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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #6662
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    They voted to remove the 8th amendment from the constitution.

    You don't have to start name calling by saying I am a liar. It surely isn't that hard to be civil, I can disagree and stay civil about things. It would be nice if one could receive similar civility.

    Coming from somebody who would have been quite happy for the referendum not to be passed and women to have to continue to make the trip to england i find that a bit hypocritical. Civility should extend a bit further than the person you are talking to at any particular time. You showed absolutely no civility to women affected by the 8th during the referendum campaign.


  • #6663
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    RobertKK wrote: »
    They voted to remove the 8th amendment from the constitution.

    .

    Yeah, and when everyone thought it was going to be close , the no side tried to scaremonger by saying the proposals would all come to fruition. Thinking people would reject it. Instead they overwhelmingly supported it.

    Time for people to shut up and let what the voting public voted for to be introduced.


  • #6664
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,980 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Time for people to shut up and let what the voting public voted for to be introduced.

    doesn't work like that, i'm afraid. i thought you are in favour of democracy?

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • #6665
    amdublin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    end of the road wrote: »
    doesn't work like that, i'm afraid. i thought you are in favour of democracy?

    Oh great. End of the road. Back with their anti choice agenda again


  • #6666
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,315 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    amdublin wrote: »
    Oh great. End of the road. Back with their anti choice agenda again
    I really like that poster.
    For one reason, they "thanks spam" a lot. Meaning they don't post a lot but they thank a lot of posts. It means that any time a post is thanked by them (especially if it's only them) it is likely a nonsense post and can be ignored.


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  • #6667
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I'm sorry but we live in a democracy, and you wanted the politicians to have the power over this issue. Now that is a problem too...

    Politicians need to give representations for the views of their constituents - not their own personal views. THAT is anti democratic.


  • #6668
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I really like that poster.
    For one reason, they "thanks spam" a lot. Meaning they don't post a lot but they thank a lot of posts. It means that any time a post is thanked by them (especially if it's only them) it is likely a nonsense post and can be ignored.

    End o thanks spams because they get banned from most threads for posting nonsense.


  • #6669
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    According to that article, the only amendments that might conceivably be passed by the Senate are liberalising ones..

    This nearly happened:
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/1213/1016979-politics-abortion-bill/
    On Tuesday, a group of pro-choice senators put forward an amendment at committee stage seeking to remove the word "serious", because they felt the risk of threat of harm to a woman should be a high enough threshold to access to abortion.
    The amendment was put to a vote at Report Stage today and defeated by 15 votes to 12; which means the word "serious" remains.

    But it didn't, so full steam ahead:
    Speaking on RTÉ's Drivetime, Ms Noone - who chaired the Oireachtas committee on the Eighth Amendment - said she expects the legislation to reach President Michael D Higgins' desk "very, very soon."


  • #6670
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How was he going to block it?
    He had every right to have his voice heard in the Seanad, as did every other senator.
    Debating a bill in the houses of Oireachtas should have varied opinion, otherwise we have a serious problem in this country.

    You talk about people blocking. I would be seriously concerned with our parliament if people who were elected in either chamber and were not allowed to oppose a bill. What is happening with this bill. Politicians oppose all the time in our parliament.
    All I see is people getting their knickers in knots because it is Ronan Mullen, who has every right to oppose if he as a legislator believes so.
    ..

    Well then maybe the good senator should have spent more time putting forward more of his own well thought out amendments instead of putting forward word for word ammendments from Mattie et al , that had been defeated in the dail.
    Even if by some miracle they got passed in the seanad they would have been rejected again in the dail.
    Nothing but an attempt at delaying the bill to make himself feel better and get back pat's from the anti choice/religious groupies.
    People aren't giving out because Ronan used his voice. It because he didn't use his voice for anything meaningful.


  • #6671
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/every-county-bar-two-has-gps-willing-to-carry-out-abortions-893245.html
    Every county, bar two, has GPs willing to carry out abortions

    Fun guessing game:P: Leitrim? Roscommon?

    Any word of MDH signing the bill? I thought it was supposed to be this week.


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  • #6672
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    According to the constitution it has to be signed within 5 to 7 days of being submitted to him. It can't be sooner than that.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #6673
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    According to the constitution it has to be signed within 5 to 7 days of being submitted to him. It can't be sooner than that.

    Bill completed its passage through the Seanad on thursday night but it's not clear when it was 'submitted' to the Pres. How does that work anyway, slipped through the Aras letterbox? If that happened at some stage on Friday, then I suppose MDH has to put his John Hancock on it tomorrow if the proprieties are to be observed...


  • #6674
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    It can't be sooner than that.

    it can

    with the agreement of the Oireachtas the President can be asked to sign sooner. However, I presume he hasn't been asked to.


  • #6675
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    How does that work anyway, slipped through the Aras letterbox?

