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Google Staff stage walkout?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,634 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Can't find a thread on this here
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/google-employees-to-walk-out-in-protest-at-treatment-of-women-37481348.html


    "Google employees to walk out in protest at treatment of women"



    This is the latest in the long long line of stupid milennial BS "protests". I hope all of those snowflakes that walk off the job today get subjected to disciplinary process.


    Opinions?


    My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    VinLieger wrote: »
    My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.


    I didn’t read the OP as getting worked up at all? Annoying, yeah, and I can understand why, but let’s not go exaggerating like a couple of Google employees :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭B-D-P--


    Whats the reason for this claim,

    From the article its
    "women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

    You live in a male dominated world of IT.

    In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
    So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
    Yes I said Ducking :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,316 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    VinLieger wrote: »
    My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.
    Que?
    Who is worked up? I'm laughing at them over my morning coffee break. :cool:


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Can't find a thread on this here
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/google-employees-to-walk-out-in-protest-at-treatment-of-women-37481348.html


    "Google employees to walk out in protest at treatment of women"



    This is the latest in the long long line of stupid milennial BS "protests". I hope all of those snowflakes that walk off the job today get subjected to disciplinary process.


    Opinions?

    So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

    How exactly have you managed that?

    Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

    Have a day off, OP.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Anyone of the Dublin staff doing it?


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    B-D-P-- wrote: »
    Whats the reason for this claim,

    From the article its
    "women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

    You live in a male dominated world of IT.

    In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
    So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.

    And the 'unsavoury behaviour' bit?

    I just think it's mental that people can form an opinion on this when they haven't seen or experienced what goes on in this particular scenario.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Ah come on now, what if they have a point?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

    How exactly have you managed that?

    Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

    Have a day off, OP.


    Where is the OP getting outraged and very offended?

    Am I sounding outraged and very offended now because I asked that question?

    Exactly. That is exactly how stupid it sounds.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Standman wrote: »
    Ah come on now, what if they have a point?

    Nope, they're just snowflakes getting offended over nothing.

    That's because some people here are stuck in the stone ages and don't believe they should be allowed call for better treatment or equality.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    B-D-P-- wrote: »
    Whats the reason for this claim,

    From the article its
    "women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

    That unfortunately is pretty poor reporting by the Indo

    That quote is not why the staff are walking out. The quote is added to the article and starts with "In Silicon Valley...." - it is not a quote from Google staff

    Here is some further info form other reports this morning. This walk out is about Google and how it treats staff - it has nothing to do with protesting about "being in a male-dominated workplace"
    Employees are demanding several key changes in how sexual misconduct allegations are dealt with at the firm, including a call to end forced arbitration, a move which would make it possible for victims to sue.
    It was reported last week that Google had fired 48 employees in the past two years, including 13 senior executives, as a result of sexual harassment allegations.

    The company issued a statement in response to a New York Times report detailing allegations of sexual misconduct against the creator of Google's Android software, Andy Rubin.

    Mr Rubin, who denies the allegations, received a €90m severance package in 2014, even though Google thought the allegations were credible.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

    How exactly have you managed that?

    Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

    Have a day off, OP.


    Where is the OP getting outraged and very offended?

    Am I sounding outraged and very offended now because I asked that question?

    Exactly. That is exactly how stupid it sounds.

    The OP described it as 'stupid millennial BS', called them 'snowflakes' and hoped that they'd be on the recieving end of 'disciplinary action' in a situation the OP knows absolutely f*ck all about.

    Yeah, I would say that's getting outraged. Some could call the OP a 'snowflake'.

    Nobody in this thread knows anything about what's going on in this scenario but have formed an opinion on it calling it all bull****.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,316 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

    How exactly have you managed that?

    Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

    Have a day off, OP.
    LMAO thanks for the laugh.
    Oh.. hang on.. were you serious?
    Varik wrote: »
    Anyone of the Dublin staff doing it?
    I asked someone I know at google dublin (A woman no less :p) and she hadn't heard of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,555 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Que?
    Who is worked up? I'm laughing at them over my morning coffee break. :cool:

    Well you opening statement calls them names and then goes on to you asking for them to be punished.

    So evidently you are annoyed.

    It's not really rocket science it's the English language that you deployed.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

    How exactly have you managed that?

    Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

    Have a day off, OP.
    LMAO thanks for the laugh.
    Oh.. hang on.. were you serious?

    Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

    How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    When will we learn - women have F all interest in geeky stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    If there were no women in the workplace we wouldn't have this problem











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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Here is the staff statement in full
    Time's up at Google.

    As Google workers, we were disgusted by the details of the recent New York Times article, which provided the latest example of a culture of complicity, dismissiveness, and support for perpetrators in the face of sexual harassment, misconduct, and abuse of power. Sadly, this is part of a longstanding pattern, one further amplified by systemic racism. We know this culture well. For every story in the New York Times, there are thousands more, at every level of the company. Most have not been told.

    As the recent article and the executive response make clear, these problems go all the way to the top. While Google has championed the language of diversity and inclusion, substantive actions to address systemic racism, increase equity, and stop sexual harassment have been few and far between. ENOUGH. Reassuring PR won't cut it: we need transparency, accountability, and structural change.

