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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • #2252
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    could the last part be 'Meeting House' ?


  • #2253
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I agree but can't read what it says after Scots church.

    "A convert from about 19 years back, then baptised in Scots church...."

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  • #2254
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    .


  • #2255
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    ath262 wrote: »
    could the last part be 'Meeting House' ?

    Could be, would bit above "House" be priest's initials?

    Coloured image on Ancestry any better?


  • #2256
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Oh I think you've got it!

    The Scots Church was on Meeting House Lane...

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  • #2257
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    I was about to suggest that - think that was near, or off, Mary's street


  • #2258
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    The Scots Church 1862, Meeting House Lane


  • #2259
    mindhorn
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭mindhorn


    Hi all. Few handwriting queries below if someone wouldn't mind taking a look (sorry for the lack of hyperlinks but can't post them as a new user).


    The 2nd entry is confusing me as it looks like it reads Clara, Meath. I wouldn't expect that person to be in that county and then there's the issue of there being no Clara in Meath.

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09148/5308589.pdf


    The 5th entry looks to be the maiden name McCroghan (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm struggling to find anything solid for this surname, are there any variations of it (tried, McCrohan, McCroghen, and without the 'Mc')?

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02729/2003611.pdf


    The name pops up again here (6th from the end) and I also can't make out who the godfather is.

    registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634260#page/149/mode/1up


    Thanks.


  • #2260
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Clara, Meath - that's what it looks like to me too.

    McCroghan - check she was not a widow which can involve two surnames

    Godfather Dionysius (Denis) McCrohan


  • #2261
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    mindhorn wrote: »
    Hi all. Few handwriting queries below if someone wouldn't mind taking a look (sorry for the lack of hyperlinks but can't post them as a new user).


    The 2nd entry is confusing me as it looks like it reads Clara, Meath. I wouldn't expect that person to be in that county and then there's the issue of there being no Clara in Meath.

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09148/5308589.pdf


    The 5th entry looks to be the maiden name McCroghan (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm struggling to find anything solid for this surname, are there any variations of it (tried, McCrohan, McCroghen, and without the 'Mc')?

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02729/2003611.pdf


    The name pops up again here (6th from the end) and I also can't make out who the godfather is.

    registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634260#page/149/mode/1up


    Thanks.


    Clara in Offaly is in the Diocese of Meath maybe they mistook it for the county. Clara is very close to the border and has a railway station where the father may have worked.


    https://dioceseofmeath.ie/clara/


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  • #2262
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    mindhorn wrote: »
    Hi all. Few handwriting queries below if someone wouldn't mind taking a look (sorry for the lack of hyperlinks but can't post them as a new user).


    The 2nd entry is confusing me as it looks like it reads Clara, Meath. I wouldn't expect that person to be in that county and then there's the issue of there being no Clara in Meath.

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09148/5308589.pdf


    The 5th entry looks to be the maiden name McCroghan (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm struggling to find anything solid for this surname, are there any variations of it (tried, McCrohan, McCroghen, and without the 'Mc')?

    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02729/2003611.pdf


    The name pops up again here (6th from the end) and I also can't make out who the godfather is.

    registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634260#page/149/mode/1up


    Thanks.


    There are other McCrohans in the area at the same time. This time spelt without the G.


    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/7f5d2a2263120?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3D%26exact%3D%26name2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1883%26yyto%3D1883%26type%3DM%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26ddBfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3DCaherciveen%26submit%3DSearch


  • #2263
    mindhorn
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭mindhorn


    Thanks all.

    Didn't occur to me that she may have been a widow but I've had a look around and nothing stands out. Though I did manage to find another child of theirs who was born in 1876.

    But nothing prior to that year so I had a look through marriages from 1870 - 1876. Very few Patrick Sullivan's married Bridget's in that period.

    Thanks for clarifying that it's that Clara and the name Dionysius.


  • #2264
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    mindhorn wrote: »
    Thanks all.

    Didn't occur to me that she may have been a widow but I've had a look around and nothing stands out. Though I did manage to find another child of theirs who was born in 1876.

    I can see 4 children to that couple on rootsireland between 1878 and 1888. Will PM you details, so as to not take thread off topic.


  • #2265
    dia squish
    Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dia squish


    Looking at the last entry (right-hand side page) here.

    Father George McMahon and mother Margaret/Mary? McGeary. Anyone know what the first name of the child would be? The superscripts confuse me.


  • #2266
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    looks like Margt. , with the gt. uppercase, to me, so Margaret

    same sort of abbreviation a few lines up, but without the uppercase


  • #2267
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    rootsireland has the child's name transcribed as Jane. Mother Margaret.
    Witnesses James and Rose.


  • #2268
    dia squish
    Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dia squish


    spurious wrote: »
    rootsireland has the child's name transcribed as Jane. Mother Margaret.
    Witnesses James and Rose.

