Ireland's Jewish community

suicide_circus · 11-07-2019 5:40pm

donaghs wrote: »

Most fled the programs in the Russian Empire in the late 19th century.

hosted by Ray Darcy no doubt?

TheValeyard · 11-07-2019 5:40pm

donaghs wrote: »

Most fled the programs in the Russian Empire in the late 19th century. Especially from the Baltic area.

A load of them were tricked by ships Captains in Cork that they were in America, so the tickets could be sold on.

Crock Rock · 11-07-2019 5:41pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

A load of them were tricked by ships Captains in Cork that they were in America, so the tickets could be sold on.

Is that true??

:eek:

suicide_circus · 11-07-2019 5:42pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

A load of them were tricked by ships Captains in Cork that they were in America, so the tickets could be sold on.

Cobh and Ellis Island look very similar to be fair

Gimme A Pound · 11-07-2019 5:49pm

Yeah I know one from Cork (not "Jewtown"). Israeli father.

TheValeyard · 11-07-2019 5:52pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Is that true?? :eek:

No idea. But it's a story a couple of Rabbi used to tell in Dublin years back.

[Deleted User] · 11-07-2019 5:56pm

I’ve got some very good friends here in Dublin that are Jewish.

As they don’t go around talking Hebrew and wearing a kippah, though, oddly enough, people don’t often think they are Jewish.

branie2 · 11-07-2019 5:59pm

Amy Huberman is Jewish as well

gozunda · 11-07-2019 6:06pm

Thread title made me think back on all those old style jokes starting an Irishman, a Jewishman etc..

Many originated from Britain - where these groups were minorities ...

I had read an interesting article on this a while back

There Was an Englishman, An Irishman and a Jew...: Immigrants and Minorities in Britain

David Feldman
The Historical Journal
Vol. 26, No. 1 (Mar., 1983), pp. 185-199

steddyeddy · 11-07-2019 6:07pm

There's people who are also of Jewish descent whose ancestors were forced to convert due to Cromwell ect.

James Brown · 11-07-2019 6:10pm

A load a jewish folk up near me. I only know because they've a museum near by, (which my Israeli friend finds hilarious for some reason - the idea of Irish Jews) and the lad in the local xtravision, back in the day was jewish. Mind the local synagogue became a Mosque of all things. Don't forget the Israeli Mossad with fake Irish passports, but I suppose that doesn't count.

Stroke Politics · 11-07-2019 6:12pm

Went to a Jewish wedding at Castle Lesley years ago when I started dating my wife. Was great craic watching the wedding party dance up to the huppa, smashing glasses, etc. They had lamb at the reception, and lots of champagne. We still meet up with the couple when they visit Ireland, they are America based...

[Deleted User] · 11-07-2019 6:19pm

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Went to a Jewish wedding at Castle Lesley years ago when I started dating my wife. Was great craic watching the wedding party dance up to the huppa, smashing glasses, etc. They had lamb at the reception, and lots of champagne. We still meet up with the couple when they visit Ireland, they are America based...

My sister in law is Jewish. My brother thought a traditional Jewish wedding would be a good idea, because he somehow thought lots of people would pin money on the bride and groom.

Than my sister in law pointed out that Jewish people aren’t exactly famous for throwing money around and besides, he’d have to have an anesthetiser free circumcision.

That kind of ended that idea.

Hurrache · 11-07-2019 6:21pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Do you know any Jewish people?

What a weird question though. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. I couldn't care less the religion of anyone I know.

CrankyHaus wrote: »

No.They usually are descendants of people who came over fleeing earlier pogroms and general anti-semitism in Eastern Europe, especially Tsarist Russia.

I only watched a documentary series on this lately. I've read and watched a lot on this area but this was so awful I stopped and deleted the remaining episodes. Too depressing. Militant nationalists should be made watch it Clockwork Orange style only they'd probably enjoy it.

Badly Drunk Boy · 11-07-2019 6:25pm

I sorta knew a Jewish girl in my hometown years ago. I saw her a few weeks ago...still looking good.

In college, I came into contact with a few through the course I was doing. Could there have been a Jewish equivalent of a crock of gold up for grabs if I'd nabbed one of them?

Crock Rock wrote: »

So are the majority of Irish Jews of German or Central European descent who were escaping Hitler's persecution?

From Wikipedia:

The earliest reference to the Jews in Ireland was in the year 1079. The Annals of Inisfallen record "Five Jews came from over sea with gifts to Toirdelbach [Toirdelbach Ua Briain, the king of Munster], and they were sent back again over sea".[1] They were probably merchants from Normandy.

corner of hells · 11-07-2019 6:26pm

I've an Israeli born Jewish friend married to a friend of mine ,at 50 odd years she still looks amazing, also an Ethiopian Falash friend and the headbanger I'm married to is of Jewish descent.

Gloomtastic! · 11-07-2019 6:28pm

There was a good few in our year in secondary school in South Dublin, was friends with most of them. All of them have emigrated as far as I know, leaving just their parents behind, which is sad.

Consulted for a bit for a Jewish company in London, all the staff of 30-odd people, bar two or three, were Jewish. They've had to learn to stick together. Phenomenal business people. The deals that are done on the Sabbath (Saturday), when they're not allowed to cook, so all go out to Jewish restaurants together.

Have a friend here in Dublin who is forever marching on the Israeli Embassy in protest about Palestine and asks us along occasionally. We've managed to dodge her so far!

