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Smoking at DART stations

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  • #62
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    hawkmoon269 wrote:
    I doubt if they would like to inhale the stench your urine, particularly when it's so full of hatred, prejudice and bile.
    I'm not 100% sure but you can only get bile in faeces, not urine.
    hawkmoon269 wrote:
    I wasn't the one that brought the urine analogy into the thread, you did!
    No, I did.


  • #63
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Since the smoking ban, I've found the following to be true:

    - European country with the highest life expectancy? Spain. European country with highest number of smokers per capita? Spain.

    - If the Government really cared about the Nation's heath then we wouldn't have had 300+ people in Trollies in A&E units as was the case last week.

    - Non-smokers will have to plug the €500million tax shortfall in Customs & Excise duties in the fiscal year 2004

    - Smokers die younger and are less of a drain on the pensions system (the arguement about smokers costing the heathcare system more is mute, non-smokers develop health problems in later life too, and believe it or not, are not immortal)

    - The national average for people dying in nighttime housefires started by a lighted cigarette is up by 18 in 2004 (source: National Safety Council)

    - We are becoming very tetchy and rule-orientated as a nation

    - Unhappy people will always seek to share their misery

    - Intolerance kills more people than tolerance

    - Arguing with a health nazi is pointless, stressfull and bad for your health


  • #64
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    DublinWriter wrote:
    - European country with the highest life expectancy? Spain.
    Wrong. Spain is 11th in European life expectancy rankings
    DublinWriter wrote:
    - European country with highest number of smokers per capita? Spain.
    Wrong - Spain doesn't make the Top 15 list of daily smokers by country

    Unless of course you have more up to date data you'd like to show?
    DublinWriter wrote:
    - Non-smokers will have to plug the €500million tax shortfall in Customs & Excise duties in the fiscal year 2004

    - Smokers die younger and are less of a drain on the pensions system (the arguement about smokers costing the heathcare system more is mute, non-smokers develop health problems in later life too, and believe it or not, are not immortal)
    Wrong. The shortfall in excise taxes will be more than outweighed by the savings in health care expenditure in the long term.
    DublinWriter wrote:
    - We are becoming very tetchy and rule-orientated as a nation

    - Unhappy people will always seek to share their misery

    - Intolerance kills more people than tolerance
    Bull. Pure Bull.


  • #65
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    RainyDay wrote:
    Bull. Pure Bull.
    True, France was the country I meant. I was booking a Spainish holiday on line this morning, so I think I can be forgiven!

    The stats you mentioned make my case - France is the 8th highest for life expectancy out of 47 countries listed and 3rd highest on the table of for smokers per capita.

    Curiously, both Italy and Spain aren't on your smoking stats. They surely must be in the top 10 somewhere? I can't believe Sweden has more smokers than either country, and Sweden is in 4th place for life expectancy out of the 47 countries?!?

    As for the savings in heathcare in the long term, are you on drugs?!?

    All of us, whether smoker or not, will (hopefully!) get old and will require the same intensive levels of healthcare in the last years of our lives.

    If anything non-smokers cost the state more in healthcare and pensions. Think about it!


  • #66
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,418 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    There are, of course, many more factors that influence life expectancy than whether you smoke or not. For instance, the Spanish, Italians and mediterranean types in general have a much healthier diet than we do ... it's the Olive Oil and fish in their diet that do this, so whilst maybe more of them die from smoking related illnesses, fewer will die from heart attacks. Swings and roundabouts.


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  • #67
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    DublinWriter wrote:
    True, France was the country I meant. I was booking a Spainish holiday on line this morning, so I think I can be forgiven!
    Or maybe you are merely parroting something said on Politics recently?
    If anything non-smokers cost the state more in healthcare and pensions. Think about it!
    Perhaps, but the non-smokers also contribute more.


  • #68
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    DublinWriter wrote:
    We are becoming very tetchy and rule-orientated as a nation
    What kind of rules are you talking about?


  • #69
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭SeanW


    hawkmoon269 wrote:
    Because we live in a free democracy, last time I checked, and not a fascist state.

    Incidentally, Churchill and Roosevelt were both smokers.

    Hilter was a fanatical anti-smoker.

    So, remind me again, who won the war?

    Hitler ... Interesting how you should bring that up because the person who started this debate on this thread (Eriguena) I looked over his/her post history and most of it is Jew bashing and Holocaust Denial in the skeptics forum. Maybe you should take this debate over there too.


  • #70
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    DublinWriter wrote:
    True, France was the country I meant. I was booking a Spainish holiday on line this morning, so I think I can be forgiven!

    The stats you mentioned make my case - France is the 8th highest for life expectancy out of 47 countries listed and 3rd highest on the table of for smokers per capita.

    Curiously, both Italy and Spain aren't on your smoking stats. They surely must be in the top 10 somewhere? I can't believe Sweden has more smokers than either country, and Sweden is in 4th place for life expectancy out of the 47 countries?!?
    Ok then - I fully and absolutely believe that you were really thinking about France when you posted this morning (even though France doesn't have the highest life expectancy in Europe and doesn't have the highest number of smokers in Europe). It all makes sense now.
    DublinWriter wrote:
    As for the savings in heathcare in the long term, are you on drugs?!?

    All of us, whether smoker or not, will (hopefully!) get old and will require the same intensive levels of healthcare in the last years of our lives.

    If anything non-smokers cost the state more in healthcare and pensions. Think about it!
    You are ignoring the huge costs of treating cancers in the relatively young, the loss of productivity due to additonal illnesses, the loss of productivity due to early death. Just like your spurious Spanish arguement, you don't get to make up facts round here. If you believe smokers save the state money, please refer to a reputable paper or publication to support your view.


  • #71
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    RainyDay wrote:
    You are ignoring the huge costs of treating cancers in the relatively young, the loss of productivity due to additonal illnesses, the loss of productivity due to early death. Just like your spurious Spanish arguement, you don't get to make up facts round here. If you believe smokers save the state money, please refer to a reputable paper or publication to support your view.
    Ditto.


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  • #72
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    DublinWriter wrote:
    Ditto.
    So after being caught making up facts about Spain, you expect me to go googling again to disprove your rubbish about smokers saving the economy money? I really don't know why I bother - but I do. Here's the figures showing that smokers are a net cost to the economy, and even their early deaths won't save money for the rest of us. Let's just ignore the ethics of the tobacco manufacturers claiming that early death is a benefit for the moment. They conveniently ignored the fact that funds spent on cigarettes today would (for the most part), be switched to be spent on other items which would (for the most part) be taxed and would result in increased tax take on other items. Funny how that key point just slipped their mind, ain't it.


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