    Do you think the superscript beside what looks like "Jan" suggests otherwise though?


  • #2269
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I think that's abbreviating the genitive case in Latin Jan am (Jane of xx parents?)

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #2270
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    spurious wrote: »
    Clara, Meath - that's what it looks like to me too.

    McCroghan - check she was not a widow which can involve two surnames

    Godfather Dionysius (Denis) McCrohan


    Caveat RootsIreland:

    I took a one month subscription to RootsIreland to check up some of their new records. Some of their transcriptions are decidedly dodgy. For example, Roots transcribed the sponsors' names as Dominic Kean and Honor Kidian on the Roscommon RC parish register [p190 https://bit.ly/2MPSTsG]; I checked the original register online to find the names on the register were latinised: according to the register the sponsors were Dionysius Kean, which it usually translated as Denis, and Honoria Kilian. The RootsIreland transcription doesn't indicate that it has actually translated the names. In addition it adds a note 'not paid', when in fact the entry on the register reads 'nil'. They transcribe the address as Road Walk, although it looks to me that the first letter is B, not R - I'd have to do some digging to find out what it actually says.



    I was particularly interested in CoI records for Co Wicklow - I had started transcribing records in the RCB so I had some transcriptions to compare. There were discrepancies between my transcriptions and Roots, but unfortunately I can't check as the records are not online.



    I haven't managed to find a report error function - Roots is useful but really needs to improve considerably. Compared to the subscriptions for Findmypast it's way over priced.


  • #2271
    kildarejohn
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭kildarejohn


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I think that's abbreviating the genitive case in Latin Jan am (Jane of xx parents?)

    Not wanting to be too pedantic, but Jan-am would possibly be the Accusative case, ie. Jane is the object of the sentence "I baptised Jane daughter of George" (assuming Jane takes similar endings to Latin mensa)
    Georgii is the genitive of Georgius.


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  • #2272
    Griffinx
    Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    Anyone care to tackle this one from Argentina

    ehlwHlA.jpg


  • #2273
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    What is the record and have you a link to the source?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #2274
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    This thread is more about handwriting than language translation.

    Please post a link to the source, as per the rules of this forum.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #2275
    Griffinx
    Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    This thread is more about handwriting than language translation.

    Please post a link to the source, as per the rules of this forum.

    Hi

    I didn't specifically ask for translation, Google can do that for me. I can't link directly to the source but I found the record on https://www.familysearch.org/ and searched for Maria Lynn b.1870 in Argentina. The text result gives the father as Juan Lynn and Maria Kelly. I was interested in knowing what the rest of the text is.

    If this post isn't appropriate for the forum, please let me know and I'll remove.


  • #2276
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Griffinx wrote: »
    If this post isn't appropriate for the forum, please let me know and I'll remove.

    It's not that your post is inappropriate - quite the opposite in my opinion - but that it lacks detail.
    A link to the source of the document and a comment about your interest in it provides context that can help others to help you.

    Here's a link to the document - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XNN3-R21

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #2277
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I found a quick email to the embassy very helpful in some dealings I had with Chilean records. They explained what my document was and an embassy worker even helped me with a little bit of research to find my relative's grave in Valparaiso.


  • #2278
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    Griffinx wrote: »
    Hi

    I didn't specifically ask for translation, Google can do that for me. I can't link directly to the source but I found the record on https://www.familysearch.org/ and searched for Maria Lynn b.1870 in Argentina. The text result gives the father as Juan Lynn and Maria Kelly. I was interested in knowing what the rest of the text is.

    If this post isn't appropriate for the forum, please let me know and I'll remove.

    I can read most of it but am a bit of unsure what you mean by being interested in knowing what the rest of the text is and not asking for translation. As long as it is, there's little that is different to an Irish baptism record except it does give her parents' ages.


  • #2279
    Griffinx
    Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    Vetch wrote: »
    I can read most of it but am a bit of unsure what you mean by being interested in knowing what the rest of the text is and not asking for translation. As long as it is, there's little that is different to an Irish baptism record except it does give her parents' ages.

    I thought that if I could get the handwriting words, I could add it to the typewritten text and Google translate would translate it all. Could you tell me the parents' ages?


  • #2280
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    Griffinx wrote: »
    I thought that if I could get the handwriting words, I could add it to the typewritten text and Google translate would translate it all. Could you tell me the parents' ages?

    I think her father is 35 (treinta y cinco anos de edad), either that or 37 (which would be treinta y siete), and her mother is definitely 30. Both of the sponsors are 23. All four are Irish.


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  • #2281
    Griffinx
    Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭Griffinx


    Vetch wrote: »
    I think her father is 35 (treinta y cinco anos de edad), either that or 37 (which would be treinta y siete), and her mother is definitely 30. Both of the sponsors are 23. All four are Irish.

    Many thanks...and I didn't even need Google translate ;)


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