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Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

  • 03-12-2018 7:11pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

    The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

    Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

    Some quick facts below

    VAT is 23%

    Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

    Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
    Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

    Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

    Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

    Universal Service Charge

    Rate Income Band
    0.5% Up to €12,012
    2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
    4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
    8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
    8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
    11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

    Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

    Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

    CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

    There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

    With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

    Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

    Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

    Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

    Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.


    Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

    Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

    Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Bye


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Purgative


    Bye then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Rum Ham!


    ok


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭secman


    Best of luck in Utopia, to keep in touch with the plebs back home. Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Fuzzy Logic


    Nice (not) knowing you


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Where u heading, dubai? Zero craic!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Kevin Finnerty


    I like the grammar. So well paragraphed and constructed. A joy to read OP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    Yes but where are you heading


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Have you checked out less regressive tax countries or are you just venting?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    You’re dead right......our best people will go abroad and make a good life for themselves. Always been the case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    You could go North.

    North Sentinel Island

    6%20North%20Sentinel%20Island%20Andaman%20Islands.jpg

    No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

    I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

    Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

    OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

    Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    LirW wrote: »
    Yes but where are you heading


    Probably Qatar


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,198 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Have to agreed, this is the one that cost me a fortune,
    Stamp Duty 2% after first million.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    NSAman wrote: »
    Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

    I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

    Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

    OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

    Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.


    You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.


  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭mark085


    What a depressing outlook you have,I work and make good money and enjoy myself


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Reati


    Bit too much thought in the OP for after hours... Your right but no one will let you have that. Enjoy America.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ Alana Yummy Cub


    theguzman wrote: »
    Probably Qatar

    Hilarious. Sharia law and blatant labour rights violations?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    theguzman wrote: »
    Probably Qatar

    Great, a country where slavery is still legal,.....enjoy


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,017 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    no need to make a big song and dance about it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    no need to make a big song and dance about it

    But there is, he hasn't the balls to make a decision and go, he wants all of us to agree with him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    theguzman wrote: »
    I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

    The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

    Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

    Some quick facts below

    VAT is 23%

    Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

    Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
    Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

    Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

    Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

    Universal Service Charge

    Rate Income Band
    0.5% Up to €12,012
    2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
    4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
    8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
    8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
    11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

    Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

    Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

    CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

    There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

    With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

    Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

    Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

    Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

    Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.


    Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

    Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

    Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

    best of luck


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    The only things more expensive in Qatar are housing, alcohol and entertainment!

    You are also 7 times more likely to be murdered in Qatar.

    Have fun (expensively!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭HamSarris


    theguzman wrote: »
    Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

    Maybe you're projecting the anger you feel about your own life onto the government and the leftist, PC regressive elite.

    It's easier to say I'm leaving Ireland because of the tax system than I'm leaving Ireland because no one likes me anymore since I became resentful towards everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    theguzman wrote: »

    Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

    Some quick facts below

    VAT is 23%

    Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

    Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
    Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

    Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

    Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

    Universal Service Charge

    Rate Income Band
    0.5% Up to €12,012
    2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
    4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
    8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
    8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
    11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

    Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

    Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

    CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

    There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

    With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

    Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

    Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

    Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

    Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.


    Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

    Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

    .

    It's a lot of tax alright. In recent years and solely on this issue I find common ground with libertarians. Mainly because the return from government is so poor in terms of what we generally get as societal services.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    Good read. It’s also kind of a **** hole. Manky weather, dirty, too many ****heads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    Why not go in 2018?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 670 ✭✭✭sightband


    You could go North.

    North Sentinel Island

    6%20North%20Sentinel%20Island%20Andaman%20Islands.jpg

    No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

    How many thanks were you expecting after all that effort and attempted wit?

    You would’ve been just as well off with all the “bye” “bye now” “nice knowing you “ muck.

    Massive divide here, wouldn’t blame anyone for leaving. Income tax figures seem a bit off though, maybe recalculate and reevaluate


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I left a good few years ago. Have set up a nice lifestyle for myself with all the "little" creature comforts that one could want. I couldi not make a living in Ireland in what I do, so I was left with no option.

    Would I return to Ireland if I could? ABSO****LUTELY

    I already have my retirement plan set out, I have the property bought and will start building that future this coming year.

    I love living here, BUT, I also know that I would love to spend more time at home (it is home after all).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭EmptyTree


    theguzman wrote: »
    You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.
    Different bands apply, it's not a flat rate tax.


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