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Parliamentary Questions

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    gouda wrote:
    Shouldn't that read "plonkers"? :D:D:D:D
    Bastard. It's going to take an hour to clean the coffee out of my keyboard now...
    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    More answers up...
    796. Mr. J. O’Keeffe asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the number of prosecutions in recent years under the firearms legislation for not having a licence or other breaches of legislation. [2055/05]

    797. Mr. J. O’Keeffe asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the average age profile of licensed firearms holders here. [2056/05]

    798. Mr. J. O’Keeffe asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the number of cases of stolen firearms in 2002, 2003 and 2004; the type or category of firearm that was stolen in each case; and the location from which the firearm in each case was stolen. [2057/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I propose to take Questions Nos. 796 to 798, inclusive, together.

    The number of prosecutions for possession of a firearm, which includes possession, use or carriage of a firearm or ammunition which is not authorised by a firearm certificate, and the discharge of a firearm are outlined in the following table. Firearms Offences where Proceedings Commenced
    Year Possession of firearms Discharge of a firearm
    2001 123 20
    2002 187 37
    2003 148 41
    2004* 179 38

    * figures for 2004 are provisional/operational and liable to change

    The Garda authorities inform me that the average age of a licensed firearm holder is 49 years.

    A breakdown of the number of firearms stolen by type or category and by location is not readily available. However, I am informed by the Garda authorities that they are compiling the figures and they will be forwarded to the Deputy as soon as they are available.

    That average age bit is rather telling - we need more young people in the sport!


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Interesting PQ put forward today:
    *129. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the position in relation to the surrender of firearms in 1972 from a person (details supplied) in Dublin 18; and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Billy Timmins. [5374/05]

    I'll post the answer as soon as it comes up on the website.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Well, that was... odd...
    129. Mr. Timmins asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the position in relation to the surrender of firearms in 1972 from a person (details supplied) in Dublin 18; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [5374/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I wish to inform the Deputy that the licensing of firearms is a matter for the local Garda district officer and I have no statutory function in the matter. I am informed by the Garda authorities that the weapon in question is stored at Garda Headquarters and that there is no record of any application being received from the person for the return of the firearm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    Anyone know if there's any way of finding out if there's anything in Dublin Castle (or wherever it is they have all the confiscated guns) that might have been the property of one's long since deceased relatives?
    There's got to be a load of firearms in there whose owners are long gone, and it'd be a pity for them to languish there in perpetuity if there was any chance of getting them passed on through the family.


    There might be a job for the Minister- get the Guards to contact the last registered owners (or their descendants) of all the stuff they have in storage!

    .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭Irishglockfan


    Two chances I would say on that Rovi!
    Excuse would be garda time used up,etc etc.
    Also i would question are ALL the weapons handed in in 1972 still there??
    Have heard the archtypal tale of intresting pieces being misappropiated by ,shall we say less than honest security personel for their own personel collections or "planting" activity.
    Might be a cause for a large amount of red facedness,butt covering,and stonewalling of the tax payer,not to mind enquiries,personal political histories being quickly rewritten etc.

    It sure would be intresting to be a fly on the wall to see what would happen if everyone showed enmasse with grandads old reclaim ticket at Garda HQ wanting their family heirlooms back :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    An interesting (if not solely linked to us) PQ today:
    *163. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if, in view of the commitments made in Regulating Better, he will publish the heads or draft amendments which he proposes to make to the Criminal Justice Bill 2005; and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Jim O’Keeffe. [8483/05]


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    163. Mr. J. O’Keeffe asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom if, in view of the commitments made in “Regulating Better”, he will publish the heads or draft amendments which he proposes to make to the Criminal Justice Bill 2005; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8483/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I made the general scheme of the Bill available to the Human Rights Commission and to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Womens’ Rights to encourage a broad debate on the proposals to be contained in the Criminal Justice Bill, prior to its publication. It is my intention to take the same approach to the proposed heads providing for amendments to the Bill as soon as I have obtained Government approval for the drafting of the amendments.