[Deleted User] · 11-07-2019 6:34pm

I find Jewish people and their history fascinating.

I mean if you're part of a group of people designated "The Chosen People", and you've been involved in many of the greatest outrages and dramas of the history of mankind, that's fairly compelling.

Hope that doesn't sound condescending. Obviously Jewish people are just ordinary human beings who live and eat and work and go to the toilet like the rest of us. What I mean is that their culture and its own internal dynamic, and their place in the world, is what's fascinating.

I have a couple of Jewish friends, but none in Ireland. This wasn't always the most hospitable of environments for the jewish population, not that many places were.

Gimme A Pound · 11-07-2019 6:35pm

Hurrache wrote: »

What a weird question though. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. I couldn't care less the religion of anyone I know.

I dunno. There is a tiny population of Jews in Ireland, so it's interesting to me and others to meet Irish Jewish folk.

Not just nationalists are anti Semitic now - if anything I find that there is a fake solidarity with Jews these days, whereby they're being used to create anti Islam feeling, by people who would have been anti Semitic in the past, or associated with hardline neo fascist types.

Hilariously, loyalists pretend to have great time for Jews.

Judging by what was revealed on BBC's Panorama last night re the British Labour Party, there is major anti semitism among far left folk. They deem Jews ultra capitalist and of course: Israel.

Lau2976 · 11-07-2019 6:38pm

My mother’s Jewish but I was raised multi-faith. I had and still have Jewish friends.

I’m the dud of the family looks wise but my sisters would be more stereotypically Jewish looking and based on the many boyfriends they had as teens men seem to like that!

Tony EH · 11-07-2019 6:39pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Do you personally know any Jews in Ireland?

I've known a few in and out of work. A couple of them were from Israel.

If you think Irish people are generally critical of Israel, you should hear what they had to say.

Woke Hogan · 11-07-2019 6:40pm

My wife is Jewish and so are my son and daughter.

The worst treatment my wife ever gets is from fellow Jewish people when they assume that she approves of the State of Israel's occupation in Palestine. She personally considers that assumption to be an act of antisemitism itself.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I did Nazi that joke coming at all.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Deleted User] · 11-07-2019 6:44pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I did Nazi that joke coming at all.

That's probably the un-funniest joke I've seen on this website in a long time, and I'm the author of a fair few in that category myself.

Mad_maxx · 11-07-2019 6:49pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I think Ross on Friends was Jewish and Jerry Seinfeld...dunno anyone else.

Yes, Ross played the " nice Jewish boy" role

As epitomised by Dustin Hoffman in the graduate

banie01 · 11-07-2019 6:54pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Do you know any Jewish people?

Why O.P?

Are you perhaps making a list?

I know of 2 local families, unfortunately after an early 20th century pogrom not too many stayed on in Limerick.
I do have a few Jewish friends, none of Irish origin.

Jews have a particular and unfortunately warranted aversion to being listed, being counted is often the 1st step in being at the least exploited.

Bannasidhe · 11-07-2019 6:57pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

No idea. But it's a story a couple of Rabbi used to tell in Dublin years back.

The other version is that when it was shouted they were in 'Cork' due to language differences many people thought it was 'New York'.

Maureen Lipman used to joke that her family ended up in Hull because they just got off the boat at the first stop having no idea of the size of the Atlantic Ocean because in Russia there weren't any oceans.

Hurrache · 11-07-2019 7:00pm

"Gimme wrote:

Judging by what was revealed on BBC's Panorama last night re the British Labour Party, there is major anti semitism among far left folk. They deem Jews ultra capitalist and of course: Israel.

One of the Jewish groups said today that Corbyn is the greatest enabler of anti semitism, or words to that effect, since WWII.

CrankyHaus · 11-07-2019 7:05pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's people who are also of Jewish descent whose ancestors were forced to convert due to Cromwell ect.

Are you sure of that?
Wasn't it Cromwell who reversed the expulsion of Jews from England, which had been implemented by a medieval King on foot of the antisemitic blood libel?

Gimme A Pound · 11-07-2019 7:08pm

Hurrache wrote: »

One of the Jewish groups said today that Corbyn is the greatest enabler of anti semitism, or words to that effect, since WWII.

Kinda looks that way. I was sceptical about it until that programme - thought it reeked of smear campaign against Corbyn just because he's critical of Israel.

Nope. Absolute full-on vile hatred. The folks in question are those who were disillusioned with Labour during the Blair/Brown years, then fervently grabbed the reins of support when a proper old school socialist got elected again.

Jewish folk involved with Labour are being driven out. It's awful.

I don't think Corbyn is pushing an anti Semitic message, but he's not doing enough to clamp down on those who are, and his friendship with hardline islamists isn't helping the situation.

Bannasidhe · 11-07-2019 7:10pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's people who are also of Jewish descent whose ancestors were forced to convert due to Cromwell ect.

...Um... not a fan of Cromwell or anything but it was during his 'reign' that Jews were officially allowed back into the UK in 1656. They had been banned in 1290 by Edward I. There were still some Jews in the UK but they pretended to be 'Spanish'.
There is zero evidence Cromwell forced them to convert to anything. Like many Protestants of the time he believed the Jews needed to convert in order for the Second Coming of Jesus but there is no evidence any were forced to convert - quite the opposite, synagogue's were allowed to operate openly and Jewish cemeteries were also opened.

Perhaps you are mixing him up with Ferdinand and Isabella?
I mean Cromwell did enough shyte without blaming him for things he never did.

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