http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/2014.WG.Report.pdf/Files/2014.WG.Report.pdf

Department of Justice and Equality /
An Garda Síochána
Working Group on Review of Firearms
Licensing November 2014


It s time to get political!!!

Sorry to harp on, but the whole following section says to me:

"We hoped the 1800 handgun owners would give them up, but since 1076 + 590 handguns are still licensed, that didn't work, so we need this new legislation we reserved for ourselves in 2009"


During 2012 and 2013, the Gardaí have reported to DOJE on public safety
concerns connected to certain firearms. In the initial report of the Garda
Commissioner, recommendations were put forward in relation to short
firearms. In this report, reference is made to the then Minister for Justice in
November 2008 proposing that he will “keep under review….the outcome of
the licensing procedure and, if the outcome of that procedure leaves a
situation which still poses an unacceptable risk to the community, will use new
powers which the Bill will contain to ban outright any type of firearm”.
Following on from the commitment made in 2008, the Criminal Justice
(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 Act included Section 27, inserting a new
Section 2C into the 1925 Act. This provided that the Minister may, in the
interests of public safety and security, by order declare specified firearms to
be prohibited.
The Garda Commissioner has recommended to the Secretary General of the
Department a prohibition on the licensing of certain handguns. An Garda
Síochána have also recommended in the interests of public safety that semiautomatic
centre-fire rifles and semi-automatic shotguns (capable of holding
more than 3 rounds) are firearms that should no longer be licensable in the
State.
Statistical information from An Garda Síochána states that as of the 28th of
March 2014 the total number of non restricted handguns licensed was 1,076
and the total number of restricted handguns licensed was 590.

Ouch

Just got my own .22 pistol licence recently too, probably one of the last ever issued here:pac: I'll enjoy it while I have it anyway :pac:

Tea drinker wrote: »

yeah I heard on the radio this evening some working group has come out with a recommendation to ban handuns and only allow specicly Olympic pistols. Also under attack are semi auto shotties, semi auto rifles.

I reckon there's something for everyone there and those who foolishly thought the problems were only going to remain on the pistol side are shown for naivety and self interest.
So I think that adequately explains missing Annex etc. remember, if they change something in Ireland it's
a) bad
b) going to cost you money

We really have to stick together on this one.

These are only recommendations.

Some of the recommendations are put there to provoke concern and be repealed - e.g. every semi/pump shotgun is mentioned - they are hoping to divide shooters.

See a lot of stuff in the report that's been in thejournal.ie and other media recently - followed by radio reports today.

The sophisticated media management tells me there is political will behind this.

Fulminating, spewing brimstone, claiming victimhood will not work here.

Reasoned argument only, please - even if it's not fully-formed.

So how do we tackle this maturely?

No point in whining, bitching or shouting n pointing out that firearms in the hands of criminals is a failure of AGS, nothing to do with private ownership. Or that an under pressure force is deflecting on to us.

If there are concerns over crime stats we need to objectively point out examples of how there is no causation between private ownership and our murder rates. Hand gun ownership per capita in Northern Ireland is similar if not higher to here I imagine, are the hand gun murder rates the same?

What about the UK, these firearms are banned there, I'm guessing there are still gangland murders with handguns?

Just when I thought thing were getting better with appeals being granted they come out with this. This is bad news.

This "designed for olympic competition" ruse is a joke. Its like telling someone with an interest in cycling they can only use an ultra expensive olympic standard bicycle.

As if every shooter has and should have an interest and ultimate goal in being an olympic competitor. Utter nonsense.

Heckler wrote: »

Just when I thought thing were getting better with appeals being granted they come out with this. This is bad news.

This "designed for olympic competition" ruse is a joke. Its like telling someone with an interest in cycling they can only use an ultra expensive olympic standard bicycle.

As if every shooter has and should have an interest and ultimate goal in being an olympic competitor. Utter nonsense.

How many people are dying being injured thru participating in cycling vs those in legitimate shooting sports? Not an attack on cyclists, it's a healthy sport I recently started to enjoy again, but lets come out from the shadows and compare our sport to others. We shouldn't be shunned because there is potential danger in our sport, every active sport from walking/hillwalking to motor racing and flying has a danger element. Responsible sporting use, by responsible sportsmen should not be attacked.

Tea drinker wrote: »

We shouldn't be shunned because there is potential danger in our sport, every active sport from walking/hillwalking to motor racing and flying has a danger element. Responsible sporting use, by responsible sportsmen should not be attacked.

You've hit something there.


We need to identify ourselves as PART of the public.

This is where we start IMHO and build everything from there.

