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Shooting in the French Alps

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,953 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    There has been speculation that Saad needed protection from the Israelis and that MI5 should have been protecting him. I stress speculation at the moment.

    Perhaps MI5 thought that MI6 were looking after him?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,323 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    drquirky wrote: »
    4 yr old left alone as she wouldn't remember anything- 8 yr old beaten just bad enough to go get knocked out/ lose memory but not die. Pro hit IMO.

    How do you know when you've beaten someone enough to erase their memories...is there a required number of blows or something? If two people are going to a clandestine meeting with a contact, one isn't going to bring 2 children, their wife and the kids grandmother and the other isn't going to cycle to the meeting. Nice idea but not grounded in reality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    If there's any truth in the stories that he worked on nuclear program in Iraq and recently traveled to Iran I think I'm with the conspiracy crowd on this one. All shots to the forehead seems like assassination.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,953 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Blay wrote: »
    How do you know when you've beaten someone enough to erase their memories...is there a required number of blows or something? If two people are going to a clandestine meeting with a contact, one isn't going to bring 2 children, their wife and the kids grandmother and the other isn't going to cycle to the meeting. Nice idea but not grounded in reality.

    He's Dr Quirky, and I'm assuming that he's a medic and not a doctor of music or something, so he should know.:cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,323 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    He's Dr Quirky, and I'm assuming that he's a medic and not a doctor of music or something, so he should know.:cool:

    Well I for one think it's about time that med. school has started teaching our young doctors to beat the memories out of people's heads:pac:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    This must be one of the strangest stories ive heard in a long time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,953 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Blay wrote: »
    Well I for one think it's about time that med. school has started teaching our young doctors to beat the memories out of people's heads:pac:

    They'll never do that, or the patients will forget to pay em.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,469 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Surely I'm not the only person that heard about the 4 year old and immediately thought "Dexter"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭Missymoohaa


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Perhaps MI5 thought that MI6 were looking after him?

    :D:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    AH response: Fupping 'Merica again!!!...oh wait.



    Real response: Jesus, that's awful. Hope the kid blocks it out of her memory in later years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Just reading the French news this morning, no doubting it was a super professional hit. No bullets hit the body of the car, all cartridges found at the scene match the number of bullet wounds in the three in the car, the cyclist and the seven year old (who was shot in the shoulder).

    In a way that is intriguing to the investigation the French are not very welcoming to Arab's (mainly due to Meghrabin influx) but also are historically not very supportive if Israel. I say this because I believe it was a Mossad hit. They have a blasé attitude about how they conduct their affairs, knowing full well the protection they are offered by certain states.

    If it was MI-6 they would hardly have waited to come to France to organize a hit. (David Kelly, Dr Holmes etc)

    As a human it is act of savagery though, to think that some guy/girl will receive a large bonus payment for wiping out a family and a passer-by is stomach churning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Pinturicchio


    The first word that came to my mind when I read this story was "Mossad".


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    The French are also hugely into their firearms and have been known to be a tad xenophobic. Take rural area ( the Alps) and as likley or not you get a crazy lone gunman that has a thing about non locals....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Would a professional hit man kill the family as well?

    Sounds too shabby for a pro, but to clinical for a lunatic.

    I'm going for revenge/warning attack.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Would a professional hit man kill the family as well?

    Sounds too shabby for a pro, but to clinical for a lunatic.

    I'm going for revenge/warning attack.


    Lunatics can be wonderfully clinical - take that Swedishnutjob on the Island with the kids....enough said


    Edit: please note that the ethnicity referered to may not be absolutely correct -and is for phonetic purposes only!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    gozunda wrote: »
    Lunatics can be wonderfully clinical - take that Swedishnutjob on the Island with the kids....enough said


    Norway / Sweden they're all the same up there


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 34,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    gozunda wrote: »
    The French are also hugely into their firearms and have been known to be a tad xenophobic.

