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Catholic sacraments to become optional in schools?

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  • #32
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Yet another Ireland = bad. I hope all these twats learn some day what they're taking from us all in an effort to look modern on Twitter.


  • #33
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Lets keep the sacraments holy for genuine Catholics .
    I prayed the holy rosary with my children everyday until they left home,
    I still pray it everyday, faith is a gift and should be treated as such.

    feck off you arsonist!
    Whole town up in smoke at the end!


  • #34
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    buckwheat wrote: »
    https://jrnl.ie/4635169

    About time imo.
    They already are in reality.


  • #35
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    slavetothegrind wrote: »
    feck off you arsonist!
    Whole town up in smoke at the end!

    I've no idea what you mean


  • #36
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    I never had to do any sacrements when I was going to primary school. Got exempted. How is this anything new?
    Beats me.

    Maybe some schools were difficult about it. I think that is the principle in that case.

    I never did them or any religion.


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  • #37
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I've no idea what you mean

    AH you choose to forget how you ended things!

    The little house on the prairie ending?

    Only having the craic with you ....:D


  • #38
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It must be a total shock for parents who enrolled their children in a Catholic School to have that forced on them


    It couldn't be. It's been talked about for quite some time. State schools should be free from religious indoctrination. If you want a child to undergo religious teaching then private religious schools are for you.


  • #39
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Mixed feelings on this.. obviously the whole thing is a load of nonsense. But still want the kids to make their communion and confirmation with their buddies and get a nice day out, few quid then forget all about it.


  • #40
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    MrFresh wrote: »
    It couldn't be. It's been talked about for quite some time. State schools should be free from religious indoctrination. If you want a child to undergo religious teaching then private religious schools are for you.

    Aye but the are not state schools

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #41
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    MrFresh wrote: »
    It couldn't be. It's been talked about for quite some time. State schools should be free from religious indoctrination. If you want a child to undergo religious teaching then private religious schools are for you.


    Most of the schools in Ireland are private religious schools owned by religious organisations who receive funding from Government to provide education as mandated by the national curriculum. Those private religious schools who choose to provide only religious education receive no funding from Government.

    There are only a handful of State schools in the country of which the Minister for Education is the patron. They’re certainly not free of religious indoctrination as that appears to be the type of education the parents who enrol their children in those schools want for their children. It’s also worth noting too that parents are not obligated to enrol their children in a school which is in conflict with their values, beliefs or world views. The Irish Constitution is pretty specific about that, yet I constantly hear from parents that they are being “forced” to enrol their children in Catholic schools and being “forced” to have their children participate in the sacraments.

    I’m attending my Godson’s FHC this weekend, both his parents are vehement anti-theists. I don’t bother asking what that’s about tbh.


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  • #42
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    I think of you don't want your children learning the Catholic faith, maybe don't send them to a Catholic school.


  • #43
    eviltwin
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    SoundsRight wrote: »
    I think of you don't want your children learning the Catholic faith, maybe don't send them to a Catholic school.

    It's not that easy. 90% of schools are catholic.


  • #44
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Dick Swiveller II wrote: »
    And?

    And what?


  • #45
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,659 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's not that easy. 90% of schools are catholic.

    So if you want a different type, get off your butt and set it up.


  • #46
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Peatys wrote: »
    Mixed feelings on this.. obviously the whole thing is a load of nonsense. But still want the kids to make their communion and confirmation with their buddies and get a nice day out, few quid then forget all about it.
    It's a load of nonsense but you want your kids to have a nice day out and make a few quid?

    No wonder hypocrisy and two-facedness are national traits when this is how children are reared.


  • #47
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's not that easy. 90% of schools are catholic.


    Now see that for me, is people making excuses. 90% of schools wouldn’t be Catholic now if people who were children 40 and 50, hell even 20 years ago if parents decided they weren’t going to enrol their children in Catholic schools - Government would have no choice but to fund the building of State schools and we wouldn’t be messing around with divestment now which in reality is going nowhere.

    It’s a joke, and the Church Hierarchy know it’s a joke, and politicians and many stakeholders involved know it’s a joke, yet the idiots in the Irish Times and the Journal are practically creaming themselves every time they can publish a story about the supposed “decline” of the Catholic Church in Ireland, because they know it’ll be lapped up on social media. Meanwhile on the ground in reality, nothing actually changes.


  • #48
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    We wouldn't have a school system in this country if it wasn't for the Catholic church in this country people seem to forget that.


  • #49
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,834 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    So if you want a different type, get off your butt and set it up.

    How do I set up a new school in an area where there is no population growth to sustain a new school?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #50
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    We wouldn't have a school system in this country if it wasn't for the Catholic church in this country people seem to forget that.


    We would of course, it just wouldn’t be dominated by the Catholic Church.

    Someone wasn’t paying attention in history class :rolleyes:


  • #51
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,834 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    We wouldn't have a school system in this country if it wasn't for the Catholic church in this country people seem to forget that.

    That's also BS.

    Why do you think they are called "National Schools"?

    Life ain't always empty.



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  • #52
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    How do I set up a new school in an area where there is no population growth to sustain a new school?

    This is the problem. Schools are often crying out for pupils, there is no hope of getting an additional school in an area where no need for one exists.

    And when you do there is the possibility of having numbers restricted as happened to the ET in Trim where they had to reduce the number of new pupils so as not to impact on the local catholic school.


  • #53
    amcalester
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Lets keep the sacraments holy for genuine Catholics .
    I prayed the holy rosary with my children everyday until they left home,
    I still pray it everyday, faith is a gift and should be treated as such.

    Is that why they left?


  • #54
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    So if you want a different type, get off your butt and set it up.

    Puerile


  • #55
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I think what’s likely to happen in this country and what’s going to cause a massive upheaval in education is homeschooling. It’s already becoming popular and is only going to become more popular as parents decide to hire private tutors to teach their children rather than having them enrolled in formal education.


  • #56
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    I wonder if I went to a Chinese restaurant and complained about them serving me all this Chinese food, would the chef prepare me some Irish cuisine? Of course not. I'd be asked to leave.

    Same should be said to any parent pushing for this nonsense in a Catholic school. I pity those kids whos parents put virtue signalling ahead of their child's education.


  • #57
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    Still a huge population of catholics here though, who wouldn't stray from form despite not seeing mass from one funeral to a christening.


  • #58
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,720 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Lets keep the sacraments holy for genuine Catholics .
    I prayed the holy rosary with my children everyday until they left home,
    I still pray it everyday, faith is a gift and should be treated as such.

    Bet they were counting down the days before leaving.


  • #59
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    I wonder if I went to a Chinese restaurant and complained about them serving me all this Chinese food, would the chef prepare me some Irish cuisine? Of course not. I'd be asked to leave.

    Same should be said to any parent pushing for this nonsense in a Catholic school. I pity those kids whos parents put virtue signalling ahead of their child's education.

    Fair enough if there is choice but sometimes all there is is "chinese restaurants" within range.


  • #60
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    I wonder if I went to a Chinese restaurant and complained about them serving me all this Chinese food, would the chef prepare me some Irish cuisine? Of course not. I'd be asked to leave.

    Same should be said to any parent pushing for this nonsense in a Catholic school. I pity those kids whos parents put virtue signalling ahead of their child's education.

    Might have a point if all those Catholic schools were self funded, like a Chinese restaurant would be.


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  • #61
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    It's a load of nonsense but you want your kids to have a nice day out and make a few quid?

    No wonder hypocrisy and two-facedness are national traits when this is how children are reared.

    You're welcome. Nice to know i have such an impact.


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