    Bit of a non-answer really :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    A question from April 12th which definitely isn't about us, but who's answer may wind up affecting us, as usual :(
    116. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if his attention has been drawn to the alarming growth in gun crime; his views on the need to take immediate legislative or other steps to ensure stiffer prison sentences for those found in possession of, or proven to have used firearms in the pursuit of crime; if his attention has further been drawn to the significance of the increased use of sawn-off shotguns and automatic assault weapons; his plans to address this increasingly serious threat to the lives and property of the citizens of the State; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [10818/05]

    776. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of gun crime incidents so far recorded in the past six months; if the type and nature of the weapons used is of particular significance; the action he plans to take to address this most serious issue; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11224/05]

    777. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the action he proposes to take to address the increasingly serious situation regarding the use of guns for criminal purposes; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11225/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I propose to take Questions Nos. 116, 776 and 777 together.

    While the number of cases of possession of firearms has decreased, it is a matter of concern to note a further increase in cases of discharge of firearms. I am conscious of the recent increase in violent crime involving firearms and the particular overriding necessity to ensure that public safety and security are given priority in any review of policy and legislation in respect of firearms. With this in mind, I have decided to bring forward at an early stage certain proposals for inclusion in the Criminal Justice Bill 2004. The Bill as published contains one of those proposals, namely, to provide for the secure custody of firearms. Other provisions will be brought forward in the form of amendments to the Bill on Committee Stage. The Bill is currently on Second Stage in the Dáil. These amendments will deal with better controls on the type of firearms which may be certified. They will further specify certain additional requirements which will have to be met by applicants for certificates and allow for the imposition of conditions on the granting of a certificate. They will include a provision allowing the deeming by order of firearms which may not be certified. I am considering increasing the sentences for the more serious range of such offences, including the possibility of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases, as well as new offences of illegally modifying a firearm, for example, sawing off a shotgun, and the imposition of severe penalties for this offence.

    I am satisfied that the necessary resources are being directed towards the containment and detection of such serious criminal activity. Investigations are undertaken by divisional and district garda officers at local level. All the necessary national support services are available to supplement these investigations, such as the Garda national bureau of criminal investigation.

    The following table gives figures for the number of headline offences recorded and detected. With regard to the weapons involved, 40% are recorded as shotguns and 37% as pistols.

    Headline Offences Recorded and Detected with a Firearm Involved 2004/2005*
    2004
    October Recorded: 49 Detected: 16
    November Recorded: 46 Detected: 16
    December Recorded: 59 Detected: 12
    2005
    January Recorded: 53 Detected: 33
    February Recorded: 39 Detected: 7
    March Recorded: 47 Detected: 13

    * Statistics provided are provisional, operational and liable to change

    (The table form has been altered so it could be posted here, but the content is the same).


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    These amendments will deal with better controls on the type of firearms which may be certified. They will further specify certain additional requirements which will have to be met by applicants for certificates and allow for the imposition of conditions on the granting of a certificate.

    Is this the first confirmation we've had on the nature of these amendments?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Well, the first in public anyway civ. I've heard that the DoJ's said in meetings with shooting groups that they're happy enough with fullbore rifles, smallbore rifles/pistols and air rifles/pistols, but that fullbore pistols will be licenced through the Minister rather than through the local Garda. It's vague language though - for example, the law already allows for the imposition of conditions on certificates, so long as it's the local Superintendent who's doing the imposing and it's an individual condition, not a blanket one. So what exactly he meant by saying it isn't very clear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    For example, the law already allows for the imposition of conditions on certificates

    Nope, it doesn't really -there is very little / no scope for applying conditions on a cert once it's granted - eg where the firearm is to be used etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Dvs


    Hello All,
    Is it just me or does it seem that the Minister is missing the point!
    (quote)
    Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if his attention has been drawn to the alarming growth in gun crime; his views on the need to take immediate legislative or other steps to ensure stiffer prison sentences for those found in possession of, or proven to have used firearms in the pursuit of crime;
    (/quote)

    And the Minsters response,

    (quote)
    The Bill is currently on Second Stage in the Dáil. These amendments will deal with better controls on the type of firearms which may be certified. They will further specify certain additional requirements which will have to be met by applicants for certificates and allow for the imposition of conditions on the granting of a certificate. They will include a provision allowing the deeming by order of firearms which may not be certified. I am considering increasing the sentences for the more serious range of such offences, including the possibility of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases, as well as new offences of illegally modifying a firearm, for example, sawing off a shotgun, and the imposition of severe penalties for this offence.
    (/quote)

    Perhaps the Minister could publish the number of Firearms applications that have been submitted by criminals involved in gun crime !

    If as i suspect the number is zero,
    then perhaps the efforts of the Minister would be better directed to controlling pursuing and convicting the said criminals,
    instead of imposing further conditions on law abiding people who are involved in shooting sports and respect law and order.

