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Husky mauls child

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭john t


    not late, if dog does wrong owner is responsible for dog actions, penalty for owner and arrest/ lockdown for dog simple...


  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭fufureida


    Sounds like the beginning of the zombie apocalypse to me... Kids infected. O_O


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    @johnt: So then you're saying the dog owners (the child's parents) in this case should be arrested and face penalties?

    I believe that puts us all on the same page so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    not late, if dog does wrong owner is responsible for dog actions, penalty for owner and arrest/ lockdown for dog simple...

    Sound, I was not sure that's what you meant

    PS- late for me:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭fufureida


    You definitely will, don't worry.
    I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    <BANNED>


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  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭fufureida


    mazdamps wrote: »
    Poor dog, at 6 months he was just a baby

    Treated properly they are very affectionate and sweet.



    By the looks of it, the poor thing is better off dead.

    Just look at the hero at the 10 minute mark.

    The hero on all the papers, is your typical scumbag.


    Ok, so you are judging a human by the way they look and where they live yet a dog that almost killed an infant is " a poor little dog "? Animals can be affectionate and sweet, but they can also um I dunno, kill you?
    What about the poor little child? Its pretty sad to think people like you exist who value the life of a dog over the life of a child. I know plenty of people who look like "scum bags" such as this guy but you will be surprised how looks can mean nothing sometimes. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Your comments made me feel extremely sick... Sorry if you find this offensive but I am seriously annoyed at the implication that someone is prioritizing the life of a dog over a child...


  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭FueledByAisling


    fufureida wrote: »
    You definitely will, don't worry.
    I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    I think dogs should be allowed let off their leashes (depending on breeds) under the circumstances that:
    A. The owner knows the dog is not a threat to anyone around
    B. They will be able to control the dog under unfortunate events and willing to injure their dog in order to protect the victim.
    C. They clean up the dogs number 2's.

    I think there should just be a rule where if a dog is going to be unleashed in a park it must have one of those headcollar things (don't know what their called but are fabric dog sized headcollars that restrict the mouth from opening). If people don't follow this rule then of course fines should be put in place! But not everyone has very big back gardens so regardless of the amount of walks a dog gets the poor thing needs to allowed to run around and act like a dog.
    john t wrote: »
    not late, if dog does wrong owner is responsible for dog actions, penalty for owner and arrest/ lockdown for dog simple...

    Animals are unpredictable creatures and have a mind of their own which an owner does not have full control over. The kid may have been harassing the poor dog endlessly before it attacked the him nobody was there so they can't judge. Kid should not have been left unsupervised regardless of how safe of an area it was in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 mazdamps


    fufureida wrote: »
    Ok, so you are judging a human by the way they look and where they live yet a dog that almost killed an infant is " a poor little dog "? Animals can be affectionate and sweet, but they can also um I dunno, kill you?
    What about the poor little child? Its pretty sad to think people like you exist who value the life of a dog over the life of a child. I know plenty of people who look like "scum bags" such as this guy but you will be surprised how looks can mean nothing sometimes. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Your comments made me feel extremely sick... Sorry if you find this offensive but I am seriously annoyed at the implication that someone is prioritizing the life of a dog over a child...

    A 2 year old playing with a Malamute.

    That's what's wrong.

    It's the parent's fault, simple as that.

    Poor dog had to be killed over there stupidity.

    What kind of idiot's let a 2 year old play with a Malamute.

    2 year old playing

    stock-photo-portrait-of-one-year-old-baby-58872179.jpg

    With this

    alaskan_malamute-14798.jpg

    Idiot's

    I have one and would never let him play with a child.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    fufureida; Thankfully the child didn't die, the dog most likely will. Who is prioritising a childs life over a dog? Talk about hysteria; "one day your dog will maul...." :rolleyes: what a statement. No my dog wont, he's allowed off lead in appropiate areas and kept suitably restrained where necessary - most importantly he would never be alone with a child. That is what a responsible owner does.

    And what has (as you so nicely put it) ****ting got to do with this story? Dogs fouling has nothing to do with this issue what so ever.

    The dog is a poor little dog because he was put into a position where this happened, the child is a poor little thing because he was put into a position where this happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    You definitely will, don't worry.
    I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    It must be late as I don't know what anyone is on about- Who defiantly will what??

    - A tiny minority of dogs should have muzzles and of those if they are properly reared then they are of minimum threat to anyone,if at all, muzzle or not.