    On Thursday, November 1st, Google employees and contractors will walk out in protest, standing up for each other, fighting for equity, and demanding real change:

    1 - An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination for all current and future employees, along with a right for every Google worker to bring a co-worker, representative, or supporter of their choosing when meeting with HR, especially when filing a harassment claim.

    2 - A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity, for example making sure there are women of color at all levels of the organization, and accountability for not meeting this commitment. This must be accompanied by transparent data on the gender, race and ethnicity compensation gap, across both level and years of industry experience, accessible to all Google and Alphabet employees and contractors. Such data must include, but not be limited limited to: information on relative promotion rates, under-leveling at hire, the handling of leaves, and inequity in project and job ladder change opportunities. The methods by which such data was collected and the techniques by which it was analyzed and aggregated must also be transparent.

    3 - A publicly disclosed sexual harassment transparency report, including: the number of harassment claims at Google over time and by product area; the types of claims submitted; how many victims and accused have left Google; any exit packages and their worth.

    4 - A clear, uniform, globally inclusive process for reporting sexual misconduct safely and anonymously. The process today (i.e. go/saysomething) is not working, in no small part because HRs' performance is assessed by senior management and directors, forcing them to put management's interests ahead of employees reporting harassment and discrimination. The improved process should also be accessible to all: full-time employees, temporary employees, vendors, and contractors alike. Accountability, safety and an ability to report unsafe working conditions should not be dictated by employment status.

    5 - Elevate the Chief Diversity Officer to answer directly to the CEO and make recommendations directly to the Board of Directors. In addition, appoint an Employee Representative to the Board. Both the CDO and the Employee Representative should help allocate permanent resources for demands 1-4 and other equity efforts, ensure accountability to these demands, and suggest propose changes when equity goals are not met.


    WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

    For every story in the New York Times, there are thousands more, at every level of the company. Many have not been told. We are part of a growing movement, and we are not going to stand for this anymore.

    WHY ARE CONTRACT WORKERS INCLUDED IN THE DEMANDS?

    Many temps, vendors, and contractors (TVCs) are doing business-critical work without the benefits or recognition, and several do so in the hopes of being able to convert to full-time employment. Coming forward with sexual harassment concerns or other HR complaints (salary/recognition) can significantly jeopardize conversion opportunities, let alone continued employment as a TVC. Remember, TVCs are paid hourly, have very limited benefits, and likely make significantly less than their FTE counterparts.

    The power structure that inherently diminishes TVCs is rooted in the same foundation of inequality. If we want real change, we have to take action together.

    WHY ARE PRIVILEGED GOOGLE WORKERS WALKING OUT?

    This is part of a growing movement, not just in tech, but across the country, including teachers, fast food workers, and others who are using their strength in numbers to make real change. We know that it can be more difficult for other workers to stand up which is why we stand in solidarity with the temporary and contract workers here at Google, but we encourage everyone who feels this injustice to take collective action.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    B-D-P-- wrote: »
    Whats the reason for this claim,

    From the article its
    "women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

    You live in a male dominated world of IT.

    In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
    So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
    Yes I said Ducking :P

    Statistically speaking men are more into working with there their hands and things, whereas a women are more people orientated. Can be backed up fairly easily.

    So here in Ireland mechanics are predominantly men whereas teaches are predominantly women. The average across Europe for male teachers in 38%


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,697 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Just dock their pay for the time spent away from their desks.
    Ignore everything else as much as possible.

    Confrontation is oxygen to these muppets.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,073 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    PC Babies will cry about anything


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    'murica, in essence.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Just dock their pay for the time spent away from their desks.
    Ignore everything else as much as possible.

    Confrontation is oxygen to these muppets.

    Snowflake


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,316 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

    How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?
    How have you formed an opinion about what I think?
    You've decided I'm angry (which I am not) so I'm sure you can answer how I decide to form opinions too


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Snowflake


    I'm trying to get a bit of traction around the term "hailstones", in keeping with the atmospheric-moisture-based insults.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Google's likely response? Promise to address the issue while they gradually relocate to parts of the world where this is less likely to happen.

    Call me a cynic but you don't dare mess with the bottom line of money making entities like Google. They can go where they like and there are probably many places where they will be welcomed and have their needs adequately accommodated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭harr


    This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
    Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
    So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
    They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
    The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,316 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    harr wrote: »
    This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
    Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
    So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
    They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
    The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.
    See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

    Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

    If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Faugheen wrote: »
    Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

    How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?
    How have you formed an opinion about what I think?
    You've decided I'm angry (which I am not) so I'm sure you can answer how I decide to form opinions too

    Answer my question.

    How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

    If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,316 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Faugheen wrote: »
    This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

    Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

    If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.


    This isn't on the internet, it's on the world wide web.


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Answer my question.

    How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

    If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.


    I have answered your question already but I shall assume you are, as you so delicately put it, "somebody whose a little bit clueless" [sic].


    To expand an answer, how do you know I know nothing about it. I read an article which gives the reason behind the action. I also know staff at google who I asked about it - and the woman who replied didnt know about it. What else do I need to know, given I have the reason and the inside opinion.


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