    :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    gozunda wrote: »
    Lunatics can be wonderfully clinical - take that Swedishnutjob on the Island with the kids....enough said

    he was Norwegian and he was found sane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    sam34 wrote: »
    gozunda wrote: »
    Lunatics can be wonderfully clinical - take that Swedishnutjob on the Island with the kids....enough said

    he was Norwegian and he was found sane.


    I do apologise! I was being glib....and of course he was sane - this didn't of course stop him shooting kids at random. I can categorise him as a nut job even if he was declared "sane"

    Anyway the point was shooting is a huge sport & many living in rural areas have guns for personal use - most of which is hunting

    Rural France can be xenophobic. There is also a huge cultural backlash against specific ethnic groups ATM in France ( I travel there regularly btw)

    But hey don't let me interrupt the conspiracy theory flow here - just giving a much more likely scenario if that's ok with the CIA/FBI/KGB whatever....




  • There are numerous news reports suggesting that it was a professional hit organized because of a family feud; seemingly the father had mentioned to a neighbour that he was worried over something.

    Telegraph being one such example.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭trishasaffron


    How come the 4 your old was 8 hours under her mother's body and yet the car engine was warm when the scene was discovered by the 2nd cyclist?


  • Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭iora_rua


    How come the 4 your old was 8 hours under her mother's body and yet the car engine was warm when the scene was discovered by the 2nd cyclist?

    I heard that the 2nd cyclist switched off the engine when he came across the
    scene.




  • How come the 4 your old was 8 hours under her mother's body and yet the car engine was warm when the scene was discovered by the 2nd cyclist?

    The little girl hid from the cyclist, the cops and everyone else. The cops didn't want to interfere with the scene until forensic teams got there, so when they looked in, they could see no movement and nothing showed up on thermal imaging, possibly because she was masked by her mother's body, which she was hiding under.

    Plus they didn't realize there was another child, as there was only one child seat, so it was only when police questioned the campsite that it was revealed the child was missing and they checked the car.

    The car was found around 4pm, she was found at midnight.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 34,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    How come the 4 your old was 8 hours under her mother's body and yet the car engine was warm when the scene was discovered by the 2nd cyclist?

    Neither the cyclist nor the police noticed there was a child alive in the car. The cops were afraid to disturb the scene for the forensics experts apparently - talk about getting your priorities right!
    Rural France can be xenophobic. There is also a huge cultural backlash against specific ethnic groups ATM in France ( I travel there regularly btw)

    In all seriousness how can you draw a link between an oul' lad with a shotgun who doesn't much like them arabs and a quadruple murder with a handgun at point blank range?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    How come the 4 your old was 8 hours under her mother's body and yet the car engine was warm when the scene was discovered by the 2nd cyclist?

    In France there are different types of police, the police who initially arrived were more than likely not allowed to examine the scene as they were Police Municipal. Basically like the FCA with a little more power, they had to wait for Police Nationale to arrive who then would have requested the NDLR (specialist forensic police) to attend.

    It is administration gone mad basically.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 34,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    But did they actually just look in the window, say "they look fairly dead" and leave it at that? If a civilian did that they'd be charged with not assisting a person in danger.




  • But did they actually just look in the window, say "they look fairly dead" and leave it at that? If a civilian did that they'd be charged with not assisting a person in danger.

    No, they looked in the window and then used thermal imaging to try and see if there was anything else, but the child's temperature could have been masked by her mother and the car seat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    But did they actually just look in the window, say "they look fairly dead" and leave it at that? If a civilian did that they'd be charged with not assisting a person in danger.

    Obviously they are not going to say who did what and who didn't do what but I would guess they looked in and saw people who had obviously been executed and just sealed the area. Effectively that is there job, they don't have much power and knowing the way everything works around here they would be afraid to do something they are not supposed to.

    They are more for public order than anything else.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 34,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I don't really understand the science. Does a dead body show up orangey-red on the thermal imaging or only a live person?

    Did the cyclist not check anyone for a pulse? It seems really bizarre behaviour.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    At that point there would be very little difference in body temperature between a person dead for 8 hours in a warm car and a live person.

    One of the other interesting things is that the car was running when the cyclist arrived so I wonder if the guy was halted on purpose to be executed.


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