    - No leash is no problem, in the right time and place, I have access to a sheepless mountain area and livestock free beach area. My dogs respond to my commands if anyone is concerned by them. They are never free walking in a normal park or in general public.

    -Sh!t eveywhere - fair point, annoys me to.

    This bit really gets my goat:
    here is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    Are you telling me that the husky that sleeps on the end of my bed is gonna chew the head of off me any day now? She is a bloody good actor so....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    fufureida wrote: »
    judging a human by the way they look

    The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    Well the Malamute in question is with us no more


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    fufureida wrote: »
    I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    Most dogs don't require muzzles and are only a certain few breeds are required by law to wear them in public spaces. That is not to say the dogs in question need muzzles, it is ignorant, reactionary legislation aimed at penalising the dogs for the failure of their owners.

    Similarly, in many areas dogs are not required to be on a leash. With regards to "**** everywhere", we "****" everywhere before the toilet came along, animals don't have that luxury so go naturally. Responsible dog owners pick up and dispose of said "****" though.

    You say that one day the dog will maul the owner or someone else, is that a definite? I don't believe so. In fact, "maulings" are a very rare occurrence and are due to irresponsibility on the part of the owner and nothing more. No dog is fundamentally more likely to "maul" than any other and the probability of any dog "mauling" someone is extremely low.

    This is extremely off the topic though so I don't believe it should go any further, however it irks me that on a resource such as this, where people have posted many times before debunking the stupidity of the "restricted breeds" list, that such ignorance still runs rife.

    fufureida wrote: »
    Ok, so you are judging a human by the way they look and where they live yet a dog that almost killed an infant is " a poor little dog "?

    Did you watch the video? The man has a significant rap sheet, including one single (of many) prison sentences of 2 years, of the 20 he had lived. He has a gun tattooed on his neck and lives in an area renowned for crime. In fact, if you actually bothered to view the video you'd have seen that crime is basically all the man knows.

    We can judge the dog because his behaviour is the result of his ownership and the effort they have put in as owners. Well bred, well trained and unprovoked dogs do not randomly start repeatedly attacking a child. Not only that, but EVERY dog has the capability to be well trained, socialised and thus behaved. Indeed, a dog that was provoked may snap once, but repeated attacks toward someone who hit it with a shovel would suggest massive negligence on the owner's part.

    That same dog could have been homed to a loving and dedicated family where it would still be living happily today. So yes, poor dog indeed.
    Animals can be affectionate and sweet, but they can also um I dunno, kill you?

    So can broccoli.
    What about the poor little child? Its pretty sad to think people like you exist who value the life of a dog over the life of a child.
    Not a single person here has been without pity or sympathy for the child and not a single person here has suggested that the child deserved it. That child is similar to the dog in that it is a victim of circumstance - irresponsible or outright reckless parents (as opposed to owners).
    I know plenty of people who look like "scum bags" such as this guy but you will be surprised how looks can mean nothing sometimes.

    Again, watch the video. He is a criminal and a proud one at that.
    Talk about judging a book by its cover. Your comments made me feel extremely sick... Sorry if you find this offensive but I am seriously annoyed at the implication that someone is prioritizing the life of a dog over a child...

    I won't make such ... grande ... claims that I felt "sick" over something you said, however the ignorance you've shown is absolutely astounding. You're attacking someone over their comments regarding a video that has been posted, without having been bothered to watch the video in question yourself. You're asserting nonsense that a dog is certain to "maul" you or someone else eventually and then drew completely false and outright troll-ish "conclusions" about what people have said here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 mazdamps


    FunkZ wrote: »
    The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.

    I know lol

    " Robbing cars, no insurance "

    " You's get ous something to and we might give up crime"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    I dunno, I am unsettled tonight after this, apart from all the regular dogs being neglected in this country I cant help but think of all the sled dogs of what ever description locked away in some fools back garden because they look a bit like a wolf.

    Makes me feel guilty walking around town with mine, I don't want to reinforce/be part of this breeds image being destroyed by making some Pratt think he should get one also.
    I spent a year thinking about Husky's and went in with my eyes open. I put the time in with fantastic results.
    Now muppets are buying doomed pups from immoral,cruel puppy farmers to sell to wanker$ that have no concern about the animal beyond its appearance. And worse than that , it is a serious amount of energy to lock in you 10x10 yard, and FFS, let you child play with it, unsupervised.

