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Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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  • #32
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    upandcumming wrote: »
    What station was that on?

    Newtalk after 9 am.

    Lectured everyone but young women. Unchallenged too.


  • #33
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    NAGDEFI wrote: »

    A world war could be going on and the talk in the Irish bunker would be the Belfast Rape Trial.

    By this logic, we have protests about this trial, but no protests about actual crimes against women elsewhere. Madness innit?


  • #34
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Uncharted wrote: »
    This thread in a nutshell..... ignore the ruling. Mob man hater mentality. Pitiful ignorance of the law and democracy!

    I'm not ignoring any rulings, I just think they behaved like absolute scumbags and should deservedly suffer the consequences of this. Polls have demonstrated that most people agree with me.

    Mob man hater mentality? Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. Personally I'm more astounded that people don't see anything wrong with their behavior and think they should just pick up where they left off. That's fcuked up.


  • #35
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'm not ignoring any rulings, I just think they behaved like absolute scumbags and should deservedly suffer the consequences of this. Polls have demonstrated that most people agree with me.

    Mob man hater mentality? Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. Personally I'm more astounded that people don't see anything wrong with their behavior and think they should just pick up where they left off. That's fcuked up.

    I still don't see where they behaved like absolute scumbags? Like are we placing them in the same bracket as petty criminals that have hundreds of convictions, still roaming the streets? Or harassing people?


  • #36
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.

    A relative was in a shop in town this week and Bill Clinton arrived in, the women in the shop were literally gasping for a few crumbs from him.

    He was a married man when he had oral sex with someone much younger, what in Gods name is wrong with what went on in that madhouse in Belfast.

    Three drunk young people got into a bed to have hankypanky. A fourth person Dara Florence opened the door, she was invited to join in but it wasnt her cup of tea. No one pressurised her in anyway even though two of the people in the bed are supposed to have terrorised a woman. Another man opens the door and he is invited to join in and he literally jumps at the opportunity.

    The next day various texts are sent in reply to a pal asking how the night went. Another pal sends a video of a porn clip, we know the vast majority of young men use porn and presumably send bits they like to their pals, its totally legal porn so thats nobodys business except the person sending it and those receiving it.

    What am I missing ?


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  • #37
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    Not half as bored to death as people are about the metoo movement and all that other rubbish thats prefixed with a hashtag.

    You're exaggerating the importance of these online groups and also insulting the irish people.

    Irish adults are able to judge a case on its merits. They don't pause to think 'oh what would this hashtag group do here?'. As if 2/3 of the irish people not wanting the boys playing for their country could be attributed to hashtag groups. Half the percentage men? Get real. Complete fantasy that the hastag groups control irish opinion. If you believe that..


  • #38
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Grayson wrote: »
    I'm sure that's completely accurate. I'm sure she spent most of her time saying men are bad. Do you happen to have a transcript?

    She lectured everyone involved bar the young women.
    She then ended by basicall saying - of course these men are not guilty but they must pay a price for their behaviour. The implication being 'the price' is their careers in Irish rugby.


  • #39
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    You're exaggerating the importance of these online groups and also insulting the irish people.

    Irish adults are able to judge a case on its merits. They don't pause to think 'oh what would this hashtag group do here?'. As if 2/3 of the irish people not wanting the boys playing for their country could be attributed to hashtag groups. Half the percentage men? Get real. Complete fantasy that the hastag groups control irish opinion. If you believe that..


    Any Irish adults who are protesting about the jury decision in this case and maintaining innocent people cant go back to where their lives left off are not judging this case on its merits.


  • #40
    terryduff12
    Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Any chance of a pm of them Whatsapp messages.


  • #41
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Grayson wrote: »
    Faugheen wrote: »
    People here talk about the 'frenzied mob' and what have you.

    Yet if anyone suggests that sponsors might pull out they get all defensive and almost offended themselves.

    Looking at the first page of this thread shows who's frenzied and who's action sanely.

    Does it though? In fairness Grayson, you yourself have insisted they are guilty of rape in spite of all the facts. One of many sub plots in this thread and the previous that gets more frustrating to read with every post.

    Fact is the guys were found not guilty.
    Fact is some find their private messages offensive.
    Fact is it is up to their employers to work out what to do about their future careers.

    Reality is that there will be pressure on their employers not to reinstate them. However, ask yourself is this because people believe they raped the girl or because their private messages were vile/ lewd/ offensive/ crossed a line?

    Jacko said very little and imo his apology was a PR exercise not an admission of real guilt.


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  • #42
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    Any chance of a pm of them Whatsapp messages.
    https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/full-transcript-text-messages-sent-12283375

    Real jack the lad idiots allright.

    Rapists ? nah.

    Careers should be over ? certainly not.


  • #43
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.

    A relative was in a shop in town this week and Bill Clinton arrived in, the women in the shop were literally gasping for a few crumbs from him.