    Dvs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    civdef wrote:
    Nope, it doesn't really -there is very little / no scope for applying conditions on a cert once it's granted - eg where the firearm is to be used etc.
    Sorry, I wasn't very clear there civ - I was talking about the garda putting individual conditions on an applicant before the cert is granted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    From tomorrow's questions:
    *209. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform further to
    Parliamentary Question No. 321 of 20 April 2005, the number of firearm certificates or
    licences that were endorsed in the terms specified in section 2(d) of the Wildlife Acts 1976
    and 2000 in each of the years between 2000 and 2004; the number of forearm certificates,
    and the gun categories involved, that were issued in each of these years; and if he will
    make a statement on the matter. — Emmet Stagg. [13815/05]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭jaycee


    the number of forearm certificates
    :D:D:D

    Ohhhh nooooo ....

    Does this mean that if I wear long sleeve jumpers ..
    I would be guilty of carrying concealed arms ...??? :confused::D:D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    From the transcripts:
    209. Mr. Stagg asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, further to Parliamentary Question No. 321 of 20 April 2005, the number of firearm certificates or licences that were endorsed in the terms specified in section 2(d) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 and 2000 in each of the years between 2000 and 2004; the number of forearm certificates, and the gun categories involved, that were issued in each of these years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [13815/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): With regard to the Deputy’s reference to the endorsement of firearm certificates under section 2(d) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 to 2000, there is no such provision. However, there is a provision under section 29 of the Wildlife Act 1976 which permits the hunting and killing of exempted wild mammals and birds. The Garda authorities inform me that these figures are not readily available.

    However, the figures for the total number of firearm certificates granted in each of the years between 2000 and 2004 are set out in the table.
    Category          2000        2001       2002       2003       2004 
    Rifles/Air Rifles   39,850     40,281     41,650    43,246     45,225
    Shotguns          167,202   166,231   167,157   168,640   168,177
    Crossbows         60          64           68          68          74
    Pistols/Revolvers 0            0            0            0           120
    Total                207,112   206,576   208,875   211,954   213,596
    

    Can't believe they had that same spelling mistake twice! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    Sparks wrote:
    Can't believe they had that same spelling mistake twice! :D
    Its as bit like the old perennial favourite argument on the American forums, does their constitution allow them to give guns to grizzlies (the right to 'arm bears'), or to wear t-shirts (the right to 'bare arms')??? :D

    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    From this morning's oral questions to McDowell;
    5. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform his views on the
    upsurge in the level of gun crime, robberies and hostage-taking; and the steps he has taken
    to deal with the activities of armed gangs to bring them to justice. — Jim O’Keeffe.
    [16224/05]
    Again, one of those things that has nothing to do with us, but somehow always manages to affect us :(

    And it wasn't alone either:
    *260. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of cases
    of murder in which firearms where used in respect of each year from 1998 to 2005 to date;
    the number of such cases in which prosecutions for murder have been initiated; the
    number of such cases in which convictions have been secured; if he has satisfied himself
    with the level of detection and conviction in such cases; and if he will make a statement
    on the matter. — Joe Costello. [16262/05]
    *312. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if he will examine the
    merits of introducing a gun amnesty accompanied by more severe penalties including
    possible mandatory sentencing for the possession and discharging of illegally held firearms.
    — John Curran. [16484/05]
    *314. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if he proposes to take
    any particular action to address the rapidly escalating problem of gun crime; and if he will
    make a statement on the matter. — Bernard J. Durkan. [16487/05]
    *315. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of fatal
    shootings that have taken place in the past five years; his plans to address the issue; and
    if he will make a statement on the matter. — Bernard J. Durkan. [16488/05]
    *316. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform his proposals to
    confront those in the criminal underworld who specialise in the supply of firearms for
    unlawful purposes; and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Bernard J. Durkan.
    [16489/05]
    *317. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the action he proposes
    to take to deal with the situation of the sale, supply and use of illegal firearms in the State;
    and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Bernard J. Durkan. [16490/05]
    *324. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of armed
    robberies reported in County Kildare in the past five years; if the perpetrators have been
    convicted; and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Bernard J. Durkan. [16497/05]


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    The oral question's answer is up now (and we've all heard it on the news as well, as Operation Anvil), but here's the answer, just for completeness and because it does mention us...
    5. Mr. J. O’Keeffe asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform his views on the upsurge in the level of gun crime, robberies and hostage-taking; and the steps he has taken to deal with the activities of armed gangs to bring them to justice. [16224/05]

    6. Mr. Costello asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the steps being taken to deal with the surge of serious crime over the past few months, including the spate of gangland style killings, robberies of cash in transit consignments and abductions and kidnappings; if he intends to provide additional resources to the Garda to help it combat these killings; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16261/05]


    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I propose to take Questions Nos. 5 and 6 together.