    GRRRRR, I gotta get off this thread now, rub me husky's, think about the Malamute that's just been 'destroyed' and go to bed. What a country we live in.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    fufureida wrote: »
    You definitely will, don't worry.
    I don't understand this stupid obsession with people walking there dogs without muzzles, without leashes, and letting them **** everywhere. There is a reason these laws are in place, one day your dog will maul you or someone else. What then?

    <BANNED>

    Ignoring a moderators instruction to keep the thread on topic
    Trolling
    Personal abuse (whomever this post is directed at)

    - 1 week ban issued


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    Jaysis that report post function is effective. Must be connected to adrenalinejunkies e-collar since it managed to wake her up :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭haminka


    Morons who buy a working breed because it's fashionable and/or look's cute and then keep it as a pet, just walk nicely beside the buggy and don't run around too much. Total idiocy.
    These dogs were bred to work. To pull sleighs in very demanding and harsh conditions, have some rest and then pull again. They need good discipline and workout otherwise they get bored. When a dog behaves like that, blame the owner, not the dog.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    FunkZ wrote: »
    The lad has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS.

    Thats completely off topic but I have to respond.

    A tattoo does not mean someone is a scumbag regardless of where its located.A scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag.


  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭samina


    I never owned a dog until recently. But I grew up around dogs including Rottweilers and staffs that neighbors owned. I was always terrified walking past them. I used to run away from them but looking back never had any reason they never harmed anyone. When I was a teeneager I was walking along the road and a lab was walking past and for no reason he jumped up bit my back and then just trotted on his way.
    My point is that I completely agree with the fact that responsible ownership and supervision is necessary for all dogs. I still have a bit of a fear of unsupervised dogs yet I would happily pet a dog that's with it's owner.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    g'em wrote: »
    But then you hear about how some breeds are notoriously great with kids and babies can practically hang out of them without fear of danger.

    I take it that once a dog has attacked someone, as in this case, it's quite an automatic decision to have them PTS? Is there ever the option to rehome?

    Just as there is no such thing as a dangerous breed there is also no such thing as a breed that is great with kids. Dogs are individuals, not breeds. How they are with children is totally dependent on how they are reared.

    I have three different breeds & I do not have children. Because I know that my dogs will meet kids it is up to me to ensure that they well socialised with children. I would trust my dogs with kids but I wouldn't trust a kid with my dogs & I would never leave them together unsupervised.

    If a Dog Warden takes the dog then it will be killed. So we never get to find out what might of caused the attack & we learn nothing. Wardens have no qualifications. They are not trainers or behaviourists. They are totally unqualified to determine the behaviour of a dog. There are many cases of rescues taking dogs that have bitten. They can often be rehomed. Dogs never attack or bite without a reason.
    ISDW wrote: »
    The Clare dog warden said on the radio yesterday that it was an Alaskan Malamute, so it wasn't a husky. This enlightened individual also said that malamutes are dangerous, and that huskies shouldn't be pets.

    A stupid ill informed comment like this should never come from a Warden. But what makes this so unacceptable is that this Warden is employed by the ISPCA who run the Pound. It is the same Pound that killed over 200 Greyhounds in 2010.

    http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/DogControl/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    I think my feelings on what happened are pretty clear in this thread, but I can't understand why people are attacking the neighbour who possibly saved this child's life? OK, so he may well be a scum bag, but what did he do wrong here to warrant people attacking him? Maybe he didn't need to use the shovel, I don't know, I wasn't there, and he doesn't have a clue about dog breeds, but at least he was willing to go and help the child. My connection is very slow, so I haven't seen the video, so maybe theres something in it that I'm missing, but I can't see what it could show that would change my mind that thank goodness he was there, nobody else seemed to be. Who knows, maybe getting good attention, possibly for the first time in his life, might change his mindset and actually change his life - stranger things have happened.

    Boxerly, yes, if it was my child being mauled by a dog I would use whatever I could get my hands on to get the dog off, but the parents didn't, where were they?

    Very sad that the dog has been destroyed (and I prefer to use that word in circumstances like these rather than the nicer pts) but honestly, there are so many northern breeds looking for homes, that I couldn't have taken that dog in for rehoming. Its a very, very harsh world, but dogs that have bitten usually cannot be rehomed by welfare organisations. if they should ever bite again, the legal ramifications could be huge. I have 4 siberian huskies looking for homes at the moment, one has been here since September, nothing wrong with him. There is a sibe bitch in Ashton pound that I cannot take in, as I am completely and utterly broke. There are sibes and mals in other pounds around the country that I cannot help. These are all dogs without bite histories. They can't all be saved, and its not the worse thing in the world for a dog to go to sleep and not wake up. This poor dog was only 6 months old? If this incident hadn't happened, what would its life have been? Locked in a yard for another 12-13 years?

