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How bad or good is alcohol for society

  • 14-06-2019 8:23pm
    #1
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭


    Just getting peoples opinions really

    This is not an alcohol pro or anti thread

    I am doing a lot of reading about the pros and cons. The alarming thing really is that I didn't realise alcohol is the biggest killer of any drug by a long shot. Is it cos its readily available and ingrained in society or is it really worse. I know the arguments are there for its social and people enjoy it but will the same attitude exist in 50 - 100 years? Why is alcohol the only legal drug that isnt forced to list side effects etc., why did the alcohol industry find the warning labels so much when its fact it is cancerous.
    I do wonder is the alcohol the new smoking, as in people couldn't comprehend cigarettes downfall over the last 50 years when previously it was social and cool.

    Just looking for opinions and not the usual boring non drinkers or alcoholic bashing


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Friendly Nazi wrote: »
    It causes harm but on the other hand, no one would ever get laid without it. So yeah.

    Haha


  • #3
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Could be better than the alternative if the alternative is cocaine. If the alternative is mad sex then it's worse. Drinking is really just a way of passing time.


  • #4
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Alcohol like so many other ''evils'' of the world doesn't become a problem until the wrong person gets there hands on it and abuses it!


  • #5
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Could be better than the alternative if the alternative is cocaine. If the alternative is mad sex then it's worse. Drinking is really just a way of passing time.

    Yeah, comes in handy when I’m stuck in traffic.


  • #6
    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    Having worked in the industry for more years than I should have, it's a curse of a drug that ruins life's all over the country, if it was banned tomorrow, I would rejoice.


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  • #7
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    simpsons-alcohol-cause-solution-all-of-lifes-problems.gif


  • #8
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Snotty wrote: »
    Having worked in the industry for more years than I should have, it's a curse of a drug that ruins life's all over the country, if it was banned tomorrow, I would rejoice.

    I’d sAy your great crack


  • #9
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,837 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In all risks mortalities studies moderate drinkers have the best outcomes.

    Don't just look at the stats on cancer look at strokes and heart attacks also. You will notice the anti alcohol lobby don't.

    So I think alcohol can be good for society ... with the right attitude.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #10
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,204 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's the cause of and solution to, life's problems.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • #11
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    I’d sAy your great crack

    Ah was waiting for it. We've definitely been conditioned to only associate alcohol with fun. Don't know how children have far more fun than us without any desire for a drug.

    Been reading a lot of unconscious conditioning that begins in early childhood. The wheel keeps turning as this generation had been conditioned to thinking drinking is an adult fun thing cos they see their parents doing it, the cycle continues until the chain is broke

    Society needs a replacement social scene


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  • #12
    specky4eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭specky4eyes


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    I’d sAy your great crack


    I'd say he's a little wiser than you. BTW I'm having a pint now, I can't say I'm enjoying it, I need it, big difference.


  • #13
    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    In all risks mortalities studies moderate drinkers have the best outcomes.

    Don't just look at the stats on cancer look at strokes and heart attacks also. You will notice the anti alcohol lobby don't.

    So I think alcohol can be good for society ... with the right attitude.

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2017/04/01/what-causes-heart-disease-part-xxix/


  • #14
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I like it. Its good. Its a stress reliever.


  • #15
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Non drinkers are the worst to employ

    Way more likely to develop mental problems while they are working for you

    Way more likely to take time off over minor things, injuries etc


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Non drinkers are the worst to employ

    Way more likely to develop mental problems while they are working for you

    Way more likely to take time off over minor things, injuries etc

    Did you mean drinkers or was this a sarcastic message


  • #17
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Non drinkers are the worst to employ

    Way more likely to develop mental problems while they are working for you

    Way more likely to take time off over minor things, injuries etc

    I know I'm the worst! :eek:

    I break a nail TWO WEEKS OFF!


  • #18
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    I’d sAy your great crack

    Ah was waiting for it. We've definitely been conditioned to only associate alcohol with fun. Don't know how children have far more fun than us without any desire for a drug.