Just reading thru some of the other countries laws specifically Germany.I really love the way they have reduced Germanys gun law down to a half page and then concentrated on "assault weapons" [yet again...In fact this whole description is UTTER BULLSHT! The fact is that semi auto rifles are the fastest ,still growing sales niche in the German gun industry.They dont mention the hunting lisvense and the fact you can own unlimited long guns or what you need to do to become a sports shooter.

Well, at least they have now nailed their colours firmly to their mast and have stated in writing in this that we the people are NOT TO BE TRUSTED and are considerd a public danger to the state and AGS. This is what our current and previous govts have thought of us..WE, not the criminals or subversives are the danger....Nice to know.

What to do..Well ,much as I feared the time has now come to become political on this matter.We need to bury amongst ourselves ALL petty differences,we are now gunowners first,whatever disiplines second.There is NO MORE excuses or time for the "Fk you I'm alright Jack.I've got my double barrel and bolt action so they wont touch me."
READ the bit about the Supers being given power to decide on your liscense by how much crime is in your district on that idea.You could be living in the best area of Dublin and a spate of break ins could suddenly give your super a reason to refuse your Purdiys liscense due to the "high crime" in your area.

We need to be lobbying our TDs and ministers and encourage them to attend the breifing in Buswellls hotel on Nov 20th in Dublin.[Literally a week away].
In short they need to be told if this goes thru it will have devastating consequences for shooting in Ireland and for any of their election hopes come 2016 or sooner. Would suggest also that we see about starting the "Email blizzard" that we used once before so successfully here on boards when there was an increase on fees on the way many years ago.

JUST IN
The NARGC email on this. stating pretty much the same thing I said about lobbying your TDs especially FG !!!
We now have a WAR on our hands people...Want to keep your sport...Get off your Ass and fight for it!!
Grizzly 45.

Hey Sparks ? Cass

Your gone very quiet ? can we replay your comments now ?

Did the NASRPC and the NARGC not send out notification that this was happening up to about 10 months ago ?

Did we not say Pistols/Semi CF rifles and Shotguns over 3 rounds were up for the chop? were we correct ?

Did you not tell us bold children to be quiet that we were scaring everyone ? were we right ?

I look forward to reading the apology.

yubabill1 wrote: »

This kind of thing does no-one any good, lad.

We are in a fight, now. And we are in it together.

I know it's a stupid platitude, but together, we are stronger.

ill second that,
i think the " i told you so" line just shows imaturity

Can't wait for tomorrow's papers - seemingly the whole thing is under discussion; funny, I read somewhere in the report tonight that they had NOT informed the shooting organisations of today's proposals.

nice picture of a revolver...

http://www.thejournal.ie/gun-control-restrictions-1779301-Nov2014/

First off.............. SIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH!!

When I first read the Commissioners Guidelines my heart dropped, and now having read the Firearms Policy Review, quite frankly, I cannot begin to describe how disheartening it was.

I truly believe that no amount of lobbying, emailing or disquiet will get us as a collective anywhere, AGS have decided that, on foot of the flood of HC decisions, they don't want firearms licensed in the ROI

IMHO, through the legislature, first they will revoke CF Pistol licences and ban them.... Ban "high capacity" shotguns, .22lr Pistols and Semi-Auto CF rifles....
Then through the mechanism of discretion refuse licenses and renewals based on rising crime levels

I have previously licensed 3 firearms, but unfortunately had to forgo my sport for a few years. I finally reached a position where I could take it up again, I will be purchasing a shotgun in the coming weeks, with a view to picking up a CF rifle for foxing and eventually a CF for Deer, this was my hope, one I'm beginning to think I will never realise as imo I am being "criminalised" before ever having broken a law.

I don't believe that the pettiness I have seen in the various interest groups will be put aside, even on foot of the publication of these two new documents, and somebody(pistol owners) will be thrown under the bus, if and I mean IF, the shooting bodies are actually consulted about this policy review....

And that will be the first group that will be sacrificed as ever infringing measures are introduced by AGS/DOJ to counteract the one and only truth, AGS/DOJ are powerless to prevent Unlawful acts committed by criminals in this country, plain and simple, they have gone for the soft target, the ones that make headlines and make up for the fact that there is a spiralling gangland problem in this country that they, through under resourcing AGS are powerless to counteract!!

As a soon to be member of the shooting community I would call upon the governing bodies of all disciplines, IF THERE ARE ANY ON THIS BOARD TO PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH CAREFULLY,

Do not act in your own interests, act in the interest of every firearm owner, every aspiring hunter and target shooter across all disciplines, whether for recreation or competition. This is quite simply an attack by AGS on firearms owners AS A WHOLE, this is no time for parish pump politics.

I feel the above post may have been a waste of time I really and truly hope it was not.

**has anyone got a link so the emailing can begin? for respective TDs? Can questions be put forward by us, ordinary firearms owners through TDs?