    There is another possible explanation if this was a malamute. There is a line of mals in Ireland with epilepsy, and they are being bred constantly. I spoke to one man about it, after he proudly told me about his dog's heritage, with the American champion in its lines, so I knew who he was talking about. I only told him about the epilepsy to warn him, so he could keep an eye on his dog and tell his vet. The man got very angry with me, thought I was attacking his dog, and I know has bred at least 2 litters from that dog since. The dog in this incident would have been a bit young to have a fit, but its possible. So again, health testing, responsible breeding. People come on here and read some posters going on and on about this stuff and get annoyed, and wonder why we 'preach'. This is why.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The age of the dog is baffling to me. I have never heard of an "attack" by a six month old pup. It makes no sense & I wonder if it was a game that got out of hand. I also wonder how much we can rely on interview evidence. People can be reluctant to admit to anything that shows them in a bad light.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    A tattoo does not mean someone is a scumbag regardless of where its located.A scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag.

    Hey HR,

    I don't want to drag this thread off topic, but what I said was 'He has a gun tattoo'd on his neck FFS'. It was NOT an attack on tattoo's, it was a reply to the video which showed the guy as a blatant scumbag, he is bragging about how he has been to jail. I love tattoo's, I always have. But a gun tattoo'd to the neck of someone, whether or not from a place where gun crime appears to be rife, is tasteless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I have been told that Frankie Coote, the Dog Warden involved, will be discussing this matter during his slot on Tuesday morning at 10.45am on Clare FM.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    If you found the dog related ignorance in this thread annoying, I would advise you to stay well clear of the thread on the topic in the 'After Hours' forum.

    I only wish I had received the same advice :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    If you found the dog related ignorance in this thread annoying, I would advise you to stay well clear of the thread on the topic in the 'After Hours' forum.

    I only wish I had received the same advice :(

    There have been some good animal discussions in AH. Why stay clear when they reflect the views of many - like the article in the Irish Sun.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/4239647/Family-pet-mauls-toddler-like-a-rag-doll.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    Discodog wrote: »
    There have been some good animal discussions in AH. Why stay clear when they reflect the views of many - like the article in the Irish Sun.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/4239647/Family-pet-mauls-toddler-like-a-rag-doll.html
    I refuse to read the Sun, nor listen to its readers for that matter :) However, as you linked it, I read the article and it merely reinforced my pre-existing opinion that the "red tops" are irresponsible, tripe spewing disgraces of journalism that cater to the "news" needs of the intellectually stunted amongst us.

    It just appears to be fighting a losing battle. For every one person who reads up on dogs and dog behaviour and acknowledges that saying that a certain breed is naturally prone to aggression is akin to saying black Americans are naturally predisposed to be criminals, there appears to be thousands who are happy to judge a breed as "dangerous" and undeserving of homes, affection and good lives simply because of what they've read in the publications of such aforementioned "news" outlets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    For every one person who reads up on dogs and dog behaviour and acknowledges that saying that a certain breed is naturally prone to aggression is akin to saying black Americans are naturally predisposed to be criminals,

    I agree but we cannot stop informing just because some of it falls on deaf ears. There is a slow improvement - even if it's like pulling teeth.

    If you see negative or untruthful comment then you can either ignore it or challenge it - I prefer the latter. It is incredible how, even after thousands of years of domestication, we still misunderstand dogs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    Discodog wrote: »
    I agree but we cannot stop informing just because some of it falls on deaf ears. There is a slow improvement - even if it's like pulling teeth.

    If you see negative or untruthful comment then you can either ignore it or challenge it - I prefer the latter. It is incredible how, even after thousands of years of domestication, we still misunderstand dogs.
    Would it then be worthwhile compiling some informative resources to push towards people when they start spouting ignorant and outright incorrect things about dogs?

    Although, what really irks me is seeing people trying to inform people only to be met with being called "animal rights hippies" and the like. I think I even read something in the 'After Hours' forum that amounted to "in before someone an animal rights hippy comes to claim they let their pitbull breast feed their baby" which seemed to get quite a few "likes". They're sticking ignorant, negative labels on the dogs and then anyone who tries to rationally and reasonably defend them! :(


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