    I have outlined previously to the House the extensive range of measures which have been taken to deal with the types of crime referred to in the questions. Those measures will, of course, continue.

    I have been concerned for some time, and this is a concern shared on all sides of the House, that serious offences which have been taking place have made evident the emergence of a gun culture in Dublin. This, sadly, has been manifest in the number of fatal shootings that have taken place, particularly in recent weeks. Those deaths will be comprehensively investigated, as will the incidents of armed robberies and other gun crimes which have taken place. The Garda Commissioner advises me that he is confident of success in a number of those investigations.

    The Garda has amassed a considerable amount of intelligence about gun crime in Dublin and has a very clear picture of what is going on. Both the Garda Commissioner and I, in the course of intensive discussions in recent days, have agreed that the time is now ripe to build on that work in ways that will strike at the heart of the gun culture which has emerged.

    I can report to the House that last night the Garda Síochána launched Operation Anvil. This is one of the most intensive special policing operations ever undertaken in the State. It will be intelligence-driven and will be aimed at those involved in gun crime of any kind in the Dublin metropolitan region.

    Its cost will amount to €6.5 million, which I have made available from my Department’s allocation for this year, in addition to other allocations to the Garda Síochána. It will involve about 15,000 additional hours overtime being worked each week by gardaí in the Dublin area. This expenditure will not adversely affect existing agreed overtime allocations across Garda divisions, including those for the Dublin metropolitan division.

    It would be counterproductive for me to give precise details of what will be involved in Operation Anvil but it will involve divisional uniform and detective patrols throughout the region, backed up by national units, overt and covert operations, mobile and foot patrols, random checkpoints at specific locations, extensive searches, execution of warrants and gathering and collation of high quality criminal intelligence. The Commissioner is adamant this will not be done by sucking in those involved in community policing, depriving that area of the necessary manpower. The operation will be focused, sustained, targeted and relentless.

    One feature of the gun culture that has emerged is the apparent belief on the part of some criminals that they are not bound by or subject to the laws of the land. Nobody is above the law and, likewise, nobody is beneath the protection of the law. Operation Anvil is intended to supplement existing operations to ensure that lawlessness does not prevail, that the threat posed by these criminals is met sternly and effectively and, above all else, human life is respected.

    While our legislation for tackling organised crime is one of the toughest in Europe, I propose it is strengthened further. The Criminal Justice Bill 2004, which is on Second Stage in the House, provides for a comprehensive package of anti-crime measures which will enhance Garda powers in the investigation and prosecution of offences. These include a general power on the issue of search warrants, including a superintendent’s right to issue an emergency search warrant in certain circumstances, increased detention powers of up to 24 hours for arrestable offences and a statutory power to preserve a crime scene. Part 3 makes provision for the admissibility as evidence in court of statements by witnesses who subsequently refuse to testify or retract their original statements. I am considering introducing several amendments, including a proposal to provide for criminal offences for the participation in a criminal organisation, as requested by the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women’s Rights.
    And now the stuff that directly refers to us shows up...
    With the recent increase in violent crime involving firearms, there is an overriding necessity to ensure public safety and security are given priority in any review of policy and legislation on firearms. I have decided to bring forward proposals in the context of the Criminal Justice Bill to provide the secure custody of firearms, minimum sentences and new offences for modifying firearms, such as the sawing off of a shotgun barrel. I intend to provide for severe penalties for the possession of sawn-off shotguns and the modification of shotguns.

    I ask all sides of the House to help me expedite these measures in a genuine spirit of co-operation. I ask all Members to welcome the measures the Garda Commissioner has put in place since last night, which will be a substantial and unprecedented operation against gun crime in Dublin city.
    It's a pity that, even after admitting that they don't keep the statistics to back it up, that the claim's still being made that stolen firearms are the source of criminally abused firearms :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Debate on the answer continued:
    Mr. J. O’Keeffe: At long last the Minister has stirred himself, even if only by making available funding of €6.5 million to the Garda Síochána. This should be of some help and I wish the force every success with the provision of an additional 15,000 hours in overtime.