    He was a married man when he had oral sex with someone much younger, what in Gods name is wrong with what went on in that madhouse in Belfast.

    Three drunk young people got into a bed to have hankypanky. A fourth person Dara Florence opened the door, she was invited to join in but it wasnt her cup of tea. No one pressurised her in anyway even though two of the people in the bed are supposed to have terrorised a woman. Another man opens the door and he is invited to join in and he literally jumps at the opportunity.

    The next day various texts are sent in reply to a pal asking how the night went. Another pal sends a video of a porn clip, we know the vast majority of young men use porn and presumably send bits they like to their pals, its totally legal porn so thats nobodys business except the person sending it and those receiving it.

    What am I missing ?

    Bill Clinton and Paddy Jackson:D:D:D Are you for real? To point out all the naivety in this post would take a year. 1990s v today, most powerful man in the world v nobody. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Are you for real??!


  • #44
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Deservedly so.

    So the accusation is enough for people to loose their livelihoods.
    Clearly people have never heard of McCarthyism or read the Scarlet Letter?


  • #45
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    tretorn wrote: »
    Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.

    What are you blathering about. He was impeached.


  • #46
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Fact is most people arent particularly shocked by anything that goes on in rugby circles, rugby after game antics have always been known not to be for the faint hearted.

    Its all legal adult consensual sex as was the threesome that Jackson and Olding participated in. The sponsors know this and so far they have been happy to be associated with it. If they disassociate now it will be because the twitter mob and the Rape Crisis Centre are demanding that they do so it will look hypocritical in the extreme. It will also piss off a lot of wealthy rugby fans who think their sexual activity is no one elses business and least of all the rape crisis centres.

    The Rape Crisis Centre need to keep their noses out of this, these men were acquitted of all rape charges so the rape crisis centre has no reason to be pontificating in anyway about their behaviour. The Rape crisis centre will lose out on funding from people who give to help genuine victims of rape, if the rape crisis centre is now going to align themselves with every rape case where men are found not guilty then the Government should cease funding them.

    We have to have respect for the rule of law and there is no point in underhandedly undermining a lawful verdict while professing that you accept the verdict.

    Morning Ireland should not have entertained that woman from the Rape Crisis Centre at all.


  • #47
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    What are you blathering about. He was impeached.

    And.

    He is completely rehabilitated and is now travelling the world and feted everywhere.


  • #48
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    Any Irish adults who are protesting about the jury decision in this case and maintaining innocent people cant go back to where their lives left off are not judging this case on its merits.

    Can you not see that a majority of irish people think Olding and Jackson were involved in a tawdry, messy happening, where a 19 year old girl left Jackson's house in distress. Language was used that was very degrading to women. Many irish people don't want these men wearing their national jersey and representing their country???

    How many times does this have to be spelt out for you week after week?

    Whether you want to see them playing with Ireland or not, to be unable or unwilling to comprehend why decent irish people don't want them representing them is unbelievable.


  • #49
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    Fact is most people arent particularly shocked by anything that goes on in rugby circles, rugby after game antics have always been known not to be for the faint hearted.

    Its all legal adult consensual sex as was the threesome that Jackson and Olding participated in. The sponsors know this and so far they have been happy to be associated with it. If they disassociate now it will be because the twitter mob and the Rape Crisis Centre are demanding that they do so it will look hypocritical in the extreme. It will also piss off a lot of wealthy rugby fans who think their sexual activity is no one elses business and least of all the rape crisis centres.

    The Rape Crisis Centre need to keep their noses out of this, these men were acquitted of all rape charges so the rape crisis centre has no reason to be pontificating in anyway about their behaviour. The Rape crisis centre will lose out on funding from people who give to help genuine victims of rape, if the rape crisis centre is now going to align themselves with every rape case where men are found not guilty then the Government should cease funding them.

    We have to have respect for the rule of law and there is no point in underhandedly undermining a lawful verdict while professing that you accept the verdict.

    Morning Ireland should not have entertained that woman from the Rape Crisis Centre at all.

    What's your vested interest here? Do you defend all non guilty rape cases or are you fixated with Paddy Jackson?

    If you really want him playing that badly from a rugby point of view you should realise that there are bigger things than rugby.


  • #50
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    Any chance of a pm of them Whatsapp messages.

    Are you looking for the whatasapp messages released yesterday, the ones with the video attached.

    I dont have them but someone on the previous thread has them, they are very juicy seemingly. Half the country is looking for them.


  • #51
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    tretorn wrote: »
    And.

    He is completely rehabilitated and is now travelling the world and feted everywhere.

    Yeah, that won't be happening with Jackson. Make your peace with it and move on.


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  • #52
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    What's your vested interest here? Do you defend all non guilty rape cases or are you fixated with Paddy Jackson?

    If you really want him playing that badly from a rugby point of view you should realise that there are bigger things than rugby.


    Anyone who is judged by their peers in a court of law is not guilty on all counts that they have been charged with.

