitten your hand off for such a propaganda machine... the absolute toxic malevolence in reality of people operating with ‘consultant’ or ‘manager’ in their job description as relates to healthcare in this country.. abysmal...

    I would not go as far as that; far from it

    HOWEVER I am again left with no meds and a query re my GP access/availability... Unbelievable and totally horrific.
    ]
    Emerges that last month they did not realise where I lived etc . Long story and I am ill abed still with no pain meds...Again... Spending half the day calling folk and emailing back and forth.

    It is a power thing at GP level. Territorial disputes. Already settled at HSE level weeks ago. Only no one informed the GP involved..who is not happy.

    They are not... clever enough to act as you suggest. Baby Hitlers without the … malevolence or intelligence.

    DId you ever have a TV show, called Tw3 here? "That was the week that was" ? Esther Rantzen and crew. It was brilliant. One feature was the " Jobsworth Award", and HSE reminds me of that.

    I was thinking re the NHS where there was more accountability re patients. I would never have been left with no meds etc there. Or maybe it has changed since I left?

    Yet another court award today. re a missed cervical cancer diagnosis.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Very sorry to hear about this Graces. No advice, just wishing you the best. :(


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