    Are we clear on the extent of the gun crime problem? The rate of crimes involving guns is unprecedented, with a minimum of one murder a week and robberies of ATMs and cash in transit, with large amounts of moneys being taken out of the system by criminals. The Minister will have the co-operation of all sides of the House on necessary legislation. I suggest, however, he circulates his proposals on making membership of an armed gang a criminal offence. It should be published on a separate basis to the Criminal Justice Bill so that it can be passed quickly by the House. It may be tied up if it is locked into the Criminal Justice Bill as there are many other issues in the Bill that need to be teased out.

    Will the Minister also consider introducing legislation on hostage-taking? I appreciate serious penalties exist for false imprisonment. However, to mark our absolute revulsion at hostage-taking, it should be set out as a separate offence. It is all very well to have certain penalties for stealing, but stealing involving hostage-taking must be a separate offence. I urge the Minister to examine this and I assure him he will have co-operation from this side of the House if legislation is introduced. We have legislation dealing with hostage-taking with regard to international crime but not domestic crime. If it is sufficiently important to deal with it internationally, why not take it into account in our domestic legislation?

    Regarding resources, the Garda is welcome to the 15,000 hours of overtime, but can the Minister take any further urgent steps to ensure the Garda will have the support it needs on a continuing basis, in terms of manpower and equipment? The Garda operates with equipment to which armed gangs have ready access. There is no encryption or security in their walkie-talkie equipment, which is 20 years out of date. The Garda PULSE computer system also needs to be upgraded. Can we urgently provide the Garda with the necessary resources on a continuing basis?

    Could the Minister give an analysis of the situation regarding armed gangs in the country? It is important that the public know. I have heard that there are 17 armed gangs. Is that correct? How many people are involved? I know the Minister cannot name names, certainly not in these circumstances, but would it be important in terms of alerting the public to the situation in full, and giving it more information as to who is involved, their numbers, the extent of the problem and the number of gangs involved? The public should also be told about the weaponry involved. In the past three years, some 1,300 weapons have been stolen, while I do not know how many have been smuggled into the country. The public is concerned, and entitled to the information available. If it had it, the public could be of assistance to the Garda in dealing with the horrendous problem facing us.
    My emphasis added here. Does that number (1300 stolen firearms in three years) sound reasonable to people?
    Mr. McDowell: I welcome Deputy O’Keeffe’s support for getting on with the core legislative requirements to deal with the problem. Although some of the provisions of the Criminal Justice Bill are controversial, most of the central ones, such as detention, search and scene preservation powers will assist the Garda Síochána in the fight against this kind of crime.

    Regarding crime involving organised gangs, the Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women’s Rights has considered the matter and I am moving on Committee Stage to meet that committee’s thought-out proposals.

    Hostage-taking is a form of false imprisonment——

    Mr. J. O’Keeffe: A gross form.

    Mr. McDowell: ——and a very serious offence for which the penalty is life imprisonment. I heard Deputy O’Keeffe on radio discussing whether we should regard hostage-taking as a separate species, so to speak, but we should remember that the penalty for false imprisonment can be life imprisonment. I do not want to speak entirely off the cuff, but perhaps a case can be made for a minimum sentence where a threat is made to the life of an individual. Almost anything, even putting someone in a cupboard, can be false imprisonment, but when someone’s life is threatened for the purpose of committing another felony, there may be a case for a minimum sentence. We could consider that on Committee Stage of the Criminal Justice Bill.

    It is true that depending on one’s definition of a gang, there are between 15 and 30 groups of people here who confederate to commit offences. At this stage I do not want to say much about them, but in case the Deputy thinks these figures are conjured up, I have seen spreadsheets with the names of people involved, an elaboration, a map, so to speak, of how these gangs are organised and inter-related. It is not as if the Garda is blundering about with no strategic view of the problems.

    Deputy O’Keeffe should note that there is a clear pattern of people who in the past were members of paramilitary bodies, now using for their private ends all the thuggish skills they developed and the mercilessness they exhibited, threatening and killing innocent people, and shooting people in the head. On a number of recent occasions, intelligence briefings have suggested to me that former so-called patriots have now taken to the most appalling thuggery to enrich themselves.