    This is the position most sensible people take, what is the alternative, ugly shrieking on twitter, no thank you.

    Do you stick your nose into all trials where the defendents walk out innocent or is it only men who are cleared of rape charges you have a problem with.


  • #53
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    And.

    He is completely rehabilitated and is now travelling the world and feted everywhere.

    There's no comparison and to entertain you is a waste of time. You don't seem to realise that practically every French prime minister and each UK head of state has/had a mistress. Politicians having affairs, have been tolerated for millenia.

    You need to get your head around the fallout from a rape case and what individuals actually said... Bill Clinton never said one derogatory remark about women in the Lewinski case.


  • #54
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    tretorn wrote: »
    Anyone who is judged by their peers in a court of law is not guilty on all counts that they have been charged with.

    This is the position most sensible people take, what is the alternative, ugly shrieking on twitter, no thank you.

    Do you stick your nose into all trials where the defendents walk out innocent or is it only men who are cleared of rape charges you have a problem with.

    Again innocent by law but not in the eyes of many because of behaviour. Forget your twitterati bull. It's in the eyes of sponsors, the public.

    The old phrase about wise men debating with fools comes to mind with you.

    I have a problem with men who belittle and demean other human beings representing my country.


  • #55
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Yeah, that won't be happening with Jackson. Make your peace with it and move on.

    What won't be happening? His rehabilitation? If so rehabilitation from what? You seem to be taking a rather ugly pleasure from the potential fallout for PJ and the other lads.


  • #56
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    I'm going now because it only takes a few posts to say what you have to say.

    No doubt there'll be 100 more posts about, twitter and mobs, innocent men etc.

    From posters who ignore 2 key points.

    1. It's ordinary irish men and women who don't want Jackson and Olding playing. Not feminazi, hashtag groups and all their other efforts to say it's some organised clique behind it.

    2. You can be found innocent in a court of law but your language and behaviour may result in people not wanting you representing their country.

    Tretorn etc. If you don't make your point after 2 months, stop boring.


  • #57
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Innocent of all charges brought, thats all that matters when it comes to employment rights.



    The whatsapp messages that the men sent were in response to messages sent by other rugby players, if Jackson and Olding a re to be sacked for them then that means that every worker in the country should be sacked for smutty texts.

    Only an incredible stupid person and a total prude would want this scenario.


  • #58
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Seen as they weren't found guilty of anything, I can only assume you mean because of their foolish text messages? Do you judge yourself by the same standards?

    We are past the point of wondering (as if there was ever any doubt) was their behaviour acceptable or not. I think you should read Pj's apology and keep reading it every day or hour until it gets into your head that their behaviour was not acceptable. Now next on the agenda is can the general public forgive because without the backing of Mr & Mrs Joe Public they are on a hiding to nothing. it's all about cleaning up their act now. They can't do much themselves as they are learning that at the end of the day your reputation is all any of us are left with and theirs are in the gutter which is where they lowered themselves into. Sport in general could imo give them a helping hand - codes of conduct, mission statements on respect, zero tolerance and stated immediate sacking for conduct unbecoming and a very serious and public criticism of all that was wrong about what they did etc. That might help heal the revulsion out there.


  • #59
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭take everything


    tretorn wrote: »
    Because its one of the busiest threads on boards.

    Can someone PM me the juicy whatsapps.

    I need a good laugh before I go to the dentist.

    Will I get into trouble though If I open them. I suppose its not my fault if a bold person sennds them but then omg, poor Jackson got into more trouble becasue Harrison sent him juicy stuff from the internet.

    The woman in the juicy stuff may be happy to be in the threesome because she is paid for it, she is probably gorgeous and the harpies think they should tell other women not to capitalise on their good looks, the harpies are just jealous because no one would invite them to join a threesome.

    The harpies shouldnt die wondering what a threesome would be like, if they go online they could probably find a website where male escorts would do a threesome if you pay them.

    Seriously what is wrong with you.
    The Twitter mob thinking they know better than the Justice system annoy the crap out of me as much as the next reasonable person.
    But God you're as bad


  • #60
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Im pretty critical of women who go out and drink too much and then invite themselves back into house and bedroom of a well known rugby sportsman.

    I really hope the woman at the centre of this case takes care that this never happens again .

    I hope other young women who are presently partaking in threesomes with famous sportspeople now pause for a second and think about their self respect.

    I am not repulsed though about anyones right to do what they like but you cant go into the kitchen and then complain its too hot.

    Thats not rape, its regret.


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  • #61
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    tretorn wrote: »
    Anyone who is judged by their peers in a court of law is not guilty on all counts that they have been charged.
    Nobody wants them to go to prison people are just asking that they are not forced to cheer them when go to a rugby match.

    You are very much obsessed with wealth and wealthy rugby fans. Contact Ulster Rugby that you and your wealthy fans will cover any fall out from sponsors. Put your money where your mouth is.


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