    Been reading a lot of unconscious conditioning that begins in early childhood. The wheel keeps turning as this generation had been conditioned to thinking drinking is an adult fun thing cos they see their parents doing it, the cycle continues until the chain is broke

    Society needs a replacement social scene

    More an alternative to the social scene than a replacement.

    The problems start when people can't differentiate between socialising and drinking.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #19
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    It's fine. People who abuse it are bad for society, not alcohol.

    PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.


  • #20
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Alcohol is actually a poison to the body. Doesn't stop us guzzling it though.


  • #21
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    It's fine. People who abuse it are bad for society, not alcohol.

    PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    Well given the huge rates of regular binge drinking in Ireland (over 8 units in a single session for men and over 6 units per women ) , and the mess left behind on our main streets every Monday morning, that's a lot of people you are attempting to label there.

    Also, you don't know much about addiction if you believe that.


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  • #22
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Alcohol is actually a poison to the body. Doesn't stop us guzzling it though.

    Your body has tools specifically to deal with it

    Unless you are one of the percentage of Asian people who don't and suffer " Asian Flush "


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    It's fine. People who abuse it are bad for society, not alcohol.

    PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    I look at this point very differently. Some people have a better tolerance to drugs than others, I have seen people drinking normal for years only to seriously slip deeper and deeper into alcoholism in their 40s and 50s and end up in serious problems and mental issues

    The fact that a healthy lifestyle just isnt compatible with alcohol says a lot. Ask anyone who exercises regularly who gets their BMI weight to the norm how drink affects them compared with the unhealthy beer belly drinker.

    My experience is years back when I had about 10kg extra weight i could drink a lot more and not have it really affect me bad but it would be the usual crap food the next day. Since I am exercising and running, eating healthy and 10 kg lighter I can't handle a fraction of what I could before and I would be in bits the next day. I think it's a sign as a 10kg heavier drinker that my body was totally unhealthy and used to abuse, as a healthier 10kg lighter drinker my body outright rejected the poison


  • #24
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Your body has tools specifically to deal with it

    as with most poisons up to a certain quantity / concentration.


  • #25
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »
    as with most poisons up to a certain quantity / concentration.

    Drink enough water and you'll die from hypotrenemia


  • #26
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Well given the huge rates of regular binge drinking in Ireland (over 8 units in a single session for men and over 6 units per women ) , and the mess left behind on our main streets every Monday morning, that's a lot of people you are attempting to label there.

    Also, you don't know much about addiction if you believe that.

    If it is a lot of people then that's their problem and they're the ones that need to be targeted. Alcohol isn't the problem when so many can enjoy it responsibly.

    If someone is abusing drink then **** them. If they're causing problems for others then stop them. Some people are the biggest issue in that, not what they're drinking. All this rubbish is just another bull**** rejection of anything that "used to be done" here in an effort to look ever so modern and progressive.


  • #27
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    If it is a lot of people then that's their problem and they're the ones that need to be targeted.

    Well actually it's also the taxpayers problem, big time. From health to crime.


  • #28
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Well actually it's also the taxpayers problem, big time. From health to crime.

    Then cut them off. Punish the people causing the problem, not the ones who don't cause one.

    Personal responsibility.


  • #29
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Then cut them off. Punish the people causing the problem, not the ones who don't cause one.

    How do you propose to do that ?


  • #30
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Well actually it's also the taxpayers problem, big time. From health to crime.



    Alcohol excise contributes €1.2 billion to the exchequer.


    As you know the HSE/ALwhateverthef**k ate grossly ineffiexient and wasteful


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Drink enough water and you'll die from hypotrenemia

    It's funny you could guzzle 10 pints in a few hours but try guzzling 10 pints of anything else and youd seriously struggle.

    Alcohol is a genius drug. If alcohol is so acceptable and good for you then why do the drinks industry pay so much advertising it. Its thought when some of the stupid ads are dismissed by people as stupid that the unconscious stores it differently

    There was a movement to a new exercise and outdoor activity society during the recession but the pubs left are getting busy again.

    I do wonder when the same people drink 5-7 days a week from say 5 -9 in the evening, are they depressed, bored or just hate their lives that they don't want to be at home


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