    Regarding firearms, the theft of shotguns in particular is a serious matter. One of the proposals among the Committee Stage amendments of the Criminal Justice Bill is to create a mandatory regime for secure custody of firearms in the houses of those who have them for lawful purposes. I will deal with that on Committee Stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    continued...
    Mr. Costello: I welcome what the Minister said about giving €6.5 million to Operation Anvil, but I remind the Minister that just before Christmas he provided some €4 million to what I believe was Operation Crossover, for the months of November and December. Once the money and overtime hours are gone, the resources are gone and we are back to square one. If I recall correctly, it was in November that the Minister came out with the rather flamboyant expression: “ I don’t believe there is any new energy in crime in Dublin”. That was in November 2004. The Minister said he believed the situation then was “to some extent, the sting of the dying wasp”. Since then, there have been ten or 12 gangland-type killings, so the Minister is clearly out of touch in this matter.

    What we are now getting is a belated response by the Minister in an effort to show the public he is doing something about the situation, though he made no effort to prevent any of these killings or to bring the perpetrators to justice. When the €6.5 million is spent, we will be back to square one again. Can the Minister now give us some commitment that we will not merely get a small pool of money for use on a once-off mechanism, with the plan, if there is one, to be then thrown aside once again? Can we have the commitment in resources and personnel on an ongoing basis? The Minister might outline to us how he would provide something of this nature. When a person is shot dead emerging from Mountjoy Prison, in broad daylight, the situation is clearly out of control.

    Will the Minister agree that one of the reasons there are so many killings by these hit-men, who are paid by criminal gangsters with access to drugs, and a great deal of money as a result, is that the hit-men are at virtually no risk of detection, prosecution or imprisonment? In the past five years, the detection and prosecution rate has been only 16%, the lowest such rate for all headline offences. If one commits a gangland murder, one is less likely to be punished for that than for any other headline crime one might commit. What will the Minister do about that?

    Regarding security firms, is it a fact that we currently have no licence scheme, regulations or standards for any of the security operations here, and that some 26,000 security personnel go merrily about their business while there are no proper standards or vetting procedures in place? Can the Minister give us some idea of when the private security services legislation will be in operation to the extent that it will have some meaning?

    With regard to the gun culture, what will the Minister do about the enormous number of weapons that are available in this country? The Minister indicated that some of these are paramilitary weapons, some are smuggled weapons while others are stolen, but having that knowledge is not good enough. What steps will he take to get those weapons out of circulation?

    Mr. McDowell: I act in conjunction with the Garda Commissioner in the allocation of funds. Operation Crossover, to which the Deputy referred, was a successful operation. It targeted specific areas on the western side of this city and had a significant effect.

    Mr. Costello: Everything is now back to square one.

    Mr. McDowell: We are by no means back to square one. There was a significant improvement in the situation arising from Operation Crossover. I attended the opening of a new offenders’ transition home in the Blanchardstown area some days ago and, on that occasion, voluntary groups who are concerned with crime in the Blanchardstown area reported to me that there had been a dramatic improvement in policing in their area, with which they were happy, and that the improvement was being sustained. I congratulate local Garda management for reallocating its resources to produce this greater visibility.

    It is true that I believed last year that, as a result of Operation Crossover, the organisations of major players had been broken up and that they were effectively on the run. However, others have stepped into their shoes and the Garda Commissioner has asked me for these extra resources. Deputy Costello would ask why these are not available all the time and would suggest that there should be no particular set of operations but constant overtime and the attendant constant flows of money.

    Mr. Costello: I am not saying that, I am saying the opposite.

    Mr. McDowell: It is important that when we engage in a certain type of expenditure, we keep it under review to assess whether it has lost its vitality and whether it is yielding dividends.

    Mr. Costello: I am seeking ongoing resources.

    Mr. McDowell: It would be easy to simply tell the Garda Commissioner that he can have as much money as he wants which can be spent as he wishes, but I cannot do that and I accept the Deputy is not inviting me to do it. I cannot operate on the basis of proclaiming that there is no limit to overtime and that the Garda can do what it wants at any time. If that psychology took hold, we would simply see diminishing returns.

    I thank the Opposition Deputies for heeding my call last year to pass the legislation establishing the Private Security Authority of Ireland. The authority is now up and running in Tipperary, its chief executive has been appointed and it is currently putting in place the licensing regime for cash in transit companies. I outlined previously to the House the issues that arose in this area and the 120 day period which I had allowed the banks and cash in transit companies to get their houses in order.

    Mr. Costello: Do not give them any time.