    Army deliver it to Aras and it is formally received there


  • #6676
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/abortion-becomes-legal-in-ireland-for-first-time-after-bill-signed-by-president-1.3738504

    It's done


  • #6677
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Trent Houseboat wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/abortion-becomes-legal-in-ireland-for-first-time-after-bill-signed-by-president-1.3738504

    It's done

    Honestly never thought I’d see the day in my lifetime. :) (before the referendum results, I mean. Obvs I knew it was going to happen after the ref happened)


  • #6678
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    :)



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  • #6679
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    It’s such a mess isn’t it?

    Huge amount of GPs and consultants (media hasn’t picked up on this yet) won’t take part in this and as far as I can make out simple Simon is just whistling hoping something drastic will change.


  • #6680
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    What is a 'huge amount' and what prevents they clients from simply going to others who will?

    No need to hope though, something drastic has changed today already.


  • #6681
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Of course there will be a handful of GPs who will take part but the vast majority won’t.

    If you want to know why then direct your queries to simple Simon

    Define a handful
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/abortion-taoiseach-says-around-60-gps-can-provide-service-1.3526634
    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said he thinks 50 or 60 GPs would be sufficient to carry out abortions given that just six women in Ireland seek medical abortions every day.

    Guarantee you the number participating will be a multiple of that


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  • #6682
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Of course there will be a handful of GPs who will take part but the vast majority won’t.

    If you want to know why then direct your queries to simple Simon

    The vast majority don't need to. Contrary to what the anti choice side spouted before the referendum there isn't going to be a swarm of woman rushing to the doctor's because their holidays are going to be upset. The country only needs a couple of hundred doctors, which they will have no problem in getting. I'll will take a couple of months to get to full coverage.


  • #6683
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This is a service that will be availed of by about 80 women per week. Don't know the number of GPs signed up but a relatively small number scattered across the country should have little difficulty providing an adequate service.


  • #6684
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    It’s such a mess isn’t it?

    Huge amount of GPs and consultants (media hasn’t picked up on this yet) won’t take part in this and as far as I can make out simple Simon is just whistling hoping something drastic will change.

    Each county only needs a smattering of GPs taking part to easily cover demand.


  • #6685
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Of course there will be a handful of GPs who will take part but the vast majority won’t.

    If you want to know why then direct your queries to simple Simon

    Care to back that up with... Anything?


  • #6686
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    The Irish Family Planning Association have announced they intend to provide abortion services up to 9 weeks in the New Year:
    "The Irish Family Planning Association provides a full range of sexual and reproductive health services in its two not-for-profit medical clinics at 5-7 Cathal Brugha St, Dublin 1; and Level 3, The Square Tallaght, Dublin 24. The clinics will begin taking appointments for the new abortion care service on Wednesday 2nd January 2019 for the first appointments on Monday 7th January 2019."

    They've also said it's dependent on the necessary supports and protocols being in place.
    "IFPA Medical Director, Dr Caitriona Henchion, said: “Our abortion care service can only begin as planned if the medication and pregnancy tests are supplied on time, and the protocols for rhesus testing and the provision of anti-D are finalised. Most important is the referral pathway.

    “Our clinics will be providing early medical abortions up to nine weeks’ gestation. Patients who have their first appointment with us and are between nine and 12 weeks pregnant will need to be referred for hospital care. We cannot arrange those first appointments until we are certain those referral pathways are in place.”


  • #6687
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    The Irish Family Planning Association have announced they intend to provide abortion services up to 9 weeks in the New Year:

    And... does the new law prevent protests? Because it'll be tested probably starting just after new year's. Maybe the GDPR can be brought to bear on some of the 'pro-life' types - if they take photos (for example), without consent they can be liable for major damage.


  • #6688
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Let's counter-protest! I'm sure those who had those angels' wings can dig them out of the attic...

    GDPR or not there's no law against taking photos or video in a public place as there is no expectation of privacy.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #6689
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    The Irish Family Planning Association have announced they intend to provide abortion services up to 9 weeks in the New Year:



    They've also said it's dependent on the necessary supports and protocols being in place.

    What's your point? This seems fairly logical to me?


  • #6690
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    BBFAN wrote: »
    What's your point? This seems fairly logical to me?

    No point as such. Just informing posters. It was expected that the IFPA would offer abortion services, but I think it's useful all the same to see them confirm the details and start dates of their service.

    And it's also a useful counterpoint to those who claim (without evidence) that only a handful of GPs will provide abortion services in early pregnancy, because it shows that GP clinics won't be the only places where these services will be available.


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  • #6691
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Igotadose wrote: »
    And... does the new law prevent protests? Because it'll be tested probably starting just after new year's. Maybe the GDPR can be brought to bear on some of the 'pro-life' types - if they take photos (for example), without consent they can be liable for major damage.

    I think Harris said a law on exclusion zones will be introduced next year. In the meantime, any demonstrations/protests will be subject to the current public order laws.

    And I don't think GDPR can be used to stop taking photos in public places. However, I think it can prevent the distribution or publication of those photos without the express consent of those who are identifiable in the photos. Not a GDPR expert though, so don't quote me on that.


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