    Mr. McDowell: I could click my fingers and demand that it be done tomorrow but if it is necessary to buy equipment and to establish new training regimes for the workforce and so forth, time is required. However, I should make clear to the chairmen of the banks, most of whom I know personally and whom I hope will hear my remarks because they keep an eye on what happens in this House, that I am not bluffing about the 120 day period. If they think that on day 119 they can begin to engage in this process, they are greatly mistaken. I urge them to act on this now because I will not hesitate to impose a regime on the banks which will allow me to direct the level of security for which they must pay. This country deserves protection from those who steal large sums of money because it is they who will later take other people’s lives and invest the proceeds in drugs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭Gun Shy


    Sound familar to anyone remember what happened when Veronica was shot, lots of activity for a few months then budget cutbacks on Garda OT and we end up no better off.

    Should be called "Operation Summer Break" instead caus thats what will happen. All the real big players will be heading off for a 3 month vacation to spain and will be back when things cool down.

    The undertone of the Ministers statements dont loo ktoo good for us do they.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Answers to the written questions came out today:
    38. Mr. Broughan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of cases of murder in which firearms were used in respect of each year from 1998 and to date; the number of such cases in which prosecutions for murder have been initiated; the number of such cases in which convictions have been secured; if he is satisfied with the level of detection and conviction in such cases; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16114/05]

    260. Mr. Costello asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of cases of murder in which firearms where used in respect of each year from 1998 to 2005 to date; the number of such cases in which prosecutions for murder have been initiated; the number of such cases in which convictions have been secured; if he is satisfied with the level of detection and conviction in such cases; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16262/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I propose to take Questions Nos. 38 and 260 together.

    I am informed by the Garda authorities that the following table shows the number of murders in which firearms where used in respect of each year from 1998 to 16 May 2005.

    As the Deputy is aware, the Director of Public Prosecutions is statutorily independent in the performance of his function and it would, therefore, be inappropriate for me to comment on his decisions. Furthermore, judges are independent in the exercise of their judicial functions and subject only to the Constitution and the law. It would therefore be inappropriate for me to comment on their decisions also.

    Murders involving Firearms 1998 to 16 May 2005
    Year Recorded Detected Proceedings Commenced Convictions
    1998 4 3 2 1
    1999 12 7 7 5
    2000 11 6 5 2
    2001 9 4 2 2
    2002 10 4 4 2
    2003 20 8 4 1
    *2004 9 6 5 1
    *2005 8 1 1 0

    *Figures for 2004 and 2005 are operational and liable to change.

    I am informed by the Garda authorities that murders involving the use of firearms tend to have lower conviction rates than other murders. This is not unique to Ireland. The number of violent deaths, murder and manslaughter, recorded in 2004 is 45, the lowest number recorded in ten years, despite our population increasing by 400,000 during the same period.


    312. Mr. Curran asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if he will examine the merits of introducing a gun amnesty accompanied by more severe penalties including possible mandatory sentencing for the possession and discharging of illegally held firearms. [16484/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): On Committee Stage of the Criminal Justice Bill 2004, I propose to introduce measures to provide that firearms and other offensive weapons may be surrendered to the Garda. I will also be proposing a range of measures to increase sentences for more serious range of firearms offences, including the introduction of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases. My full range of proposals will be announced to the House in the normal way in due course.
    314. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if he proposes to take any particular action to address the rapidly escalating problem of gun crime; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16487/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): I refer the Deputy to my replies of today’s date to Parliamentary Questions Nos. 5 and 6.
    315. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of fatal shootings that have taken place in the past five years; his plans to address the issue; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16488/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): It has not been possible to compile the information requested in the timeframe allowed. I will arrange for the information to be forwarded directly to the Deputy at the earliest opportunity.
    316. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform his proposals to confront those in the criminal underworld who specialise in the supply of firearms for unlawful purposes; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16489/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): On Committee Stage of the Criminal Justice Bill 2004, I propose to introduce measures to provide that firearms and other offensive weapons may be surrendered to the Garda. I will also be proposing a range of measures to increase sentences for more serious range of firearms offences, including the introduction of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases. My full range of proposals will be announced to the House in the normal way in due course.

    I am informed by the Garda authorities that the national bureau of criminal investigation has successfully targeted and prosecuted several of gangs involved in this type of criminality and that a number of firearms have been recovered or seized. I also refer the Deputy to my answer to Question No. 6 today.
    317. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the action he proposes to take to deal with the situation of the sale, supply and use of illegal firearms in the State; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16490/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): There is a particular overriding necessity to ensure that public safety and security are given priority in any review of policy and legislation for firearms. I have decided to introduce at an early stage, certain proposals for inclusion in the Criminal Justice Bill. The Bill, as published, contains one of those proposals, to provide for the secure custody of firearms. Other provisions will be introduced through amendments on Committee Stage. These will deal with better controls on the type of firearms which may be certified. They will further specify certain additional requirements which will have to be met by applicants for certificates and allow for the imposition of conditions on the granting of a certificate. They will include a provision allowing the deeming by order of firearms which may not be certified.

    Sentences for the more serious range of firearms offences will be increased, including the possibility of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases, as well as new offences of illegally modifying a firearm, for example, sawing off a shotgun barrel, and the imposition of severe penalties for this offence. I also refer the Deputy to my reply to today’s Question Nos. 5 and 6.
    My emphasis. Is anyone else thinking "uh-oh", either at what he said, or at the response to a question on illegal firearms being a suggestion of further restrictions on legal ones?
    324. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of armed robberies reported in County Kildare in the past five years; if the perpetrators have been convicted; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16497/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): It has not been possible to compile the information requested in the timeframe allowed. I will arrange for the information to be forwarded directly to the Deputy at the earliest opportunity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭jaycee


    Is anyone else thinking "uh-oh",

    Well ..me for one .!


    If there was a little bit more of all this "Openess and transparency " we keep hearing about , I would be a lot less nervous. It isn't impossible to imagine a steamroller that may very well roll over our toes before we even get the opportunity to shout STOP..!

    It's very difficult to have a meaningful dialogue ..if we aren't told what proposals are being considered ... And I have to wonder why .. :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭allnight_2002



    317. Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the action he proposes to take to deal with the situation of the sale, supply and use of illegal firearms in the State; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16490/05]

    Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell): There is a particular overriding necessity to ensure that public safety and security are given priority in any review of policy and legislation for firearms. I have decided to introduce at an early stage, certain proposals for inclusion in the Criminal Justice Bill. The Bill, as published, contains one of those proposals, to provide for the secure custody of firearms. Other provisions will be introduced through amendments on Committee Stage. These will deal with better controls on the type of firearms which may be certified. They will further specify certain additional requirements which will have to be met by applicants for certificates and allow for the imposition of conditions on the granting of a certificate. They will include a provision allowing the deeming by order of firearms which may not be certified.
    Sentences for the more serious range of firearms offences will be increased, including the possibility of mandatory minimum sentences in some cases, as well as new offences of illegally modifying a firearm, for example, sawing off a shotgun barrel, and the imposition of severe penalties for this offence. I also refer the Deputy to my reply to today’s Question Nos. 5 and 6.

    This is some thing I am worried about. Especial as the question was about the sale and supply of illegal firearms. Yet the ministers answer applied to imposing restrictions on legally held firearms. Yet again it is we, the law abiding citizens of the shooting community that are being made to jump through hoops to met all of these conditions on the granting of a firearms certificate. Yet none of us have been asked as to what measures we believe would best serve all involved. I personally have no problems with secure storage of firearms but what is secure storage. Will a gun safe suffice, do we all need monitored alarms just what would be considered secure storage. Do we need more security measures in our homes the more guns we try to license. There is only so much any one of us can do to prevent the theft of firearms. I am sure that no one here wants to see one of their guns stolen. But how many legal held firearms end up been used in illegal activity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    But how many legal held firearms end up been used in illegal activity.
    We actually asked that a while ago, it's on the second page in this thread. The answer was:
    A breakdown of the offences by reference to whether or not the weapon used was legally held is not readily available and could only be obtained by a disproportionate expenditure of Garda time and resources.


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭allnight_2002


    Sparks wrote:
    A breakdown of the offences by reference to whether or not the weapon used was legally held is not readily available and could only be obtained by a disproportionate expenditure of Garda time and resources:

    I had see this quote earlier in the thread but was hoping that since them they may have managed to get some figure to try and justify there attitude to us shooters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    Of course the question now arises, what firearms are going to be banned via ministerial order?

    ANyone heard lately what way things are leaning?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    An interesting one tomorrow:
    *577. To ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if action will be taken against a web site (details supplied) which facilitates the shooting of live animals via the internet; and if he will make a statement on the matter. Tony Gregory. [19029/05]


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